Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sunbae]

Some people seem to think it's weird for me to want to blast someone in the face and go to dvc. Little do they know I've already lined up squidward-twerking-and-staring-dot-gif to post immediately upon arriving at dvc so the target gets even more annoyed at their death.

[Sunbae]

if i had expected anything

i think it would have been pretty close to this

zack/ender lock w/w

sunbae going HARD on the villager rp as also a wolf love to see it

What villager RP? I laughed at the set up, talked about being nervous about champs, and then made an emote post. That is as NAI posting as it gets.

[Sunbae]

I kind of want to on Dobby for day 1 just due to the fact that I think they've been forced to be on the defensive a lot early in recent games and it's caused both struggles in getting rolling and lack of enjoyment from being in that position all the time. I also think Dobby is the type of player that can be a big boon if we let him get settled down some.

[Sunbae]

I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.

[Sunbae]

Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.

[Sunbae]

lol putting "drop the shield" in arrow brackets removed it from my post about dobby

[hollowkatt]

I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.

at best it's an uncomfortable opening from a villager at worst it's straight up wolf.

[nebjiamn]

i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.

there are two things that ping me re: ender

1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.

i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.

2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.

[hollowkatt]

what if... vote: no chop

[Sunbae]

Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1

[nebjiamn]

Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1

i was about to post that zack was my first v lean. i think newcomb is fine so far but i don't feel as comfortable sliding him in as a villager yet. i'd prefer he do a little more. but now i've given the secret away. darn.

[nebjiamn]

HK, can you expand on your ender read?

[nebjiamn]

I can't tell how serious HK is being right now so lolme if they're still meming around

[hollowkatt]

HK, can you expand on your ender read?

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

[nebjiamn]

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

thanks

i didn't really like your post calling out katze as v for thin reasons and then shrugging the vote onto ender without explanation so i wanted to see where you were on him.

ender doesn't strike me as someone to be worried about wolfing in this playerlist but i've only played with them one other meaningful time that i can remember and they were a villager. still, just vibes, i don't know that i agree with the basis of the read although i do appreciate your process

[hollowkatt]

thanks

i didn't really like your post calling out katze as v for thin reasons and then shrugging the vote onto ender without explanation so i wanted to see where you were on him.

ender doesn't strike me as someone to be worried about wolfing in this playerlist but i've only played with them one other meaningful time that i can remember and they were a villager. still, just vibes, i don't know that i agree with the basis of the read although i do appreciate your process

yeah no problem.

My OG vote on Katze was 100% a shitpost vote.
People started piling onto katze tho and that felt weird to me. Like if they're a wolf then it's great, but if they're town a runaway wagon on them to start the game seems like a good opportunity for a wolf or two to get on and try to hang there for a chop today.
That's the basis for the v read there, basically that too many people were like "hmm yes katze is a good vote at this stage of the game".
I subscribe to the theory that early game wagons have lasting impact on the rest of the game through a kind of communal thread memory and that an early game wagon like that on a villager is one way to put a potential strong village player into the POE to make them either post out of it or allow for "bad votes" later in the game by calling back to it.

[Sleep]

hollowkatt prob town

[Sleep]

fwiw my katze vote was entirely rvs

[Winston Hughes]

Hardclaim: Role Not-Appearing-In-This-Game

[Monstrdude]

Talk to me about this vote

Wolfiest of the first few posters :sparkleshrug:

[Monstrdude]

Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.

I'm intrigued by this but honestly villagers can be just as hypocritical as wolves so it's probably nai

[Sleep]

Wolfiest of the first few posters :sparkleshrug:

go on...

[Csargo]

feels a bit over the top and pretty out of character for Sunbae

"ah yes fellow vanilla town, i too am vanilla town"



more like you're a mafia stalker!

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Csargo posting no words and only emojis, what are you afraid of?

I'm embracing the low stress, less intense lifestyle Visor wanted.

It's a copypasta.

Okay, I kinda thought so, but wasn't sure.

[katze]

I don't know if this is a serious post or not tbh. That first sentence is concerning, but clearly missing context.

@Csargo: the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it

[Csargo]

@Csargo: the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it

Alright, I can understand that well enough. I don't know why you suspect newcomb, but I understand the sentiment at least.

[nebjiamn]

@Csargo: the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it

just play werewolf duder

[nebjiamn]

what's got you bugged out about newcomb rn?

[ladd]

Fair.

I think that more comes from time since you last seen me but I can't be bothered linking meta because that's boring play.

I'll either win you over or get voted out at some point.

do you have a read on me/zack's push on you?

you seem to care more to argue the argument than to sort if we are wolves pushing you iyam

[Cuthillius]

I really really really really don't want to tryhsrd this game, I really want to see if I can play mafia again wtihhout spending every waking hour on the game

anyway yes fellow wolf dobby thanks for carrying the team to f3 after we all die from suicide bombing

[Zack]

i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.

there are two things that ping me re: ender

1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.

i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.

2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.

I'm pretty sure ladd only meant he wanted to help you get the game out of rvs