Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

thanks boss i don't either

objection: conflict of interest

[Hally]

i find myself vaguely townreading p much all of the people who are actually doing things

which is prooobably not correct (this originally said "clearly" and then i remembered teamgame)

we'll workshop it

zomg everyone is so villagery

[Hally]

i say as i have like 20 villa reads

[Hally]

because sometimes i like to stew on things and not force people's hands so they get defensive and i confbias on them and the focus becomes more on whether or not they're conforming to my particular standards by which i'm reading them than how they'd post if they were free to do whatever

because that's not a ton of fun

but i also thought the posts were pretty bad

and i'd have likely mentioned it in passing or implicitly at some point after having caught up if visor hadn't

ah, gotcha

[Hally]

A source of spew one way or another, for those who care to review D1 in midgame.

Independently, maybe I'm just way off in a contrarian muddle here in light of the consensus. When a (non-mechanical) consensus forms around a player D1 it deserves privileging absent a strong compulsion to the contrary.

All I can recall from the meta is that Zelda is more aggressive as scum, but I can't even evaluate just how aggressive he's been here against baseline. But what really pinged me is that I straight-up disliked his reasoning about most everything, substantively. I can't recall how that fits into meta either. Regrettable, as I should have a good grasp on his style after receiving it in a good number of games and mix of roles in short succession (6?). Such is the life of the amnesiac protagonist.

If that's all the traction my commentary is getting for now, I'll log off.

Y'all read my walls or I probably won't respond to anything concerning me!

can you cite some specific things you disagreed with capage about?

[Hally]

Actually, when I said aggressive, maybe I meant passive-aggressive. One or the other.

Then again, I can't even articulate the difference in abstract in mafia context.

i don’t really think he’s been aggressive or passive aggressive

he’s been forthright but that’s not really the same thing as aggressive

[Hally]

Vote: dyachei

that dya sequence of “i like ara” -> “i’m nodding along to her posts” -> “i don’t remember what i was nodding along to” in the span of 15 min is a thonk

i know dya said they were super tired but c’mon

quality x-post

also vote: dyachei

[Hally]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I want to say that they'd make up something there? I feel like many if not all of my posts were !!!!!!! and it would not have been difficult to just pick a post or two out!!

Take that with a grain of salt though, I guess!!!

i mean, maybe? but at the same time, how do they forget what they just said they were nodding along to if it was significant enough for them to v read you off of

i get it seems twtbaw but i almost feel like it comes full circle to being twtbtwtbaw

[Hally]

I initially liked it because it feels like something town would approach the game with (yeah I'm going to be careful about these players), but only somewhat because it's something that could easily have been thought/considered pre-rand!!!

meh, alright. i had the exact opposite impression because i don’t really get why v!amy would actually be scared to v read me or think i could pocket her as a wolf when i’ve never wolfed against her and she’s found me pretty easily each time we’ve been v/v, but i don’t really wanna harp on this

[Hally]

@dyachei do you have an amy read?

[Hally]

i’m finding it hard to process monty’s posts beyond it maybe being vaguely villagery that he’s decided to be contrarian and wolf read the person everyone and their mother is v reading

and i don’t really have any thoughts on cuth beyond that i think his posts are generally agreeable and i liked his takes on esooa

my brain is kinda shutting down

[Hally]

gonna go to sleep unless anyone has something they wanna ask me real quick

[Hally]

oh actually, i forgot to talk about gh

i didn’t really like how he went back to voting eph when eph hadn’t even been itt since he moved off. i don’t even know what i was expecting but i guess like... maybe that he would try to explore new ground or something. so falling back on a push he already made when there was no new posts from eph rubbed me wrong, like maybe he is having a bit of trouble expanding his horizons if that makes sense

also, @GeneralHankerchief did you ever check to see what eph wolf game you were thinking of/if you were even thinking of a wolf game and how does that factor or not factor into your continued focus on eph?

[Hally]

okay, i really gotta sleep

sorry i couldn’t real time more but i’m super tired. hopefully i can catch ppl tomorrow since i probably won’t be around for EoD

[Visor]

@Hally

updated thoughts on amy?

[Visor]

kinda surprised dolby dropped off as he did

i'll be around if anyone wants to bounce stuff off

[Sunbae]

i find myself vaguely townreading p much all of the people who are actually doing things

which is prooobably not correct (this originally said "clearly" and then i remembered teamgame)

we'll workshop it

@Ampharos

Do you think it's fair of me to read this post and contrast it to the "Sunbae says nice things but he can be doing that as scum and nothing is alignment indicative" post from earlier and be confused?

To me it's come off as if you've started the game from a "posting well isn't alignment indicative" mindset that's approaching things with skepticism and hesitancy and now have shifted to a general "Eh, I'll give town reads to those that are active and figure out any deep scum later" laid back mindset. While I think both mindsets are totally fine and reasonable (I'm personally a big believer in the second one a lot of the time) I'm just a bit confused about what caused the shift between the two.

Secondary question: Can you elaborate a bit on the "p much" portion? That makes it sound like you specifically have an active poster that you don't feel is towny but I could be reading into it too much.

[Visor]

@Manasi

henlo.

[Ephemeral]

my convo with gh from earlier was unsatisfactory as a whole

felt like he was just answering my qs for the sake of answering as opposed to actively being interested in moving it forward to get a better feel of where I was at/what I was doing

Doesn't feel like he's actually trying to gauge me to get a better grasp of my alignment

[Visor]

sup eph

wheres your head at?

[Sunbae]

I think my "it doesn't read like Dya really wants to be here" read is accurate after her latest stint. My concern is that if there's some real life exhaustion going on then it doesn't necessarily make it alignment indicative. I really struggle with situations like this. For example I could see making the argument that DyaScum has been putting in a halfhearted effort to make an Ara read out of some feeling of obligation for her team even thought she doesn't want to post and being correct about it. I could see making the argument that DyaTown would use the thread more as a hangout and just chat to decompress and being correct about it.

But I don't think either of those things necessarily have to be true so I just sit here unsure what to do. I feel kind of similar with Ampharos' "oog poor state of mind" post. I want to push both of them because I think both have reasonable scum potential but I'm also hesitant to do so further and am just hoping they start feeling it. I think it's the issue of wanting them to be town so we can vibe.

I think my feelings of CsargoScum have strengthened after Mont's wall agreeing with me. Having someone that's had experience playing with Csargo nodding along helps me with my hesitancy on the topic. So I think with all three of these together I'm going to stick on Csargo for a bit longer.

[Ephemeral]

sup eph

wheres your head at?

on my shoulders hopefully

I'm currently trying to figure out how good the odds of having most/all wolves in a pool of like

Amy
Dya
Manti
GH
Csargo
Montmorency
Manasi

(not ordered)

what do ya think

[Visor]

I think my "it doesn't read like Dya really wants to be here" read is accurate after her latest stint. My concern is that if there's some real life exhaustion going on then it doesn't necessarily make it alignment indicative. I really struggle with situations like this. For example I could see making the argument that DyaScum has been putting in a halfhearted effort to make an Ara read out of some feeling of obligation for her team even thought she doesn't want to post and being correct about it. I could see making the argument that DyaTown would use the thread more as a hangout and just chat to decompress and being correct about it.

But I don't think either of those things necessarily have to be true so I just sit here unsure what to do. I feel kind of similar with Ampharos' "oog poor state of mind" post. I want to push both of them because I think both have reasonable scum potential but I'm also hesitant to do so further and am just hoping they start feeling it. I think it's the issue of wanting them to be town so we can vibe.

I think my feelings of CsargoScum have strengthened after Mont's wall agreeing with me. Having someone that's had experience playing with Csargo nodding along helps me with my hesitancy on the topic. So I think with all three of these together I'm going to stick on Csargo for a bit longer.

yeah i was wondering if you were gonna say something like this.

i wholeheartedly agree.

if i was picking people who certainly seem like they don't want to be here for whatever reason, dya/amy would be first cabs off the rank. now i think this can be oog stuff and they can just be having an off game because of that but i'm struggling to village read either based on posts if i'm really honest. i feel kinda hemmed in because i both think they are wolfy and also think that they also have oog stuff that is affecting their play which would make sense.

[Visor]

on my shoulders hopefully

I'm currently trying to figure out how good the odds of having most/all wolves in a pool of like

Amy
Dya
Manti
GH
Csargo
Montmorency
Manasi

(not ordered)

what do ya think

i don't have any real read on manti but i can't say i disagree with this list

i don't think hally/cuth are wolves, i think you seem to be posting like you were in the later stages of rocks fall game. i think sunbaes pushes are fine. i think ara is fine.

i will say idk how to deal with dolby/esooa

i can believe pzelda is a villa

[Ephemeral]

kinda surprised dolby dropped off as he did

i'll be around if anyone wants to bounce stuff off

dolby dropoff is also a thing ye

thonk

[Ephemeral]

i don't have any real read on manti but i can't say i disagree with this list

i don't think hally/cuth are wolves, i think you seem to be posting like you were in the later stages of rocks fall game. i think sunbaes pushes are fine. i think ara is fine.

i will say idk how to deal with dolby/esooa

i can believe pzelda is a villa

lol i definitely need to take a sabbatical from ww if I'm still posting like I was in rocks fall :p

[Visor]

lol i definitely need to take a sabbatical from ww if I'm still posting like I was in rocks fall :p

i think your gameplay switched midgame in rocks fall

its weird :P

[Ampharos]

Slank cover.

[Esooa]

yo.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #779

3 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)
3 dyachei (Ampharos, Ephemeral, Hally)

2 Ampharos (Visor, pzelda)
2 Cuthillius (Maple, Esooa)

1 Dolby (Csargo)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius)
1 pzelda (Montmorency)

Not Voting: Dolby, dyachei, Manasi