Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[katze]

looking at the playerlist i kinda do think dolby is the correct person to blow up

[katze]

newcomb if you're a villager i think the communication gap between us is that we define "casually" differently

or that im bad

but i also don't think me trying to solve you is obsessing over you

maybe by other peoples standards but i'm a foler so *posts the alison pasta*

[Sunbae]

For Zack's eyes only

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[Zack]

For Zack's eyes only

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glad i wasn't being too ridiculous reading into an opener like that

[Sunbae]

Ok, I've kinda bombarded this thread today during my wind down hours. Probably should have held off some but I was just feeling enjoyable about werewolf after a wolf chop and rereading the thread overnight.

I'ma get some sleep. I'll be back around during the day for a bit tomorrow but I'll probably be posting more like d1 than tonight for the rest of the day.

Katze, I read it, thanks. Will chew on it.

Csargo, no rush. Take your time. If you fire before I return, good luck! If not, I'll talk through anything you're interested in when I return.

later gators

[Zack]

I don't understand cuth's read on ender, for the record (as in, why he's so confident and I cna't follow the reasoning either)

if newcomb is v then ender looks pretty dang wolfy to me

[Newcomb]

Ugh fine I'll respond to that. Just know that this is not something I usually do and you're getting the benefit of some residual guilt w/r/t Zack

1. alright so like, i think i've only heard of one other person refer to a 'negative space' tell and it was... not to call someone a villager; it was them harping on in dvc about how X is an obvious wolf because of negative space... so i don't know if this is just different definitions since you are not ranmilia or if i'm misunderstanding it, but there's a distant screaming voice in my head saying that this is a super important thing to point out and ask what's up with that .

... okay I don't know how to respond to that. Was there a question there? Like... Zack is town because he's posted a lot of stuff and I haven't found any of it wolfy, and generally wolves who post that much I find something wolfy about? Generally "negative space" is like, the important thing is what ISN'T there, not what IS there. In this case what's not there is him being wolfy? Right? Like I'm kinda baffled what's confusing about that or even what you're getting at with this. The fuck does ranmilla have to do with anything ITT?

but like, i'm pretty sure everybody who has expressed a townread on me has done so reluctantly because they know i'm a good wolf, some have flat out said it, some people might just find me wolfy, whatever. and then there's you, who almost died at the end of day 1 over ladd, and just apparently backread the entire game... and your read on the highest poster in the game, the person who has pushed you the most out of anyone, somebody who had a potentially extremely pivotal vote on you at the last moment of eod1, the person who you apparently suspected a decent chunk of the first day..........

I'm really sorry if this sounds like... uhh dismissive or bad or something but man I don't know you, I don't know how you play. I mentored you one time like 3 years ago and while I remember some of the theory we talked about IIRC you were a villager in that game. You mentioned a champs game on D1 like it was something I'd know, but I haven't read or really even followed champs for like 2 years now. I'm sure you're an awesome wolf I just don't like, have that in my air supply.

I'm not exactly expressing a townread on you, I'm expressing a "I held a wolfread on you for as long as it made sense, and my attention has now wandered onto other things" read.

If you're looking for more than that idk what to tell you. I'll get to you when and if something occurs to me.

[Newcomb]

i wanna note dobby's vote here, though it might not even be scummy

This reminds me, I want to go look at dobby telling the sorc to target me. I had like... feelings about it. I'm not entirely sure "target newcomb because if he's a wolf cool if he's town he'll make a good decision" is entirely something I believe a villager really thought, but... maybe.

[katze]

lmao, okay i absolutely am overestimating how OOTL you are on stuff/being egotistical/something along those lines

alright i think i'm just going to stop obsessing over you and leave you to your own devices for both of our sakes

[Zack]

This reminds me, I want to go look at dobby telling the sorc to target me. I had like... feelings about it. I'm not entirely sure "target newcomb because if he's a wolf cool if he's town he'll make a good decision" is entirely something I believe a villager really thought, but... maybe.

I've mentioned this before I think but the way he amended that to include an and also ladd btw clause right as ladd was getting run up... my spidey senses tingled

[katze]

lmao, okay i absolutely am overestimating how OOTL you are on stuff/being egotistical/something along those lines

alright i think i'm just going to stop obsessing over you and leave you to your own devices for both of our sakes

er, underestimating not overestimating

(and to answer the question, ranmilia was who i was talking about with the spec chat analogy and i guess i missed a spot cause i decided to edit out her name since it wasnt relevant)

[Newcomb]

oh yeah this reminds me about something i forgot to bring up in my last wall because im dumb

when i did ask him to explain his scumread on me he clarified something i had gotten wrong and then gave me a prompt about something he was thinking about but i don't really feel like he used that to solve me much at all

idd, hes not been really pockety except maybe towards ladd (which is probably a good look if anything) but i think there's still issue with his play

You didn't answer the part I was interested in. At that time, my head was at the sleep/cape dichotomy and how the thread was responding to them, the general flow around it. I was running through like, what wolves would be potentially thinking if that was a v/v spat vs if one of them was a wolf.

I wanted to see you kind of like, think out loud along those lines. Instead you gave me a long thing talking about essentially your reads on them as individuals and said you weren't good at reading threadflow.

So yeah I didn't really get much out of it, didn't super feel like pressing you on it, and moved on.

[Newcomb]

Nah, no reason to be mad. Was hoping you were villa, glgl.

I'm sorc. Thought it was best to target a villager that wasn't being cleared by anyone. If I target a poe wolf they just blast the top villager and it's bad, hitting a villager in that spot clears out poe better and can still hit that same poe wolf (or a better one!). Figure it's correct for me to claim now since even if you're a wolf we have a backup and it can't be stopped.

Glad I was right about that at least.

And thank god now I don't have to worry about that stuff you said about me a little bit ago being a second pocket attempt from a strong wolf.

[Newcomb]

lol u soab, I was thinking either you were exactly the sorcerer or a wolf because I don't believe that post for a second

I'm the backup

Oof well that's awkward timing.

I'm torn between being angry that I have confirmation you genuinely think I'm underwhelming and being happy we have another clear.

I think happy wins out? I'm kind of glad I didn't finish my catchup actually; doing it with 3 greens and a red is a lot better than doing it with a red.

[Zack]

Oof well that's awkward timing.

I'm torn between being angry that I have confirmation you genuinely think I'm underwhelming and being happy we have another clear.

I think happy wins out? I'm kind of glad I didn't finish my catchup actually; doing it with 3 greens and a red is a lot better than doing it with a red.

well fwiw if I knew you were about to drop a bomb I def wouldn't have said underwhelming (I believe I did only specify d2, so if you were spending a lot of time on that it makes sense)

you think I haven't done anything except not be wolfy!

[Newcomb]

Who do you peeps wanna blow up? I've honestly got no clue what the best option is here.

MonstrDolby is the safe choice that no one will blame you for if he flips v.

You probably don't want to go *too* off-script and absolutely hero something, but there's room for a middle ground here.

[katze]

i keep trying to write out a thought dump so i can just go to bed because this games hurting my head

finding wolves is hard

which probably means im clearing someone for a dumb reason

and my dumbest reads are probably raskol and dolby

and raskol voted ladd at eod1

the alternative is that im sheeping someone clearing a wolf which would be like, cape or dobby

if i ignore the sheeping then im kinda conflicted on both of those names

so my sleepy ass is in favor of just bombing dolby and working from there

gn

[katze]

actually you can add enderwiggin to the "dumb reads" list because half of it is based off a preflip

gn for real

[Newcomb]

Newcomb,

For what it's worth, regardless of your alignment, I wouldn't classify you as underwhelming and I've been really happy with getting to play with you more. Like I read your iso multiple times and vibed with a lot of it.

[Dolby]

Sup

[Visor]

Live view of Csargo:

[Visor]

Live view of Dolby:

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Csargo (Vanilla Town) has exploded Dolby (Mafia Goon).

[Newcomb]

lol gg

nice shot csargo

[Zack]

Sup

Live view of Csargo:

Live view of Dolby:

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Csargo (Vanilla Town) has exploded Dolby (Mafia Goon).

[Newcomb]

Not really sure how much that changes the calculous other than it being more evidence of an "easy world" type game. 2 down d2 always good though.

[Newcomb]

Did csargo really just fire without leaving like a legacy or spicy gif or anything?

Just literally hipfire bag a wolf and peace huh.

What a legend

[Zack]

Vote: Ender

[Visor]

I'm keeping an updated playerlist with flips in the OP now, for easy reference. Will do a tally shortly.

[Montmorency]

I literally just glanced at the thread to see how much I should cry about the activity level, but now I need to log in to express what a fucking hero @Csargo is. Do me next.

Sup

Live view of Csargo:

Told ya there was something fishy about Monstrdude btw.

[Newcomb]

Sup

Oh my god the timing

I'm dying lmao