Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you guys are feeling the corners of something, but not quite grasping it: if bringing lovers to LYLO creates a high likelihood of a tie, then maybe that's just fine.

If scum were one of Pizza or DP, they kill us lovers, lynch Cuth, easy. If scum were one of Xiahou or Cuth, go for a paranoia tie because then they have a 50% chance of victory.

And maybe that's the best they can hope for.

People won't go with a tie, they'll go with their next most likely wolf and try to win without a coin flip.

I would never put this game on a coin flip after all the work I did here. I think that's distasteful in the extreme.

I hate flipping coins to begin with, but the time to do it is early game, trying to lynch a wolf. Not at lylo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyone in lylo with the lovers should be voting the other nonlover person, period.

Hope you were wrong. That's all that's left.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Turbos decided by coin flip, fine.

Not long games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

also while you keep harping on the "i vigged zack" line

i just don't think a wolfteam composed of the three dead wolves plus you ever ever ever behaves like that

Vote: Cuthillius

Harping?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If it's just Xiahou then this shouldn't be this much of a struggle for you, man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a good town read on Xiahou and I'd still lynch him tomorrow because it has to be him at that point, read or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe it is time to declare the game a draw.

Sucks, but that's the way it has to be. I am feeling influenced now by the posts I am making that are being thanked.

This is why I pushed for a rule for the gameroom that people should not thank posts during play. People did not agree with me.

But this is why I am correct: I don't know if the dead players are spoiled.

But, when they thank posts after they are dead, even if I try to push it out of my mind, I cannot. I feel like they're trying to encourage me or even just thank the posts of townies.

As such, it's not fair on cuthillius, Zack, GH, and Logic, if the dead people are spoiled.

If they are not spoiled, I still feel influenced and that is killing my entire desire to play.

I know you guys probably don't mean to do this, but I cannot in good conscience continue play under these circumstances.

If you are not spoiled in the dead place, stop thanking posts, please.

If you are spoiled, this game is over and it is a draw.

[Montmorency]

I believe it is time to declare the game a draw.

Sucks, but that's the way it has to be. I am feeling influenced now by the posts I am making that are being thanked.

This is why I pushed for a rule for the gameroom that people should not thank posts during play. People did not agree with me.

But this is why I am correct: I don't know if the dead players are spoiled.

But, when they thank posts after they are dead, even if I try to push it out of my mind, I cannot. I feel like they're trying to encourage me or even just thank the posts of townies.

As such, it's not fair on cuthillius, Zack, GH, and Logic, if the dead people are spoiled.

If they are not spoiled, I still feel influenced and that is killing my entire desire to play.

I know you guys probably don't mean to do this, but I cannot in good conscience continue play under these circumstances.

If you are not spoiled in the dead place, stop thanking posts, please.

If you are spoiled, this game is over and it is a draw.

OK, now it makes sense, that you or whoever was hosting discouraged it in whichever game I thanked a post soon - Oh, it was FrenchRev. Definitely see the problem.

My disclosure, during the night Reinoe thanked me for asking Cuth about the kill logic:

This is interesting to bring up. Could you explain your thought process predicting the last kills? Best of all to post it just before the round ends.

@Sooh

[Sooh]

The dead (with the exception of the dead mafia) are not spoiled. We keep playing as is, but I don't want any more post thanking from dead people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok.

That's all that matters. If the dead aren't spoiled, then it cannot be read into, rightly or wrongly by anyone.

If dead player x thanks post y of a player, and dead player x was town, if they're spoiled, it puts the thought into ones mind that it could be alignment indicative, either of the read contained within the post, or of the alignment of the thanked party.

If the dead don't know my alignment or Cuth's, then it's completely null and the game should be fine.

And for reference, I've posted pretty much the exact kind of post in a similar situation many years ago when I was not town; people had been using thread tags in that game after they were dead. I'd say the exact same thing in either alignment, and I'd phrase it just like if I were a townie if I'm mafia. Alignment doesn't matter- if it can be construed a certain way, by anyone, it matters. If it cannot be construed at all, by anyone, then it's fine.

So we have four hours. If you guys are lynching Xiahou today, you can do so.

If it's somehow dp101, then the cfd thing was amazing and good entertainment and well acted by each party.

If it's the lovers, we don't have the votes to lynch there as far as I can tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the call Monte.

Lynch Xiahou, then/if town, what?

[Cuthillius]

vote:Xiahou

i'm going to laugh about your thing from over ten years ago wrt his meta if he flips wolf

by the by

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote:Xiahou

i'm going to laugh about your thing from over ten years ago wrt his meta if he flips wolf

by the by

He's got a consistent meta, what can I say.

Plus, I really like that Zack vote. That's good and it's nice and cold.

I can see how it's possible, I am not blind to that. I can even see how dp101 is possible.

But possible and what I believe are two different things.

If someone came to me and said it's possible dp101 is mafia, I'd say... okay.

If someone said let's lynch dp101 today, I'd say.... buh?

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Xiahou (2): Montmorency, Cuthillius,

Cuthillius (1): Pizza,

Not voting (3): Xiahou, Csargo, Dp101,

With 6 players there are 4 to hammer.


EOD4:

[Montmorency]

What's the call Monte.

Lynch Xiahou, then/if town, what?

I'm very confident in Xiahou, but if that doesn't work I will vote Cuth the next day.

I'm not going to tinfoil on lock townies at this point, if only because I almost always cock up LYLO hero stuff. Keep it simple, stupid (Monty). Two suspects, two lynches.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If it's not Xiahou, then what do you do tomorrow if I am dead?

@ everyone.

That may affect how I vote today.

[Montmorency]

Well, not tinfoil publicly. But that's separate from how I'm thinking about the vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm very confident in Xiahou, but if that doesn't work I will vote Cuth the next day.

I'm not going to tinfoil on lock townies at this point, if only because I almost always cock up LYLO hero stuff. Keep it simple, stupid (Monty). Two suspects, two lynches.

So then why would Cuth keep you alive?

[Montmorency]

If it's not Xiahou, then what do you do tomorrow if I am dead?

@ everyone.

That may affect how I vote today.

If DP or Csargo start twirling their mustaches, I'll think lateral.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But you and Csargo won't vote each other and you have 2 votes.

Why would Cuth keep you alive?

Even if the play is to fool dp into voting for one of you, that's not a winning plan. You have 2 votes.

[Montmorency]

So then why would Cuth keep you alive?

As you said, only you could convince yourself that DP is scum, or convince DP that you are scum. Otherwise, as I said, Cuth's only chance is a tie flip. What would you do in that scenario (setting aside your rhetorical skills)? Do you feel an F3 is the only honorable way to die so you set that up for yourself as scum every time?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whoever is dead doesn't get to think about this and say things tomorrow, so this is the last round.

Xiahou is dead and is a townie.

All the scenarios which are possible after that event should be looked at.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you said, only you could convince yourself that DP is scum, or convince DP that you are scum. Otherwise, as I said, Cuth's only chance is a tie flip. What would you do in that scenario (setting aside your rhetorical skills)? Do you feel an F3 is the only honorable way to die so you set that up for yourself as scum every time?

Well, I just don't agree that Cuth's only chance is a tie flip.

If you're alive in final 4, then the game state looks wrong to me. That's not a winning plan and I'm a stickler for plans that win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Xiahou, shoot me, that's a valid plan.

[Montmorency]

Lynch Xiahou, shoot me, that's a valid plan.

Is it equally valid for all players, or more so for you and DP?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Xiahou, shoot me, that's a valid plan.

Hit send too soon. ^From Cuth's perspective.

But to me, I don't think it wins. He's gotta bet the farm that you guys lynch dp, because dp lacks the votes to lynch you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is it equally valid for all players, or more so for you and DP?

Such a plan makes sense from dp's perspective, if he's somehow a wolf here.

Which I just don't see. All the evidence points the other way.

[Montmorency]

Hit send too soon. ^From Cuth's perspective.

But to me, I don't think it wins. He's gotta bet the farm that you guys lynch dp, because dp lacks the votes to lynch you.

For whatever it's worth:

@Cuthilius

Would you be satisfied betting on a coin flip if the alternative was facing DP & Pizza?

I think this breaks along differences in basic assumptions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The way I see things Monte, is that you and I and dp are townies.

I can see universes where any of the others are guilty.

But, if any of csargo or dp are guilty, they will not be lynched in final 3/4.

And Xiahou always gets lynched, and either you or me dies tonight, Monte. So, I want to be thoroughly exhaustive.

You're absolutely sure, betting the game, that it's not csargo?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is the last and only round where csargo is lynchable.