Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[nebjiamn]

zack

(villagy enough for d1)
newcomb
katze
cape
hollowkatt

(slightly above null)
benneh
cuth
ladd
sleep

(null)
csargo
winston
rask

(mostly not here but also didnt particularly care for their posts, slightly below null)
dobby
monstr

(sorry bronana)
sunbae


ender/bladescape
monty

i was going to do my own tiered list but my world view is close enough to this

major exceptions are:

1) sunbae and cape in opposite spots for me
2) cuth lower/into null for me
3) winston sliiiiiiiiiightly above. probaly swap his spot with cuth actually
4) newcomb a bit lower, probably paired in the slightly under null group with dobby/monstr

[nebjiamn]

i like winston a bit on general vibes and on some of his poking about my slot. its light but i'm ok with it

i think cape's inclusion of winston as one of his strongest w reads without justification is another thing pinging me about cape. the csargo read already seems light but i feel like winston is a slot i think wolves would probably try to blithely push a bit in this game state, almost irrelevant of winston's actual alignmentbut especially if he's a villager. @Cape90 if you could expand on why winston is your next biggest w read after csargo that would be appreciated

[nebjiamn]

i was going to do my own tiered list but my world view is close enough to this

major exceptions are:

1) sunbae and cape in opposite spots for me
2) cuth lower/into null for me
3) winston sliiiiiiiiiightly above. probaly swap his spot with cuth actually
4) newcomb a bit lower, probably paired in the slightly under null group with dobby/monstr

cause i'm a loser--not particularly ordered within tiers:

hollowkatt
Sunbae
Sleep


zack
katze
Ladd
Winston Hughes


cuthillius
Raskolnikov
Csargo


roro__b
monstrbro
Newcomb
EnderWiggin


Cape90
Montmorency

[Sunbae]

Sup

[katze]

@Cuthillius:

sleep might be the spiciest

i think there's probably reason for their placement in people's readslists but i honestly have nothing and feel like they have much higher potential ceiling than i was giving them credit for offhand until recently

hm, can you expand on the ceiling part? i know you specifically said offhand but i still feel a bit weird about that entire line and your ISO only mentioning sleep one time prior to this

👍 to the rest of the post tho

i forgot how hard it is for people to spell my username sometimes

good variety this game

i understand the alt but cuth is probably just easier for everyone else?

im calling you cuthalicious glgl

[Sunbae]

Caught up.

- There's approximately zero chance I spend time writing a wall post about my thoughts on the Cuth/Monstr thing after already admitting that it was messed up on my end and retracting. You are legally allowed to wolf read me for not doing it. Nobody will stop you. I will silently judge you by thinking "lazy read" if you do though. Do you really want that? It sounds devastating.

- It seems the people with a lot of experience with Mont have them as a wolf so I guess I will as well. It also excites me that my pew pew read of Cape/Mont w/w could be the case still.

- I kinda think Ladd is a wolf but I will begrudgingly refrain from doing anything about it because the one thing I'm pretty good at concerning werewolf is understanding my place in a threadstate and I know barking up that tree with just get me scoffed at currently. I don't think his approach to me - notably saying I've been so non-committal that it's wolfy because I did it 6 years ago once - is reasonable. On either front. The "good read if it's an accurate representation" front and the "accurate representation of my play so far this game" front. I feel like I've been pretty open about my feelings on people and, quite frankly, feel like I'm one of the people that's been most straight forward about their reads and why they have them (outside of the cuth/monstr thing).

- I think both Newc and Zack are villagers getting pocketed by Ladd. I think the way they've handled this game day is in line with my feelings of villager them. Newcomb's post asking Katze about Cape/Sleep being the main reason there.

- I think Neb commenting about me leaving them off my villa list only to learn what their name was in this game was really funny. I'm curious on their thoughts on roro at the present because I feel like that's just kinda been a spot that's been glossed over mostly.

- I'm not really sure what to make of Ender's switch on me. I don't really know what the big deal is to admit an error? Seems pretty straightforward to me and villagy to just say oops and move on instead of spending a bunch of time trying to get bogged down in long wall posts explaining some read. I know HollowKatt has been pretty skeptical due to previous experiences of Ender crushing them or something so I guess that's gotten me a bit more concerned but I still think it's been fine posting. Kinda vibed with "i thought i was funny" even if it should be nai. But similar to mont, there's people with more experience with ender than i who find them wolfy so I'll tab that away for later.

- On a similar front, I have no idea why Zack is so hung up on my post saying I liked the role Visor came up with and thought it was hilarious. Me of all people will be thrilled to pew pew into someone, you know this. I think his handling of it is villagery, just ... incorrect.

- I'd be lying if I didn't say I've been getting an uneasy feeling about HK lately. Can't really place why. Something about the way they've just sounded confused about why people are wolf reading me, asking for explanations, getting none, and then just throwing me at the top of the list has me skeptical. Like a "shouldn't hk be a bit more hesitant with me" thing. With that said, I think I'm just in a weird place in the gamestate where I've been unable to really get reads on things outside of interactions with myself on a lot of people, and im notoriously easy to get turned around on things like this. Earlier in the day phase I thought HK was super towny for believing the things they said so I'm going to try and squash that unease for the rest of the day.

- Katze is cool. Dont really vibe with their newcomb wolf read (i kinda think Ladd spewed newcomb villa if wolf or has a really good read and called newcomb obvious villa if villa). Posting seems reasonable though.

- Idk, still kinda think Cape is a wolf but I'm trying to give my boy zack some credit on a strong villa read there and giving it some space. I don't mind letting it go for now.

- I should have a better read on Monstr but I don't. The selfish read is "calling me town because as a wolf I'd be burying someone" makes sense for their understanding of my game.

- I feel like Cs/Winston are people I should have a better idea on but they are pretty much in my null pile. Really liked the "wife stopped and said 'you're playing that game again aren't you'" post for humor but nothing alignment indicative for either afaik.


think I'm just gonna Vote: Monty for now

[EnderWiggin]

im calling you cuthalicious glgl

Cuthalicious definition make the players loco,
Votin' round me, townreads plainly in my photo.

[Sunbae]

Oh yeah, Sleep seems totally towny. Knew I forgot one

[Newcomb]

I mean I don't really have much tbh, I've just been messing around.

I'd say that zack/benneh/sunbae/ladd/Cuth seem good

Newcomb/katze/sleep/winston seem fine

Rask/Monstr/hk I don't have a good read on

The rest have either made posts I found wolfy that I'm pretty sure I've talked about already or just haven't posted enough.

Think Monty's the most likely woof I can see, just from prior game experience.

[Sunbae]

I have a pretty good Rask read. In fact, I've found absolutely zero posts of theirs to be wolfy.

[Cuthillius]

@Cuthillius:



hm, can you expand on the ceiling part? i know you specifically said offhand but i still feel a bit weird about that entire line and your ISO only mentioning sleep one time prior to this

being intentional alt rather than just someone random from mu who sounds generally like that means could be better player than i might otherwise assume from general flavor feeling is all

[katze]

- Katze is cool

does this mean i can get away with calling you mafia for the cuth/monstr thing or will i lose my coolness energy

[Sunbae]

does this mean i can get away with calling you mafia for the cuth/monstr thing or will i lose my coolness energy

If you can explain why it's more likely for me to be mafia for making a read, going to expand on it, and then saying nevermind before moving on to something else then I won't deduct cool points. I don't think you'll be very successful though.

[Newcomb]

- I kinda think Ladd is a wolf but I will begrudgingly refrain from doing anything about it because the one thing I'm pretty good at concerning werewolf is understanding my place in a threadstate and I know barking up that tree with just get me scoffed at currently
...
- I think both Newc and Zack are villagers getting pocketed by Ladd. I think the way they've handled this game day is in line with my feelings of villager them. Newcomb's post asking Katze about Cape/Sleep being the main reason there.

I've definitely had thoughts along those lines fwiw

[katze]

being intentional alt rather than just someone random from mu who sounds generally like that means could be better player than i might otherwise assume from general flavor feeling is all

gotcha

my impression of that line was that it felt out of place to exist when you hadn't prior mentioned reads there but i don't think it's worth getting hung up on

[katze]

I have a pretty good Rask read. In fact, I've found absolutely zero posts of theirs to be wolfy.

tbf ive found 0 of them to be townie either :/

If you can explain why it's more likely for me to be mafia for making a read, going to expand on it, and then saying nevermind before moving on to something else then I won't deduct cool points. I don't think you'll be very successful though.

uhh

well actually i can

so!

...is there no spoiler boxes on this forum?

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peepee poopoo

hopefully that covers it and i hope i can still be seen as cool by you

[Sunbae]

I've definitely had thoughts along those lines fwiw

I cannot emphasize enough how hard it is for me to get my footing in a game where I am kind of the center of attention, so like I have almost zero confidence in any of my reads here - especially ones based on how someone has interacted with me. I think I just got really, really, really shook when Zack of all people (who I normally vibe really well with) just came at me out of the gate. I tried hard to just sit back and let other things develop and find things I thought were interesting, but well nothing really developed and the focus got more and more on me.

[Sunbae]

And that's not like, a bad thing or anything. It's just a spot I'm not really used to operating from out of the gates.

[Cuthillius]

gotcha

my impression of that line was that it felt out of place to exist when you hadn't prior mentioned reads there but i don't think it's worth getting hung up on

i didn't think the posts were as important to read as they might be

[Sunbae]

I will be one village read that the spoiler says peepee poopoo

If it does you have to town read me

[katze]

i have never felt so called out before

[Sunbae]

So I figured a kinda stream of consciousness big post of the general headspace would maybe help people with where I'm at? Not sure if it did.Was worth trying though

[Sunbae]

i have never felt so called out before

You were merely adopted by the peepeepoopoo
I was born into it
molded by it

[Cuthillius]

my iso has as much sleep in it as i've had since the start of the game

these two things are very much connected

[Cuthillius]

So I figured a kinda stream of consciousness big post of the general headspace would maybe help people with where I'm at? Not sure if it did.Was worth trying though

it did but you didn't say anything about me((

[Newcomb]

I cannot emphasize enough how hard it is for me to get my footing in a game where I am kind of the center of attention, so like I have almost zero confidence in any of my reads here - especially ones based on how someone has interacted with me. I think I just got really, really, really shook when Zack of all people (who I normally vibe really well with) just came at me out of the gate. I tried hard to just sit back and let other things develop and find things I thought were interesting, but well nothing really developed and the focus got more and more on me.

I get that. Would it help if I said that regardless of how much people are focusing on you right now, you're very unlikely to be the lynch toDay?

[nebjiamn]

I don't have a ton of thoughts on roro right now, sunbae

I've got them lumped in a pile with slight wolfy vibes from players but hardly anything that's locked in. i would like to see dobby come in and spit out a few more actually-indicative posts so i can really figure out where to slot them but as of now i'm just kind of leaving them there for my initial read on their opener and then some still-goofing-around-but-no-real-thoughts on their 2nd burst of posts. i think they mentioned cape a bit but not anything worth much IMHO

why are you specifically concerned with my thoughts on roro here?

[katze]

So I figured a kinda stream of consciousness big post of the general headspace would maybe help people with where I'm at? Not sure if it did.Was worth trying though

i read it and since then have been kinda trying to formulate thoughts about ladd and have... not really had much success honestly

this is to say that im hedging there mentally

[nebjiamn]

i clicked the spoiler and immediately hated myself, fwiw

[katze]

i clicked the spoiler and immediately hated myself, fwiw

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hehe