Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

[Fredwood]

Keep checking the thread, waiting for GH. Not much that I've seen or thought has really changed my mind about my town core or my suss list. Just waiting at this point. I hesitate to give clearance for ISO walls but Monty's was a lot more in depth then the typical scum trying to ISO commentary info dump wall posts, but i don't have a reference point on what a Scum Monty ISO wall would look like, I'm sure someone will show me one before he becomes a priority.

TLDR; Monty isn't in my lynch pile, not quite town not quite null. That's the only real movement so far today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To put it another way:




This position looks a little iffy. Especially the stuff happening on the G and the H files.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay I might be able to take a look at Monty's iso in an hour or two.

Don't hammer me - it's going to be critically important to see how all of the generally unclear people react to me.

[Zack]

I don't think GH goes for the "lolchaos" trick twice as a wolf

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think GH goes for the "lolchaos" trick twice as a wolf

Hopefully after this game he won't do it again, too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Less lolchaos, more lolcatos.

[Xiahou]

So what do GH's contradicting statements on Dp101 say about Dp101, if anything?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hopefully after this game he won't do it again, too.

Okay real quick, because I'm tired of people misappropriating the "chaos" thing:

In Pokemon, when I did it for the first AND ONLY TIME as mafia, there was a specific reason I did it: Because the lynch was tied between Choxorn and Raith. Choxorn had been taking pressure all game and I figured he would be an easy mislynch anytime we needed one. Meanwhile, Raith's wagon came out of nowhere and seemingly for no reason that I could detect while skimming the thread at that highway rest stop. I acted; I went for the mislynch that I figured would be harder to get down the line.

Now, let's take a look at this game. Does that apply at all?

Logic was a dead man walking. Dead. He posted, what, once total, the last 48 hours of D1? If I was his partner, especially knowing he was the strongman, I would have cut my losses at some point and bussed him into oblivion. The dude wasn't doing anything and it would have been easy cred there for the taking. I kept my vote off Logic because I thought he was in his town meta, and moved it onto Choxorn.

With 30 minutes or however long to go in the round I knew Logic was dying no matter what, but when Dp made that post that was so incredibly hard for me to fathom him making considering his own past experience with CFDs I reacted.

There is literally no comparison to the two scenarios here, and I'm frankly a little insulted that you'd even think so.

[Fredwood]

Less lolchaos, more lolcatos.

[Kagemusha]

GH ​can you please share us your scum suspects?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, let's take a look at this game. Does that apply at all?

Logic was a dead man walking. Dead. He posted, what, once total, the last 48 hours of D1? If I was his partner, especially knowing he was the strongman, I would have cut my losses at some point and bussed him into oblivion.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

There is literally no comparison to the two scenarios here, and I'm frankly a little insulted that you'd even think so.

Well we can both be a little insulted that you expect me to believe what DP said amounts to a slip that makes all his town points vanish.

Also the "unfortunately" thing with Fredwood is grasping at straws.

When you flip scum, I get a lot of townies, brother man. If you don't, use the time to be more correct than me with your reads. That's all I got for you today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Incorrect!

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what do GH's contradicting statements on Dp101 say about Dp101, if anything?

So far looks to me like it means that unless your name is Zack, having a strong/lock town read won't save you from GH's end of day death whims.

(In this game, and for alignment reasons imo)

GH had just gotten through saying you should vote your top scum read and he had choxorn as scummy, and had a 'principled' vote for him.

That had a wagon that could succeed conceivably. GH also just admitted just now he didn't feel like the cfd onto dp101 would work, so:

1) He thought Logic was for sure town

2) He thought choxorn was scum and that was the most likely alternative to lynch

3) He thought dp101 was lock townie all round, and also, that cfd'ing onto him wouldn't lynch him.

And now I am expected to believe that this is the route that town GH believes would result in any kind of pro-town benefit.

In the words of Hikaru Hakamura, "Frankly, Terrible."

[Askthepizzaguy]

Incorrect!

You gave it your best shot. You tried.

The lesson is, never try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*Nakamura ofc.

No edits allowed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You gave it your best shot. You tried.

The lesson is, never try.

It's cute that you still think I'm dying today.

Anyway, I never said I thought Logic was "for sure town", I said I thought he was in his town meta.

And Dp's post/reaction was terrible. My read on him changed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's cute that you still think I'm dying today.

Vote: Generalhankerchief

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll unvote you if you post one lolcat, GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't hammer me - it's going to be critically important to see how all of the generally unclear people react to me.

Okay in all seriousness, listen to the above.

Pizza especially needs to let the thread breathe. Let me do my thing, and more importantly, let people in the Choxorn/Manasi/Xiahou/El Barto/etc bucket do theirs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay in all seriousness, listen to the above.

Pizza especially needs to let the thread breathe. Let me do my thing, and more importantly, let people in the Choxorn/Manasi/Xiahou/El Barto/etc bucket do theirs.

I'm getting impatient. No one's going to believe you when you claim doctor, so give up the ship, ye old scallywag.

[Manasi]

Guys I think GH is a villager.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Guys I think GH is a villager.

I'll let you explain it. You have the floor. Glhf

[Dp101]

Guys I think GH is a villager.

S P I C Y. Why

[Dp101]

I’m not sure how to see GH’s insistence that he’s clean. The only reason I might consider anyone other than him for the lynch today is because of Futurama, where he managed to frame himself completely as a villager. But if that was the case, I’d expect him to be very aware of how screwed he is and to be engaging with the critiques more directly. I really am having trouble figuring out what he’s thinking right now.

[Csargo]

Unvote: GH

[Askthepizzaguy]

I’m not sure how to see GH’s insistence that he’s clean.

Bluffing, stalling, anti-spew.

Wasting time and later, claims doc and some folks might even believe him. Don't.

They know we have a doc, and that's the only thing that could save his skin, and he's gonna try to claim something.

We'd be fools to buy the claim over his body of work, so don't.

[Kagemusha]

GH Old friend. You do have style, but i dont see you having a case. Is this round about you being scum or not, or do you have a better lynch in your pocket? Because if you dont, going in circles does us little good and is frankly waste of time.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote: GH

Csargo dont let him slip away. Not now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH Old friend. You do have style, but i dont see you having a case. Is this round about you being scum or not, or do you have a better lynch in your pocket? Because if you dont, going in circles does us little good and is frankly waste of time.

Yep.

When dinner is over, it's back to real work. Game's not over yet and I still have a few names I gotta explain why they're town as a legacy read.