Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're just bantering with Zack and GH at start of day 1, what the hell Slaan.

[Slaan]

Really? After I've done rereading the thread I'd probably be fine with making a 4-5 ppl list to submit and autoresolve the game with. I don't think alot of readable stuff is going to happen going forward... there won't be any grand mafia strategy anymore imo...

I mean this is my thoughts put to the extreme and we should continue talking yada yada but the way this game has gone I feel confident in having 6townies ready when I'm done and then it's just an issue of lynching it down. We can and should talk about it when ppl come up with different lists of course but that doesnt mean I can't put my list out there or am I missing something? Only thing that would change this plan is the possibility of a 3p I suppose but rules state no cult so that's unlikely.

[Slaan]

You're just bantering with Zack and GH at start of day 1, what the hell Slaan.

Enjoy ISOing me ^^. I'm off to play some witcher, will finish my reading up during the next day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Enjoy ISOing me ^^. I'm off to play some witcher, will finish my reading up during the next day.

This is why Logic screwed up by calling you town.

He really wasn't thinking about you at all. If he was defending a townie he'd have had something more than the most generic stuff ever.

[Slaan]

Before I go though.. just stumpled upon this beauty :D

[Slaan]

This is why Logic screwed up by calling you town.

He really wasn't thinking about you at all. If he was defending a townie he'd have had something more than the most generic stuff ever.

Wouldnt the same be true for his buddy? Not just throwing it out there for lulz and nothing else is bullshit no matter at who it's directed imo. He'd be more careful when it came to a mafia buddy than a towny imo... but then again I know I'm town.

[Slaan]

I'll check back in an hour in case questions come up.

[Fredwood]

Really? After I've done rereading the thread I'd probably be fine with making a 4-5 ppl list to submit and autoresolve the game with. I don't think alot of readable stuff is going to happen going forward... there won't be any grand mafia strategy anymore imo...

I mean this is my thoughts put to the extreme and we should continue talking yada yada but the way this game has gone I feel confident in having 6townies ready when I'm done and then it's just an issue of lynching it down. We can and should talk about it when ppl come up with different lists of course but that doesnt mean I can't put my list out there or am I missing something? Only thing that would change this plan is the possibility of a 3p I suppose but rules state no cult so that's unlikely.

Dunno, process maybe, I had a number of problems with it (Besides me balking at being in POE). When doing a re-read you should have probably waited until you were done with the reread to post your thoughts because right now it looksinconsistent with what you've said to this point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wouldnt the same be true for his buddy? Not just throwing it out there for lulz and nothing else is bullshit no matter at who it's directed imo. He'd be more careful when it came to a mafia buddy than a towny imo... but then again I know I'm town.

This is phrased all wrong. It's a hypothetical when you know it's not hypothetical.

[Montmorency]

This is why Logic screwed up by calling you town.

He really wasn't thinking about you at all. If he was defending a townie he'd have had something more than the most generic stuff ever.

Pizza, in your giant reads post on Slaan you said that scum Slaan would likely be hard bussing Logic D1.

But like I said what if it's mere distancing for final scum? Think about it, if GH and Zack are going in hard to defend Logic or at least divert the whole issue, what is the last scum doing?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well RIP me, this game has devolved (or from your standpoints maybe evolved :D) into meta read fun where I can hardly contribute... I mean I could read up on past games here but ngl my WIM isnt that large...

In the end I'd be down for those lynches today:
- Logic: Don't even care much for pizza's tirade against him (he just made me look at Logic again)... I find his townread towards me and subsequent defending scummy. He townread me after the shitposting early D1 without me having contributed anything... and after being questioned about it doubled down on it because I seemed like a new guy trying to fit in a new group... which is an ok read but why is this AI in the slightest from me? Seems to me like he just put together a quick readlist without having a solving mindset.
- Barto: From everything I've read it's not a slot I'd miss and I doubt I'd ever get a read on it and just sheeping the meta reads of you guys doesnt sound like fun.
- Manasi: Feels way different from the mashes we've played, less chatty and less active and overall just weird for the little bit of Manasi I know
- Choxorn: Few rather isolated pop ins with a rather scummy post townreading pizza
- Xiahou: Didnt do anything so far really, 1 post iirc

Preferred is still the Logic lynch though, in addition to imo >rand flipping scum there has been alot said about him that can help us going forward. And of those 5 I'd lynch Xiahou last obv, hope s/he can find into the game and post more :).

Hard bus after Logic was caught + 4 low langing fruits.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, in your giant reads post on Slaan you said that scum Slaan would likely be hard bussing Logic D1.

But like I said what if it's mere distancing for final scum? Think about it, if GH and Zack are going in hard to defend Logic or at least divert the whole issue, what is the last scum doing?

Yeah and he admitted it's in his playbook and his posts all read like me when I'm scum, comfortable as hell just bantering with my own partners.

His massive JAQ post I struggled and forced to read townie because that's what I wanted the outcome to be. God dammit I forced the Slaan read because I wanted to be town with him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I needed townies, and you weren't making mistakes. I can't believe this.

*bashes head against wall*

[Askthepizzaguy]

Where's the passive aggression post at Cuth. I need to find that one.

That one is like 20 JAQings in a row and I said "generically this looks scummy" and then talked myself out of it.

[Montmorency]

Yeah and he admitted it's in his playbook and his posts all read like me when I'm scum, comfortable as hell just bantering with my own partners.

His massive JAQ post I struggled and forced to read townie because that's what I wanted the outcome to be. God dammit I forced the Slaan read because I wanted to be town with him.

That wasn't exactly me agreeing on whatever is happening now with Slaan, but...

If you're about to propose POE on Slaan, then I have to look at the whole D1, can't debate this either way cold.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here it is.

... what? Do you know what my scumrange and townrange are and could you even tell what is in one and not the other? Have you read a scum game from me to make those reads? Sorry but this post feels very bad from my point of view. What do you think is underwhelming about or going in a strange direction? Who do I shade unnecessary? You linked post is me calling out Bart for apparently being Bart and playing like crap (no offence ;)), I think calling him out on it is necessary. And yes my opening is weak, I don't care for the game in RVS and I'm not looking to solve there. I try to get to know the ppl a bit so I can better remember their names going forward... Let me put this differently: Who didnt have a weak opening in the first 2 hours?

This post just feels empty despite there being many words... same as the long post about dp previously... whats up Cuth?

This post reads generically like it could be scum taking advantage of a weak/attackable post by a townie. But all of those questions also feel legitimate and I feel like this could all be normal Slaan.

What I mean another way, is that this is the kind of post I look for motive on, because if Cuth is town, that post was really attackable, and how people attack suspicious posts tells me a lot about their real process. Passive aggression is something I've been noting across games more and more as a fairly reliable generic scumtell, if passive aggression is not in the person's town playbook. Something about being scum causes people to give easier justifications for scumreading people, and they also tend to distance themselves from that suspicion. Not always, not even in the majority of cases, but they do like to make it someone else's fault that they're scum reading them and they also tend to phrase the suspicion like innocent questions or smudges as opposed to "X is a wolf for this post".

This post would fit that pattern in general of Just Asking Questions to smudge Cuthillius. But my gut is telling me to discount that, like the reasons Slaan is doing it would be more like his own personality causing him to react this way to Cuth. The specific questions on townrange/scumrange and the question on who had a strong opening in the first couple hours feel like solving questions Slaan would most likely legitimately have.

So it fits a scummy pattern in the generic sense, but I don't think the tell is reliable in this specific instance. Slaan can be scum, I haven't locked him town, but this post isn't pushing me in that direction, even though it fits stuff I tend to look for.

I don't know Slaan's range, all I remember is that he was a seemingly competent and fun town player in his champs game. That's all I got. My town is pretty full but I still don't think he's doing anything here that would lead to kicking him out, despite the List Of Questions style post.

I'll break this up so it's not a big wall, posting and continuing.

Forcing the town read against what the tell should be. Bantering with Zack and GH, first defending Logic then bussing him when it's clear I am never letting go and he could be a wagon. Passive aggression, the whole tell I used on Logic not being applied to Slaan because I've never played with Slaan and I wanted him to be town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That wasn't exactly me agreeing on whatever is happening now with Slaan, but...

If you're about to propose POE on Slaan, then I have to look at the whole D1, can't debate this either way cold.

Control+F Slaan and read the game from game start. Tell me how you feel about him when it's done.

Feelings are everything. You can talk yourself into anything.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shit.

If I died, I'd have gone to my grave with him as lock town. No one is really gonna hold him to his lynch me at f3 stuff. Anyone who would would be dead by then.

[Fredwood]

I don't know, it's an odd stance for him to take on a town Bart if he's scum. I mean I get Bart surviving to late game is good for him, but Bart isn't likely getting that far no matter what he throws out there. What does being right on a POE town read buy you?

I'll just put another thing that is bothering me is Monty in his list. He said he's a candidate for F5? The hell does that mean? It may just be my obliviousness to how many mislynches we have, just feels like a weird way to say I'm not looking to lynch him. Probably nitpicky though.

Anyway, I still think Chox or Bart is the way to go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Slaan, your ELO rating is too damn high.

Dooku, Maul, Gunray, they were all disposable.

You got sent to Champs for a reason, and it's because you're the Sith Lord.

Vote: Slaan

[Dp101]

I doctored him last night using a present I got… I switched off Pizza because it sounded like he wanted out of the game.

[Fredwood]

I don't know, it's an odd stance for him to take on a town Bart if he's scum. I mean I get Bart surviving to late game is good for him, but Bart isn't likely getting that far no matter what he throws out there. What does being right on a POE town read buy you?

I'll just put another thing that is bothering me is Monty in his list. He said he's a candidate for F5? The hell does that mean? It may just be my obliviousness to how many mislynches we have, just feels like a weird way to say I'm not looking to lynch him. Probably nitpicky though.

Anyway, I still think Chox or Bart is the way to go.

Or it could be my pocket paranoia conflicting me. SOMEONE AGREED WITH ME I MUST BE WRONG AND BEING MANIPULATED.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We'll get back to the POE and kill five townies in a row predicting failure the whole time, staring tomorrow.

Until then, Slaan.

I'm kicking you out of my town until further notice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I doctored him last night using a present I got… I switched off Pizza because it sounded like he wanted out of the game.

What did I tell you about keeping your saber up?

About the friendliness and being your best buddy.

A lesson we all could learn, apparently. I failed.

[Fredwood]

When did this game become about the prequel movies?

[Dp101]

When did this game become about the prequel movies?

Since Pizza arrived.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You will not execute order 66 on my watch.

You were too predictive of failure at start of day today to ever be towning.

I was about to log off when I saw that.

[Fredwood]

Since Pizza arrived.

But the good guys lost.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But the good guys lost.

That's because Anakin decided not to turn against Palpatine.

If he'd have stayed on Windu's side, Palpatine would have been overthrown.

Not this time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll just put another thing that is bothering me is Monty in his list. He said he's a candidate for F5? The hell does that mean?

references to f3 I get, don't lynch until christmas because they look townie.

I don't know why specifically f5 should be referenced by a townie. f5 just seems to be planning out mislynches.

If you believe in the POE you think the game should realistically be over before then.

In the words of Ben Finegold, it's not knight f5. It's "Knife f5".