Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Logic]

:C
@Logic, what do you think of what Pizza is doing, and what do you think of DP's reaction to what Pizza is doing?

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if am am more or less so than Dp.

[Logic]

S P I C Y

Why do you keep saying that?

INCORRECT!

You can't live with option 1. Bam!

Touché. I see you use my turn of a phrase against me!

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if I am more or less so than Dp.

EDIT

[Dp101]

Why do you keep saying that?

I said it a whole bunch as a wolf in a game on MU that Zack just ran, and I wanted to see how many times I could do it before I could get a reaction out of him/debated with myself if him not giving any kind of reaction was a wolf tell.

[Zack]

wait I thought you only said spicy just that once

I looked at your iso and ctrl+f, didn't see it

[Dp101]

wait I thought you only said spicy just that once

I looked at your iso and ctrl+f, didn't see it

I did it twice.

[reinoe]

Hey peeps.

VOTE: LOGIC

[Zack]

Hey peeps.

VOTE: LOGIC

hey

do i know you / is this an alt / where are you from / gh is about to vote you

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey peeps.

VOTE: LOGIC

Bam!

Reinoe gonna look good when Logic flips, if he keeps his vote on him and doesn't let go of the piece.

[Dp101]

Bam!

Reinoe gonna look good when Logic flips, if he keeps his vote on him and doesn't let go of the piece.

Quick, what does the pizza mega-analysis say about unfathomable certainty 3 hours into D1?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

[Zack]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

What do you look for to identify me as a wolf?

asking for afriend

[GeneralHankerchief]

What do you look for to identify me as a wolf?

asking for afriend

I actually remember you asking me this back in... Representative Democracy, I want to say, when I townread you there and were unsatisfied with my answer. It's kind of the same, mostly, just tone and stuff.

IIRC you were scum in that game but I feel like you wouldn't ask me the same question twice as mafia, so.

[Zack]

I actually remember you asking me this back in... Representative Democracy, I want to say, when I townread you there and were unsatisfied with my answer. It's kind of the same, mostly, just tone and stuff.

IIRC you were scum in that game but I feel like you wouldn't ask me the same question twice as mafia, so.

nah I ask it as a wolf all the time

people generally will think "wow, he's questioning a townread on him, that's so towny"

and so by "questioning" their positive view of me, I'm actually subtly reinforcing it

the more you know

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

The computer agrees with your analysis.

Solid!

[Zack]

The computer agrees with your analysis.

Solid!

eww

whatever happened to, "I can't read zack, not gonna try"

now you're handing me town points, and agreeing with someone who's saying positive things about me

are you a wolf trying to be slick?

[Askthepizzaguy]

eww

whatever happened to, "I can't read zack, not gonna try"

now you're handing me town points, and agreeing with someone who's saying positive things about me

are you a wolf trying to be slick?

INCORRECT!

You're more readable than most of the game atp. I only have like 3 names with any reads at all.

[Zack]

INCORRECT!

You're more readable than most of the game atp. I only have like 3 names with any reads at all.

Vote: Pizza

sometimes people think they can feed my ego by calling me town

they are fools

[Dp101]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Man, if I ever develop a stronger, more confident town game, I'm going to need to be prepared for endless mislynches as a result.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack and dp look okay, Zack seems really natural and flow-y and Dp seems uncomfortable so far which is pretty solidly in his town meta.

Everyone else is either null or confusing.

Yeah, dp's lock town. Take this read to the bank.

I also think it's highly likely that one or more of the people pushing him are mafia, because I literally came out and said the exact thing that Dp did w/r/t Pizza in fewer words and I'm taking ~no heat for it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I think if it was an honest push on dp, the people making it would be roping me in as well and painting us with the same brush. Since I've pretty much escaped heat for it, I think the more likely explanation is that it's a calculated push designed to go after the person more likely to be mislynched (sorry dp).

Either that or it's just a lazy read in the first place because it's not a real read to begin with.

Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Zack and Dp are still town.

(snip)

Kage, follow me onto Cuth, his vote on Dp was bad.

Nah, not really buying this.

For starters I don't think Logic is mafia, it was pretty easy to shade him in the endgame of Pokemon and I'm detecting a lot of the same stuff here.

Secondly you're putting way too much emphasis on a single scumread of yours, half of your townies are simply the people who joined your wagon for goodness sake.

Stop tunneling, spread out, and read the whole game besides your black/white dichotomy on Logic and Csargo to a lesser extent. You're better than this regardless of alignment.

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.
Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

Who are you looking at then?

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

In your experience, how often has the consensus lynch choice halfway through a D1 been correct?

And what do you mean "unfortunately?" If you're town you're not hemmed into any particular read here, you get to say what you want.

Winston, thoughts on Fred's "unfortunately"?

I mean, the interpretation/paraphrase that makes most sense to me is the following:

There are two wagons right now, Logic and Barto. I'm scumreading Barto more than Logic but am fine with either lynch. Unfortunately I'm still going to vote Logic despite my greater scumread of Logic.

It just... doesn't make sense from town? It's almost like he's trying to appease Pizza.

This is super lazy, you should vote for your biggest scumread regardless of context except for very specific exceptions.

This isn't one of them.

Town's job is to use the time available to rebalance the information equation in its favour.

Scum's job is to ensure town guesses wrong at eod.

For the town part you're generally correct, but I think you're oversimplifying the mafia's job. There's a lot more nuance to it, working on multiple levels to ensure both short and longterm success.

Luckily all I have to do is just say what's on my mind this game.

GH
Logic
El Barto
Manasi
choxorn

scumpile

@reinoe

I'm somewhere around here right now:

Zack
Kage
Monty

Dp101
reinoe
Slaan
Logic
Winston
ATPG

---town line---

Csargo
Xiahou
Cuth
Fredwood
El Barto

Choxorn
Manasi

~~~~~~
(snip)

Logic has a larger sample size than Xiahou to judge, and he's acting in line with his town meta as per the context of the game as I mentioned yesterday.

No idea about the other issue unfortunately. Just one of those things.

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

I pretty much had my big post about Choxorn already, the long story short of it is I don't think he's within his town meta.

Here's the link

With less than 30 mins to go:

Out of principle, I'm staying on Choxorn.

I mean, when have CFDs ever helped anyone. They always seem to exchange a reasonable lynch option for one that is essentially rand.

I seem to recall you being the successful target of one in Jabbz's game.

And I don't think this is something you would forget either.

Vote: Dp101

Join me.

In all seriousness he's been on the business end of CFDs at least twice, one of them directly and he still pulls out that line.

I just can't believe you'd ever actually have that thought considering your own personal track record.

VOTE DP DO IT

Chinese Fire Drill - last second lynch on someone who previously wasn't in contention, usually because you don't have a good feeling about things.

Or if somebody slips up.

Yeah.

Current self-portrait:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Good job, everyone.

Nah, I remember me being one of your towns midway through D1. Lose the roleplay and give me an honest summary.

Crow is tastier than what you were trying to serve up at end of day, you slimy scumball.

[Askthepizzaguy]

[Fredwood]

Keep checking the thread, waiting for GH. Not much that I've seen or thought has really changed my mind about my town core or my suss list. Just waiting at this point. I hesitate to give clearance for ISO walls but Monty's was a lot more in depth then the typical scum trying to ISO commentary info dump wall posts, but i don't have a reference point on what a Scum Monty ISO wall would look like, I'm sure someone will show me one before he becomes a priority.

TLDR; Monty isn't in my lynch pile, not quite town not quite null. That's the only real movement so far today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To put it another way:




This position looks a little iffy. Especially the stuff happening on the G and the H files.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay I might be able to take a look at Monty's iso in an hour or two.

Don't hammer me - it's going to be critically important to see how all of the generally unclear people react to me.

[Cuthillius]

I don't get it. I've not seen pizza play like this before. I know everything he does has a purpose, but here it feels like he is just playing by the seat if his pants. I'm confused, but I don't know if am am more or less so than Dp.

this post feels mildly discredit-y

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

[Kagemusha]

I'm bored.

Vote: Choxorn

Why? :D

[reinoe]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

Basically yeah, I'm willing to vote either here, but I think I'm leaning Logic (unfortunately)

lolok either are my top scumread, except logic is more of a thing, if you want to twist that into an agenda then feel free to do so.

Vote count:

Pizza (1): Manasi

Manasi (1): GH

Zack (1): Xiahou

Logic (5): Pizza, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

El Barto (2): Reinoe, Csargo

GH (1): Winston Hughes

Choxorn (2): Montmorency, Zack

Xiahou (1): El Barto

Not voting (1): Cuthillius,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

To everyone who's not comfortable with a logic wagon...

Let's get a Fredwood counterwagon going on right here right now. Fredwood is caught not just in a logical inconsistency, he's also been caught not even continuing to do a re-assessment of the game or push his reads.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Choxorn

Vote with one of my top suspects on the counter-wagon to my #1 suspect?

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Choxorn

Vote with one of my top suspects on the counter-wagon to my #1 suspect?

Winston can you elaborate about this vote?

[reinoe]

VOTE: FREDWOOD

I almost edited my post. That feature should be disabled in the mafia sub-forum.