Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

this truly is a game of mafia we are playing

[Visor]

so you still think cuth?

if cuth w partenred with who

if cuth v who next?

[ColonelLubriderm]

so you still think cuth?

if cuth w partenred with who

if cuth v who next?

Cuth/manasi
Cuth/ara
Cuth/maple less likely
Cuth/you?

If cuth=v then maple or montenot.

Unless the team is exactly manasi/ara then I don’t see how there isn’t a wolf in those 3(cuth/monte/male)

It might even make sense to go monte first because him being wolf makes cuth/maple V

I don’t even think manti is a wolf but I am not confident enough to 100% rule him out

[Hally]

so you still think cuth?

if cuth w partenred with who

if cuth v who next?

the lolwolves super ez dream team world is cuth/manasi (which would explain why cuth is doing *gestures* this)

i don’t think cuth is with monte or bop. beyond that he can theoretically be with anyone else i think?

if he’s v i probably lunch manasi, give monty another hard look and then look at bop or manti depending on things

[Hally]

i will say that although i think we’re probably in a good spot, it’s hard to feel super confident in that when half the thread isn’t contributing much and the other half is still kinda spinning our wheels

but it is what it is i guess

[Montmorency]

Stuff Cuth said about my meta is more or less adequate.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

vote: GeneralHankerchief

vote: Montmorency

exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

i think coming into today being like "haha dya/gh is obviously a wolf here" (with exceptions, but for the most part this applies to most people in this game

is >rand v

but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior

are >rand w

a) don't call yourself dumb

b) the multiquotes were things i was collecting to illustrate my point wrt people who weren't committing to gh/dya immediately but kind of reinforcing the position that they should be the poe today and that they were still good pushes from yesterday without getting too much skin in the game, which i think is very >rand w if gh/dya v/v and even mildly >rand w if they're w/v in a lot of situations

c) when i said gh's progression on dya was very binary, i meant that it was either on or off-- he strongly townread them through the beginning of this phase and then very quickly swung over to the other side; i don't think this is necessarily a Bad Look but there are worlds in which it's sort of a necessary evil push and i'm a little concerned about its similarity to his push on lissa last game in the back of my head

yeah i acknowledge that you've contributed a lot more to the game than anyone else in that category by a decent margin and i also think the stuff you have done is pretty lackluster esp if gh/dya v

which i'm exploring, if not locking in, at this point

i gth gh/dya both v at this point but it's a low confidence thing and that's a lot of why i don't like monty's posts today

with regards to your second point i answered that yesterday, i think monty and you specifically did that d2

I still think it's sillypants to suss someone like this for basically sharing your lean avant la letre. 'I expressed a take that you later thought could have merit, therefore I'm lockiest scum all game' is one of the weirder tunnels I've faced.

Vote: montmorency

cmon pal

My first post today should hold all the answers.

The lolcatting below this is noteworthy, so I'm noting it.

[Cuthillius]

sure

but i think i took more of a stance on gh/dya's alignments than you did, and i came into the phase after the strong pushes on them had cooled off substantially, and both of those are relatively significant imo

my impression from your posting, and this may be misinformed because i honestly haven't read them in a long time, was that you were basically sanctioning those pushes from the start of the phase, which is when they were strongest, but also saying "huh what if they're both v what then" which is weird and unnecessary when you're not indicating a huge degree of caring about their alignments and not doing anything to push back against the villagers who were legitimately tunneling on gh/dya there

it's like

the absolute safest way to approach that situation in terms of your connections to anyone being pressured regardless of dya/gh's alignments lol

[Cuthillius]

also lol

if you're gonna call me out for lolcatting at least pick a better example, like #2617

[Esooa]

the lolwolves super ez dream team world is cuth/manasi (which would explain why cuth is doing *gestures* this)

i don’t think cuth is with monte or bop. beyond that he can theoretically be with anyone else i think?

if he’s v i probably lunch manasi, give monty another hard look and then look at bop or manti depending on things

how does it explain why cuth is doing this?

[Esooa]

Hally, what do you think cuth is trying to accomplish in the recent pages

[Esooa]

and what do you think of cuth having "one wolf read"

[Hally]

Stuff Cuth said about my meta is more or less adequate.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I still think it's sillypants to suss someone like this for basically sharing your lean avant la letre. 'I expressed a take that you later thought could have merit, therefore I'm lockiest scum all game' is one of the weirder tunnels I've faced.



My first post today should hold all the answers.

The lolcatting below this is noteworthy, so I'm noting it.

so you don’t like cuth’s read on you. is he a wolf? if not him, who?

[Esooa]

Cuth, you said Monty doing something like trying to get Manti killed is something he'd need to do yesterday

is there a reason he doesn't make more of his focus bussing logic before pushing Manti coming into today? What do you think of Logic no posting considering?

[Esooa]

poor wording in my last post

don't remember if you said he'd need to push manti but I remember something along the lines of he'd need to be getting something done

[Hally]

how does it explain why cuth is doing this?

well being on a team of people with no WIM who have either hardly posted or flaked completely wouldn’t be the most motivating thing

[Hally]

Hally, what do you think cuth is trying to accomplish in the recent pages

i have no idea

[Esooa]

well being on a team of people with no WIM who have either hardly posted or flaked completely wouldn’t be the most motivating thing

maybe I don't know what "doing this" meant

can you explain

[Esooa]

i have no idea

do you think he's doing it as a wolf to try to get town read? He says he's doing it for himself, do you believe that and if he's a wolf what does it accomplish for him?

I'm asking because I feel like it's pretty towny but I want to talk about

[Montmorency]

sure

but i think i took more of a stance on gh/dya's alignments than you did, and i came into the phase after the strong pushes on them had cooled off substantially, and both of those are relatively significant imo

my impression from your posting, and this may be misinformed because i honestly haven't read them in a long time, was that you were basically sanctioning those pushes from the start of the phase, which is when they were strongest, but also saying "huh what if they're both v what then" which is weird and unnecessary when you're not indicating a huge degree of caring about their alignments and not doing anything to push back against the villagers who were legitimately tunneling on gh/dya there

it's like

the absolute safest way to approach that situation in terms of your connections to anyone being pressured regardless of dya/gh's alignments lol

From the very beginning the context of what my post was in response to has been elided.

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.

What happens if they all flip town?

You Thanked that Visor post by the way.

Although I can see how people might have been confused about whether I was referring to the GH/dya pairing in Visor's post or the dya-Rask reveals coming at the end of day (i.e. dya/Rask t-t would almost always indicate GH town).

also lol

if you're gonna call me out for lolcatting at least pick a better example, like #2617

I didn't. Admittedly, it's not easy to understand what I meant there, but your reaction was unexpected; from context (!) it should be clear that I had moved on from addressing you.

[Hally]

and what do you think of cuth having "one wolf read"

i can see it both ways

i think he’s proooobably a wolf who doesn’t have other avenues to pursue so he’s doubling down on his monty push to maybe get monty killed before him or at least avoid spewing more people on his way out

but i acknowledge it’s also possible he’s a villager who’s being lazy or doesn’t feel he should reevaluate for whatever reason or just really thinks monty is a hit

[Montmorency]

so you don’t like cuth’s read on you. is he a wolf? if not him, who?

I'm having this discussion independent of Cuth's alignment.

At the end of the day, I will sheep as I see fit. If you want something to do, ISO Logic.

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm having this discussion independent of Cuth's alignment.

At the end of the day, I will sheep as I see fit. If you want something to do, ISO Logic.

And with that montenot pulled ahead of cuth in the race to see who can lolcat with words the best

[Hally]

maybe I don't know what "doing this" meant

can you explain

as in, it might explain why he does really seem like he’s trying/is wasting his time with pointless stuff like isoing himself/only really is talking about one player/etc

if he’s a wolf on team zero WIM he’s not gonna be motivated to do much more when his team has completely left him hanging

[Esooa]

And with that montenot pulled ahead of cuth in the race to see who can lolcat with words the best

lmao

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, you said Monty doing something like trying to get Manti killed is something he'd need to do yesterday

is there a reason he doesn't make more of his focus bussing logic before pushing Manti coming into today? What do you think of Logic no posting considering?

a few possible reasons come to mind

off the cuff:

a) maybe logic said he wanted to post and never got around to it but monty felt like he should at least give him a chance

b) maybe logic just decided there wasn't any point and monty knew logic was dead in the water by the time he started posting much and didn't know how to interact with him because it's super easy to tmi so he went very light there (i did this in team game with gh/wisdom both a little on accident)

c) he was pretty strongly suspected until this phase and so he wanted to set up that direction ahead of time, so that people paid attention to him at least a little

[Hally]

as in, it might explain why he does really seem like he’s trying/is wasting his time with pointless stuff like isoing himself/only really is talking about one player/etc

if he’s a wolf on team zero WIM he’s not gonna be motivated to do much more when his team has completely left him hanging

*doesn’t

[Hally]

do you think he's doing it as a wolf to try to get town read? He says he's doing it for himself, do you believe that and if he's a wolf what does it accomplish for him?

I'm asking because I feel like it's pretty towny but I want to talk about

i have no clue. i don’t think it’s villagery though. it seems like something he wants us to level ourselves into thinking is villagery because “why would a wolf do this” when it’s actually completely asinine and meaningless

[Cuthillius]

i can see it both ways

i think he’s proooobably a wolf who doesn’t have other avenues to pursue so he’s doubling down on his monty push to maybe get monty killed before him or at least avoid spewing more people on his way out

but i acknowledge it’s also possible he’s a villager who’s being lazy or doesn’t feel he should reevaluate for whatever reason or just really thinks monty is a hit

i'm sitting here watching the wrestling match between the inner demon who's disappointed about you feeling that way and the inner demon who read my own posts this morning

[Hally]

if he’s a villager and thinks that’s the best use of his time when he’s in the bottom of the poe i... don’t even know

[Montmorency]

a few possible reasons come to mind

off the cuff:

a) maybe logic said he wanted to post and never got around to it but monty felt like he should at least give him a chance

b) maybe logic just decided there wasn't any point and monty knew logic was dead in the water by the time he started posting much and didn't know how to interact with him because it's super easy to tmi so he went very light there (i did this in team game with gh/wisdom both a little on accident)

c) he was pretty strongly suspected until this phase and so he wanted to set up that direction ahead of time, so that people paid attention to him at least a little

a) Everyone gave him a chance
b) This is the exact kind of scenario I can't -not- bus
c) If I reasoned so, I would have been the one filling Logic's slot yesterday

i'm sitting here watching the wrestling match between the inner demon who's disappointed about you feeling that way and the inner demon who read my own posts this morning

Maple's about to be on you for this soft.