Casual december game

[Renata]

I think I want to see Csargo either confirm or deny Visor's mason claim right about now. It's getting in the way of my reads of the Logic wagon.

[quote'i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming [/quote]

This, more or less.

[Csargo]

it is

fake just be clear.

[Renata]

It is fake?

Ok, if Ender is mafia then Visor is the save. It's not me and I don't think it's Cape.

[Csargo]

It is fake?

Ok, if Ender is mafia then Visor is the save. It's not me and I don't think it's Cape.

I am not a mason with visor.

[hollowkatt]

3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.

4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.

@EnderWiggin I didn't read a lot of the build up to your wagon. Why do you think people wanted you dead?

[hollowkatt]

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket

I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?

[EnderWiggin]

i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming

I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh

Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.

Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one

POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.

I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.

Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?

Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.

Renata D1 specifically did towny.

So Monty/HK are your partners? Good to know.

(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin I didn't read a lot of the build up to your wagon. Why do you think people wanted you dead?

Honestly?

As best I can tell it's a mix of people thinking I'm somehow playing underwhelmingly (lol) and people who didn't like how I opened this game?

Oh and the good old "Ender is stilted" when I feel like I'm just poking around and having fun in thread.

[EnderWiggin]

if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket

I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?

The reason I want to townread Vul is in D1 where I defend him for 90% of the day because I townread him.

And I say why even.

Surprisingly.

[EnderWiggin]

I am not a mason with visor.

Well.

Lmao.

[hollowkatt]

Honestly?

As best I can tell it's a mix of people thinking I'm somehow playing underwhelmingly (lol) and people who didn't like how I opened this game?

Oh and the good old "Ender is stilted" when I feel like I'm just poking around and having fun in thread.

cool

@ thread ender is town

[EnderWiggin]

Wut

[EnderWiggin]

Out of all the posts "Salty about being scumread" is so far in my scum wheelhouse compared to other posts I've made.

[hollowkatt]

Out of all the posts "Salty about being scumread" is so far in my scum wheelhouse compared to other posts I've made.

yeah but it tracks combined with some things you said earlier on D1. Don't think of me saying you're town off of that post, think of it as me saying you're town off of several posts spread out throughout the game.

[Montmorency]

my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.

Not "our" Amy. ?

3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.

Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?

4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.

None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.

it is

The claim is fake?

and I got scared

So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.

Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?

Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.

Renata D1 specifically did towny.

Hold your horses.

(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)

My frown had a different object of regard.

[Montmorency]

Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships.
HK

Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.

Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender

Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.

[Vulgard]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

I feel like I should go back to some of my previous games and show you examples of me having very similar thoughts as town.

[Vulgard]

Yep.

Well well well, you both are going to be surprised if you're town. More and more people will find out that I actively change the way I think about my reads to account for tunneling town.

[Vulgard]

Since you're you, can you skim D1 of the last Org game (mini) and discern why Vulgard was the D1 ML?

I know I'm not the person being asked, but I was the D1 ML in that game because I was frozen and I'm actively trying not to be in this game to avoid that.

[Vulgard]

Taffy is my top town.

I would not have voted Logic yesterday had I been around at EOD, but I wasn't. It became increasingly obvious toward the late hours of EOD that Logic wasn't a hit and people should've switched. Some did. Ladd in particular changing his vote is a good look for him imo considering how confident he was before, I think he could've kept pushing for that wagon as a wolf.

I feel roughly equal about the chances of Amy and Ender being wolves, except I like the wagon composition on Ender more. I think dya is town, I think ladd's vote switch was towny, I think Csargo has been towny. I have Montmorency in null but he voted on both Amy/Ender so his presence on the Ender wagon is kinda whatever. The Amy wagon has a lot of people I have no read on, I just have a bad reason to call Visor town from his day 1 treatment of ladd but I don't even believe in it very strongly so I'm just going to outright drop it.

Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.

I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.

I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town

Thank you.

If I asked you questions and you do not answer them like you are trying to convince a fellow townie of your solve, we WILL NOT see day three together.

What if I don't think you're town?

I'm realizing I'm townreading people who are townreading me, those being Csargo, dyachei and Taffy. I feel like Taffy is the towniest of the three, and I also know that wolves often townread me when I'm the thread's wolfread, so I'm thinking I might be wrong on one of Csargo/dyachei (hopefully not both).

Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
@EnderWiggin How have Renata and Amy towntold?

the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it

That's not the process, the process is "I think this about you right now but I have a feeling I'm wrong so I'll just reverse the read.

I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.

Vote: Montmorency

[Vulgard]

Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.

I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

[Vulgard]

Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).

[Vulgard]

Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.

But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.

[Vulgard]

Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.

[Vulgard]

@Askthepizzaguy

[Vulgard]

I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.

Vote: Montmorency

He still doesn't have them today. Refer to his posts directly above mine.

Feels like an easy wolf that escaped me because I barely read his content on day 1.

[Vulgard]

I think Visor defended him, too, and Visor is also wolfy. 2+2.

[Renata]

Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).

I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?

[Vulgard]

I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?

I generally liked his posts on day 1.

I agree this is a bad reason and I am concerned I am townreading one, possibly multiple wolves who have townread me. I also found the way Csargo denied being masons with Visor a bit awkward.

[Renata]

Also this isn?t really strong but Monty trying to ask if I could be being coached feels like an odd thought from a wolf. It?s not much but it?s kind of there. Ender is the one where I can?t see any belief in reads. I cant even figure out from that big reads discussion who he thinks is a wolf. Right now I?d buy a him, Visor and maybe still you world pretty cheap.