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    Default Re: How Could God Send Those he Loves to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    No.



    Almost all there is to read. My PhD thesis was based on analysis of his Legendarium.




    I can't. But I equally can't see any proofs it is otherwise. So since one can't prove the use of metaphor, one must abide by the literal meaning of the word used.





    Yet he knew Adam would sin. He was meant to sin. It was his "function" in the paradise. If he was meant to, he wasn't to blame. Just like Judas - his "function" was to betray Jesus. Without Judas there would have been no resurrection. Thus both can't be blamed for what they have done. Hence turning Adam out was senseless and heartless.


    That is to bad. Their are some good ones if your interested.

    http://www.thetolkienforum.com/index.php
    http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...erl/gforum.cgi
    http://forum.barrowdowns.com/index.php?



    Holy crap that is great. I have read more of him as a person as i wanted to get to know the mind that created middle earth. But I am now getting into the lore aspects of it. I will be starting the histories of ME next. I would love to talk with you on some of this stuff. In fact I am going to make a thread on a subject on this forum and would love your expert evaluation of it. I will post it.

    Does the Silmarillion Contradict Third age History?
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053775601
    In Search of Lore Accurate Size of a Mumakil
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...e-of-a-Mumakil



    I just think the passage is clear they were not literally burnt. Seems to indicate non literal fire. Or at least one that does not consume physical bodies.


    Both judas and adam were guilty and rebelled against god. Adam was never meant to sin, he was meant to live eternally in relationship with god. His proper function was to follow god and be a steward of earth, eat good food and have sex. His own free will caused the fall. God chose a world with free will and thus accepted the future fall of man. Judas worked on his own choice as well. God uses the bad choices of mankind to do his work yes, but they disobey on their own. A great example is jospeh in egypt. His brothers did evil and sold him into slavery, but god used that for good. But god does not approve of what they did.

    As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people[a] should be kept alive, as they are today.
    -Gen 50.20
    Last edited by total relism; 04-10-2018 at 20:59.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1

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