Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

I was voting Katze because Katze self-voted. When they unvoted I unvoted. I wanted Cape to start the day with Katze being town. Now I'm less sold on Cape b/c combo of their posting and Sleep pointing out all sorts of anti-Cuth things. Which jibes with where I was days ago.

I was partially thinking that katze was doing the whole town self vote thing.
Maybe that's not a so great read since that is pretty anti win town con.
You know I did not start the day or whatever with katze being town.
why did you want that?

[Cape90]

like yesterday each time I was posting about Cuth, he was looking more townie... now you all quote the same stuff and go "yeah, it's just Cuth lolz".

okay what made cuth look more towny to you?

[Raskolnikov]

why do you think it's Katze?

meh, it's a tinfoil I have since Newcomb's yeet. Partly because I have had doubts about the woofs bussing Ladd (2 KPs less for the pack is huge), and also because I don't think they are very solvey. I don't have that much xp with them but there are numerous posts in their ISO which are just there to look good, or straight up openwolfing. I do think they have lacked agenda though.

tbfh, spamming #thefear isn't helping. (because it works, I just want to yeet them into the sun rn)

[Cape90]

Rask is inno child

[Dobby]

because I think on the whole cuth has been wolfier than cape

And sleep not in that list? Idk weh

Imma stay on Cape and hope that cuth dies so I can say we'll I was right or game ends and nobody remembers I went Cape over cuth

[Cape90]

I liked cuthilius' exchange saying that newcomb had a rather tepid take, thought it was kind of bold

[Cape90]

And sleep not in that list? Idk weh

Imma stay on Cape and hope that cuth dies so I can say we'll I was right or game ends and nobody remembers I went Cape over cuth

this feels like openwolfing without actually openwolfing

[Raskolnikov]

I'm fairly confident it's not Katze or Cape.
You're obvs town and die tonight
Dobby is also obvs town and should die after you.

Benneh died b/c he was the towniest of all of us.

tbh, I tinfoiled this post too (you can tell about my mental state lmao). I know you are prolly just villa, but as a wolf I'd love to write it exactly this way. (so you see, the tinfoil isn't real, I am just projecting my wolf meta on your slot lmao)

[Cape90]

i think it's specifically kinda wolfy in that particular situation but maybe it's just me

I have no idea why Cuth would say this about themselves if they are town

[Raskolnikov]

okay what made cuth look more towny to you?

just I am leaning more and more toward a "there was no bus D1" world.

Also, Benneh dying makes it unlikely? maybe I am just dumb. (it's highly possible lmao)

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
Cuthillius 2 (hollowkatt, Cape90)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)

same as last one

[Cape90]

this wall feels exactly like a w!katze catchup wall lmao

i know i've caught myself like, overrelying on "link post - describe thought" a hell of a lot more as mafia than as town where i'm more... things line up better, i guess? instead of "this post is wolfy *links post*. this post is townie *links post*" it'd be more like "i have mixed feelings" (okay this is a bad example but im not going to make a better one)

Does w!katze really comment on their wolf partner's wall like this?

I lean no

[Dobby]

this feels like openwolfing without actually openwolfing

I have 400 posts it was bound to happen

I'm honestly leaning more towards wanting cuth dead rn but those ender things make me feel like... I can't not vote you

Idk, I guess I'm just not super worried about the game anymore with the job that's been put into it and if it gets to f3 it feels easier in a way

[Dobby]

just I am leaning more and more toward a "there was no bus D1" world.

Also, Benneh dying makes it unlikely? maybe I am just dumb. (it's highly possible lmao)

I really think it's not weird for cuth to make that vote (something something check out haunted by slep where cuth makes his wolf buddy wagon pivot to top wagon during eod) it's close to identical

[Cape90]

I have 400 posts it was bound to happen

I'm honestly leaning more towards wanting cuth dead rn but those ender things make me feel like... I can't not vote you

Idk, I guess I'm just not super worried about the game anymore with the job that's been put into it and if it gets to f3 it feels easier in a way

The ender things to me make it seem like they are trying to townread me because they think I was going to get pushed that day so that they could get towncred for saying that I was town and that he told you all so!

But I am also like super biased

[Cape90]

i think rask probably fits into more worlds than monty

but also that feels like a conversation for another day

i take that back i remember monstr stuff rask is just v

this is interesting and a VERY quick change of heart

[Sleep]

looking back i'm pretty sure i voted you primarily for

you'll never guess

your catchup being lackluster but mostly specifically this post

ender i've talked about more than enough

sunbae i think is pretty villagery but there's been enough waffling that it's conceivably something wolves feel absolutely fine going for

and monty is shrug it's fine but i don't super vibe with any of the people who feel more strongly about it than mild shrug and doesn't look good

and specifically i think these reads are presented from most to least objectionable

and in the absence of thinking any individuals are super wolfy i'm inclined to vote the people who are not actively villagery and who are also trying to kill people that a) i think are villagers and b) feel like villagers wolves would try to kill here

this case is

it's not a case

it's "rask disagrees with my reads therefore is evil" post

[Raskolnikov]

Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)

[Cape90]

i don't think it's obviously cape i just think they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips and i've locked in two people i was v-reading but didn't personally have locked in and i can't bring myself to actually think it's you or dobby even though i know both of you could be capable of doing the things you've done

just wanted to point out that I think this is the equivalent to a non read.

I don't know what Cuth means by "they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips" like... okay? elaborate?

[Sleep]

no

my wolf game is levelly as shit

i can compare other people to this based on how levelly they are

some people are very good wolves so they can calibrate level in a way that i have a hard time reading even if otherwise process is different but monstr just always has that circuit in his brain running as either alignment and there's not really any super solid ground to read it off and we haven't played outside of that enough to develop other good ways of reading

remembering the posts about monstr. i know its been mentioned but like. the way he talks about it is so shifty

[Cuthillius]

not gonna be here for eod

i trust gira's reads on non me people more than i trust mine either way i think I'm voting self pressy here

i wanna say for the record that the strength of katze's read and it's justification make no sense and i really don't understand the comparison with the champs game we played

but it was also a weird and similar v read on me in the game as well so i haven't been stressing about it too much but it did swell in my mind again when reading dobby posts overnight

[Dobby]

Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)

Feels like katze has had a few of those bad mood things and I don't want to make a read based on it tbqh

[Cuthillius]

this case is

it's not a case

it's "rask disagrees with my reads therefore is evil" post

yes

i explicitly said that, dude

[Cape90]

looking back at the cape stuff when i was initially v-reading it looks not so great esp with the perspective on overall wolf strategy

like what do you mean by "perspective on overall wolf strategy" thing? I read the post that cuth made there. And if cuth actually spent an hour making this post I think it just didn't pay off

[Sleep]

just wanted to point out that I think this is the equivalent to a non read.

I don't know what Cuth means by "they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips" like... okay? elaborate?

this plays into what i was going to talk about!

it's not, i don't really have that much of a read on you

i'm voting you because i have an idea of who villagers are in this game and no real leads in any way on who the wolves are and so i'm voting people who aren't villagery and who are trying to kill villagers

that doesn't mean that your posts are wolfy it just means they're not villagery and you're trying to kill people i think are villagers and also in what could be an opportunistic way

i read a guide once (cant remember by who) that told me the hardest thing for wolves to do is fake wolfreads on villagers

and i think thats very true for cuth. he almost never actually cases people when hes a wolf. he votes them for being "not villagery enough"

and i think everything ive seen from him this game fits that bill. i was concerned about it day 1 but kind of had to back down because of the vote on ladd. but rereading its all coming back to me

[Cuthillius]

I really think it's not weird for cuth to make that vote (something something check out haunted by slep where cuth makes his wolf buddy wagon pivot to top wagon during eod) it's close to identical

it really isn't dude

the circumstances are entirely differently i explained it earlier

i jumped on radishes in that game because it was literally the only way to endgame and both of the wolves were at the bottom of the overall quite good town poe and i got on like as it was swelling right before other people jumped on but the weather was swinging super strongly in that direction like iirc lissa voted there seconds after i did

also i read my posts from that game last night and the way you're talking about katze playing for wincon sounds very exactly like i was talking about people but god if i know how to feel about that

[Raskolnikov]

sleep is kiiling me

[Dobby]

Another thing with cuth is that... I don't want to make an activity read but I'm making an activity read

Is he getting more heat/ is it getting more traction because he hasn't really been around?

Or is not being around related to.. you know.


I feel dirty

[katze]

Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)

yes i only have emotions as mafia

(no im an emotional soul)

[Cuthillius]

this plays into what i was going to talk about!


i read a guide once (cant remember by who) that told me the hardest thing for wolves to do is fake wolfreads on villagers

and i think thats very true for cuth. he almost never actually cases people when hes a wolf. he votes them for being "not villagery enough"

and i think everything ive seen from him this game fits that bill. i was concerned about it day 1 but kind of had to back down because of the vote on ladd. but rereading its all coming back to me

except ladd actually was a mild wread i just didn't trust myself there with the people who didn't agree