Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

The likelihood of them both being town is rather slim, but instead it's very likely that one of them is a wolf.

In case this is not meant as you stating your opinion, but something you attribute to me, I've never said that. I just said that they are unlikely to be partners (as in scum partners).

[novice]

And here's a thing I dislike about your style in this game Logic: You seem much more interested in turning a statement back on people as fuel for an attack than in actually engaging in dialogue. You keep saying you need to reread, but don't come up with any results. At best you summarize someone's post and then make a vote that lacks any clear connection to what you just summarized.

/vent

[novice]

I am willing to switch to Manasi with a better case* see below, but I think Jabbz is more likely scum than Manasi. Jabbz can be partners with just about anyone, but I don't think the same can be said of Manasi.


So, novice: why are you voting for Manasi if you think GH is making trumped up charges against Jabbz? The likelihood of them both being town is rather slim, but instead it's very likely that one of them is a wolf. Yet instead, you are voting off on Manasi? Is this a slip?

I'm sticking with Jabbz. I think he is the best case today, and novice is back in scum-tention to me. More so than Manasi.

*As I was typing, I read the last statement by Novice

I mean, rereading this post, how do you even talk yourself out of voting Manasi during this post? You're not discussing Manasi. Everybody suspects everybody at this stage obviously, so try assessing cases based on their merits, for christ sake.

[Logic]

In case this is not meant as you stating your opinion, but something you attribute to me, I've never said that. I just said that they are unlikely to be partners (as in scum partners).

And here's a thing I dislike about your style in this game Logic: You seem much more interested in turning a statement back on people as fuel for an attack than in actually engaging in dialogue. You keep saying you need to reread, but don't come up with any results. At best you summarize someone's post and then make a vote that lacks any clear connection to what you just summarized.

/vent

Well, when you make a claim of a "trumped up charge" you are implying that as a scum sign. Or at the very least, that is how I take it. I have made multiple observations and asked questions, but some of those questions go unanswered. Now, I know I am guilty of neglecting to answer questions as well, but I am probing with what you call "attacks." I don't think what I am doing is any different that what is being done by the others (including you) at statements I have made.

As for the reread, I am giving more weight to recent statements, because of the severity if I am wrong. There are fewer people to concentrate on, and you are one of the few that is engaging. I do apologize for any feeling of attacks. That is most certainly not my intention, even if you are on the opposing team. I, like I suspect of everyone else, am probing, and reading to see signs of deception.

I do hope we can come to an understanding, and if I am irritating others with my style, I will endeavor to adjust my style of play.

[Logic]

I mean, rereading this post, how do you even talk yourself out of voting Manasi during this post? You're not discussing Manasi. Everybody suspects everybody at this stage obviously, so try assessing cases based on their merits, for christ sake.

I wasn't talking about switching to Manasi based on my own case, but on a hypothetical better case against Manasi by some other player.. This case against Manasi would have to be better than the case that has been made against Jabbz. I decided that as I was writing that, I was initially thinking Manasi was the most likely partner for Jabbz, and then I saw your post, and I determined that I thought you were looking more scummy than Manasi. Am I not clear?

[novice]

I do mean that trumping up charges is a scum sign, but I have to balance that against the rest of his game. So I am not sure that GH is a better lynch than Jabbz.

There is probably a ton of evidence going unnoticed in the thread by now, but noone seems to have much energy left for dredging that up. GH did come across as pretty energetic but used all his energy on telling us all to vote Jabbz. That's disappointing to me, especially because I've said repeatedly that I'm not very interested in lynching Jabbz, and GH has said repeatedly that he thinks I'm town.

Logic, you've been pretty engaged in the healer discussion earlier, why are you now not commenting on my reasoning around Manasi being scum? I would have thought that if anybody had an opinion on the matter it would be you.

[novice]

I wasn't talking about switching to Manasi based on my own case, but on a hypothetical better case against Manasi by some other player.. This case against Manasi would have to be better than the case that has been made against Jabbz. I decided that as I was writing that, I was initially thinking Manasi was the most likely partner for Jabbz, and then I saw your post, and I determined that I thought you were looking more scummy than Manasi. Am I not clear?

OK, see above then. What is wrong with my case on Manasi, you're just saying it's not good enough? What's so good about the case on Jabbz? In your own words.

[novice]

Actually I make the case in post 1703, and in 1705 you make a very similar argument, and in post 1709 you say that Jabbz/Manasi is your top pick for scum. So I guess you're looking for more evidence against Manasi?

I don't really have anything more, I just suspect Jabbz to a lesser degree than you, apparently.

I still think it's weird that you formulate your own case on Manasi but don't comment on my post directly above on the same subject.

[novice]

I have to say these posts by GH are pretty on point.

Logic, that entire post of yours appears like you're just throwing shade at literally everybody left in the game and keeping your options open. I don't get your conclusion of a Jabbz vote from what you wrote either, especially not from your last line in your Jabbz assessment.

Who do you think is the scumteam? Why? Who do you have as clear, or at least, closest to it?

Here's another thing I don't like though Logic, when I made that statement you just took it for what it was. You didn't further question me on it, you didn't try to feel out where I was coming from on it, you didn't really try anything like that. Instead you just leaped directly for the "okay so this guy has a 1/3 chance of lynching me before other factors", almost like you already knew I was town and instead went straight for calculating your optimal lynch choice to get me to vote with you.

[Jabbz]

I don't have the energy to fight GH's wall of text as a whole, something I'm pretty sure he was counting on when he pulled it but whatever. I will say a few things.

The reason I keep pointing these mistakes by you out is because you keep making them. Little comments, here and there.

That's not why you voted for me. You said you voted for me because I didn't post enough. Because I liked a comment instead of responding. You can't even keep your story straight at the very end.

You then say I'm lying again. This time, it's very intentional. You're a jerk for that dude. You also don't prove a lie, you just make the argument that things aren't quite like i said they were. You use the lie however because it provides some additional pathos to your argument, which is otherwise weak.

You're scum dude. You're going after someone who hasn't posted much because I'm an easy target. I'm cool with that. I'm less cool with the repeated insults. Either way, enjoy your win as scum, you only had to be a total ahole to get it.

[novice]

Hey Jabbz who is GH's partner?

[novice]

Jabbz sort of meta clears himself there. He has to be a total ahole himself to post that as scum.

[Jabbz]

I'm torn. I still don't like Champs level of activity, but I still don't see him as scum. Logic actually looks decent for it, despite my earlier thoughts on him, but that's based on how easily he accepts GH's arguments. He still has a reason that is decent, from his perspective, to assume I'm scum based on my interaction with him. Manasai? Just too hard to read. Lots of posting, little of meaning, but it mimics what I saw in the only other game I played with her. Fairly certain it isn't you, because all scum has to do at this point to win is let me swing.

If I had to throw out a ranking I'd put it town to scum:

Me

Novice (because just letting me die lets scum win, and you are the only one fighting that)

Champ (Lazy voting is bad, but not necessarily nefarious)

Logic (seems too eager to buy GH's arguments, but also has a bad view of me from other interactions)

Manasai (Lots of posting, little content, very easy place for scum to hide)

GHC (Pushing the easy lynch that he didn't push the rest of the game with any vigor. Ignoring facts to make cases that don't work with
reality.)

[Jabbz]

I don't think it matters at this point. Champ says he isn't coming back. I think it's most likely that either manasai or logic are scum. Whichever is scum isn't switching their vote. If its logic, the best we could hope for is a tie, and a coin flip to determine whether we survive. If its manasai, logic could switch but he seems tunneled on me pretty hard.

[novice]

Jabbz sort of meta clears himself there. He has to be a total ahole himself to post that as scum.

Do you agree with this, Jabbz?

[Jabbz]

I suppose, but that certainly isn't what I'm going for. That type of argument becomes WIFOM way too easy in my opinion. It would be a dick move to fake anger like that yeah.

[novice]

Vote: Logic

[Jabbz]

Vote: Logic

[Jabbz]

Mani, if you aren't scum, vote with us, though I'd rather be voting GHC, I know I'm town and voting me loses.

[novice]

Tally as of post 1758:

Lynch votes
2 votes: Logic (novice, Jabbz)
3 votes: Jabbz (Logic, GeneralHankerchief, Champ)

Voting history:

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Logic

Manasi

Jabbz

GeneralHankerchief

Jabbz

Logic

Logic

[novice]

Pretty ironic if it's Logic + GH and Champ isn't coming back after tunneling Logic for 3 days.

[Manasi]

vote: Jabbz

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's end of phase.

Stop posting!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Seven

Trainer Versus:
Pokemon League Champion Gary




Silph Co. Building (rooftop)

The intense battle between the trainer and the magnificent Gary Motherf*^&ing Oak continued atop the roof of the famous Silph Co Building.

This was it, the final battle. Neither trainer could back down now. Too much bad blood existed between them.

Gary, the Champion of Kanto, had been tormenting our humble protagonist for as long as the two of them could remember.

It was in this moment that all of that would be resolved. The bully would get his comeuppance, or be vindicated

They fought for pride, not for glory.

They fought for hate, not for titles.

They fought with sheer rage.

Gary Oak sent out Charizard, while the trainer sent out Snorlax, counting on its innate Thick Fat ability to cut all fire damage in half.

Gary Oak:

"Charizard, fire blast!"

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Snorlax is burned!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Snorlax used rest!

It began snoring loudly. The damage is healed.

Gary Oak:

"Charizard, dragon claw!!"

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A harsh blow! Snorlax has nearly fainted!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Butterfree was sent out.

It used sleep powder!

Charizard fell asleep!

Gary Oak:

"Charizard, return! Go, Gary-dos!"

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Gyarados was sent out!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Butterfree used supersonic.

Gyarados became confused!

Gary Oak:

"Gary-dos! Double team!"

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Gyarados made an illusion of itself!

Gyarados became harder to hit!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Trainer sent out Primeape!

Gyarados hurt itself in confusion!

Gary Oak:

"Gary-dos! Snap out of it. Hyper beam!!"

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It is still confused!

Gyarados hit itself in its confusion!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Primeape used karate chop!

Critical hit!

Gary Oak:

"Gary-dos! Double team again!!"

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Uh oh.... this isn't good...

Gyarados snapped out if its confusion!

. . . . .

[Askthepizzaguy]

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Primeape used Swagger!

Gyarados' attack greatly rose, but it became confused again!

Gary Oak:

"Hydro pump! Destroy that smelly ape!"

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A powerful blow!

Primeape has nearly fainted!

Gyarados is still confused!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Snorlax came back out.

It is still asleep!

Gary Oak:

"Hyper beam! Break through its defenses in one shot!"

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Gyarados used Hyper beam! A critical hit!

Snorlax has nearly fainted!

Gyarados is still confused!

Trainer:

". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."

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Trainer sent out a.... Gyarados!?! It's a one-on-four Gyarados fight!

The other Gyarados must recharge!!!

Gary Oak:

"....What!?!"

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Gyarados used roar! It forces the other trainer's pokemon to be switched out!

Gary's Charizard is now facing off against the trainer's Gyarados....

Gary Oak:

"Fine. Charizard, use Fly. Don't let him hit you with some water attack!"

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Charizard flew up high, avoiding most attacks.

Trainer:

". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."

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Gyarados used Twister!

It can hit Charizard while it is flying!

Charizard took double damage!

. . . . .

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gary's Charizard swooped down out of the sky....

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Charizard used Fly!

Critical hit!

Gyarados fainted!

Trainer sent out Butterfree!

Gary Oak:

"Fire blast!"

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A powerful blow!

Butterfree fainted!

Trainer sent out Snorlax!

Trainer:

". . . . . . ."

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Snorlax came back out.

It is still asleep!

Gary Oak:

"Earthquake!!!"

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Charizard split the earth underneath the heavy pokemon!

Snorlax fainted!

Trainer sent out Primeape!

Trainer:

". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."

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This is it! The final battle!

Will Primeape put up a respectable fight?

Gary Oak:

"Do it."

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Dragon Claw!

Primeape fainted!

Trainer:

". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."

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Novice, Primeape (evolved Mankey) [Townie] fainted!

Champ, Butterfree (evolved Caterpie) [Townie] fainted!

Logic, Gyarados (evolved Magikarp) [Townie] fainted!

Jabbz, Snorlax [Townie] fainted!




Charmanasi and General Gary-chief survived!

Team Gary wins!

MAFIA VICTORY!!!


Congrats GH, Manasi, and Csargo!


Postgame begins now! You may post!

[Logic]

Well, congratulations scum team. I sit here thinking I am a good candidate for LVP. :-/

[novice]

GG.

[Zack]

QT links?

[Logic]

Also, I bow to you novice. You had it right, at the end. No hard feelings, I hope?