Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[katze]

Winston:

is your suspicion on zack real?

[Cape90]

Most of the people putting me in their wolfreads are villagers

That being said I still think hollowkat's post about me "saying spicy things for the sake of it" isn't a real thought

At this point though I think over half the game has called me a wolf and if there's not a wolf in there I would be literally floored lmao

just wanted to say Monstrdude is likely a member of the village

Well okay I have more to say but not before I read more :D

[Csargo]

did you vote for me?

or was that cuth?

I didn't vote for you, I don't have strong feeling either way about you.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston:

is your suspicion on zack real?

what do you think?

(genuinely, it's interesting to me to know before i tell)

[Winston Hughes]

I don't have strong feeling either way about you.

my heart is breaking

[katze]

what do you think?

(genuinely, it's interesting to me to know before i tell)

leaning no but asking for a reason

[Newcomb]

Newcomb:

do you believe that the other people who suspect you are doing so in a more authentic way than i have?

this question feels awkward but any other way i word it feels loaded

Sleep's case on me was about as neutral as I've ever felt about someone suspecting me.

AFAICT no one else is really shading me beyond a few comments here and there that haven't really pinged me.

[Csargo]

my heart is breaking

[Winston Hughes]

leaning no but asking for a reason

i'm struggling to think of townie reasons

[katze]

Sleep's case on me was about as neutral as I've ever felt about someone suspecting me.

AFAICT no one else is really shading me beyond a few comments here and there that haven't really pinged me.

well, benneh is voting you apparently

Tally as of #570 (editing in)
1 Newcomb (Nebjiamn)

and so is ender

[snip]

[..]


Vote: Newcomb

alongside a case on his end

i think benneh wrote a post detailing concerns on you too?

[Newcomb]

Sleep's case on me was about as neutral as I've ever felt about someone suspecting me.

AFAICT no one else is really shading me beyond a few comments here and there that haven't really pinged me.

Actually wait that's not true, HK shaded me for something and I thought it was kind of in a villagy way, let me find it.

[Cape90]

Most of the people putting me in their wolfreads are villagers

That being said I still think hollowkat's post about me "saying spicy things for the sake of it" isn't a real thought

At this point though I think over half the game has called me a wolf and if there's not a wolf in there I would be literally floored lmao

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wait that is so much easier from what I have been doing.

My gut tells me Rask is town, but I don't actually know yet

[katze]

i'm struggling to think of townie reasons

well, yeah, you already nailed my scumteam!

so do you have an answer? :P

[Winston Hughes]

zack is zack is zack

so townie he's scummy, so scummy he's null, so null he's townie

[Sleep]

im rereading ender, i liked the early response to pressure from him, stuff like #94 felt good to me, unbothered. fakeable but a small plus. his response to hollowkat sussing him i liked? just buy the "i don't believe you believe this" reaction he had, he has a lot of solvy posts that look like someone whos sorting through things, and stuff like #375 where he agrees with me but presumably wont give me towncred because he thinks i might be a sneaky good wolf or something. the casing of newcomb also felt like not something he goes all-in on as a wolf d1 (altho he did say he likes to fool good players so maybe i should mentally adjust for that). but i think his reasoning has been decently okay. biggest concern i guess would be him townreading me might be pockety when i was standing up for hm earlir when i said i thought he was villagy. but thats a very slight concern.

[Newcomb]

I think katze is town, I think newcomb is leaning super hard into "newcombness" with these two posts
...
kind of like "this is a meta thing I have been known to do and nobody is doing the thing so I'm going to manufacture a situation where the thing happens and then use that to subvert the expectations" which is probably shit but I like thinking it.

What I like about this approach, and this is kind of weird, is that it's not something I think a wolf would think to fake? Like the idea that I as a wolf would be manufacturing a situation - like I somehow put my hand into Katze's mouth and used them like a puppet to suspect me in a way that I could then call out - like if you think about it it's kind of a ridiculous thought to have, and that's why it felt like a villager thing since a wolf would have to fake it and that would be pretty wild. Much more likely it's one of those random thoughts that pop into your head when you're genuinely trying to sort someone.

[Cape90]

morning

skimmed a catchup, main impression is that raskol is like, a league above the last time i played with him (swag city, he was mafia) so he's probs a villager

skipped the newcomb wolfcase because i'm kinda leaning towards not killing him today even if i think he has high enough mafia equity, for #raisins

also now that the game ended i was hosting a sorc17 on MU and cape was p largely suspected in the earlygame for iffy reasons and imo was super villagery on the day he died, mbe he was townier cuz he had a vest buuuuuut it's part of why i also kinda dont wanna kill him today either

except my vote is apparently still on him

unvote: Cape90

ill figure out where it goes later

I feel like I am playing more towny this game though I am mega struggling at explaining stuff since my brain doesn't seem to want to work on anything but v i b e right now

[Winston Hughes]

zack knows how i feel about him

[katze]

alrighty so it's a joke

i was asking cause your vote movements between zack+dobby/treatment of zack felt pretty fake to me but i wasn't sure if i was reading too much into a joke since at some point you two looked like friends

[Newcomb]

well, benneh is voting you apparently



and so is ender



alongside a case on his end

i think benneh wrote a post detailing concerns on you too?

lol maybe it was ender's case and not sleep's? It made like no impression on me, whoever it was.

benneh didn't really strike me as a serious vote

[Cape90]

less verbose, less content about the game, and just sort of here but not doing anything. It's not like absolute 100% a woof, because any number of things could be happening. I just want to see if Monty shows up and does anything, and my vote there seems good at the present.

this seems a little overly detailed for someone who posted a total of like 3 times

[Cape90]

I think we need to start talking about consolidating.

Who's actually likely to go over today?

1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
4. Ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Zack no, bennah... probably not though I can't off the top of my head recall anyone strongly reading bennah one way or another.

Cuth, probably not, some strong voices townread.

Ladd... interesting but I don't realistically think that's ever happening D1 here.

Winston... could see this being a LHF compromise type thing I guess? Possible.

Rask, possible

Me, not happening

Csargo, maaaaybe but kind of a long shot IMO

Ender, maybe

Sunbae, probably not happening

Monte, sure

Dobby, jury's out, see how people react to the catchup. I tend to think not.

Monster, uhhhh yeah moving on

Katz, probably not happening

Sleep, would probably be the spiciest D1 lynch that's actually on the table.

Cape, not actually sure. Can't recall what thread sentiment is on this guy.

HK, outside shot maybe

That leaves us with what, Winston/Rask/Monte as the "taking the easy way out" type options, with Monte being like the pure shot in the dark. and the two C names, Ender, and outside shot of Sleep/HK as the more information heavy but harder kills?

Does that roughly match other people's takes on thread sentiment? Open question. Feels like it's about time to get the ball rolling though.

you know what

maybe I am wrong on Newcomb

[katze]

i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit

seems p serious to me bronana, although they don't want you to go over today it seems

[Cape90]

its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea

stop stealing my thoughts ladd

[Winston Hughes]

i was asking cause your vote movements between zack+dobby/treatment of zack felt pretty fake to me but i wasn't sure if i was reading too much into a joke since at some point you two looked like friends

sorry, i'm not following

what did you think i might be doing there?

[Newcomb]

i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit

Oh yeah this post. I wouldn't call this like a lock v read or anything but I did come out of it thinking a light shade of v on bennah; basically I think it's like just the right amount of charitable towards me if he doesn't actually already know my alignment. Just feels natural I guess?

[Cape90]

just some comments on p#181 - townies can be wolfy, in fact, they're usually more wolfy than wolves if they're sorta experienced imo :p And like, looking at the post, it's not.... trying to evaluate the alignment of cape. It's trying to make a case on why cape is wolfy. And that's. Not wolfy (kekw) per se, but it's definitely something that I want to point out to Sleep so that if they're ACTUALLY trying to solve, i'd like a post naming "good" things cape has done as well, because I'm sure you'll find some.

Just wanted to point out that Sleep's wall at that point contained literally every message I sent except for my meme thing at the beginning of the game. So basically over there they didn't find my content towny like at all.

[katze]

sorry, i'm not following

what did you think i might be doing there?

first impression was throwing shit and seeing what sticks but ultimately i don't really know, i didn't like your suspicion on dobby either though so it's not a sequence of posts i see thriving amounts of village motivation in

[Dobby]

see, this is the kind of sequence I like

it shows that he was thinking about the game and people's alignments behind the scenes, and was able to quickly prove it with receipts. Didn't make some grandiose post(s) in the thread announcing his switch on Cuth, but gave a solid earthy explanation of what changed his read when asked.

that said if cuth is a wolf it maybe looks bad for cape

like I said earlier, I could be wrong on Cape but he keeps posting thiings that I find villagy and I'm not seeing the issue with his posts

@zack i just realised


i i genuinely thought this was the post you quoted, the post looks almost identical to the one you linked so thats why the confusion tbh

this is about this post that i called out (i also thought it was rask's post kek)

[Winston Hughes]

players i won't chop today: hk, sunbae, bladescape

blade going from double pimp to double angel is something i can't immediately justify

just feels right