Casual december game

[Renata]

Specifically why.

This question was for Vulgard.

[Vulgard]

renata, vulgard, pizza,

thoughts on boq?

Hard null.

[Vulgard]

Specifically why.

Why Ender's reads are wolfy? Because he has no suspects. So basically what Pizza said in a nutshell.

[Vulgard]

And as for Boquise, he's null because I don't feel like he's done anything significant. I did see some of his snark in some d1 posts which I've seen him exhibit as town, so I don't really want to kill him, but I wouldn't say I townread him.

[Renata]

Why Ender's reads are wolfy? Because he has no suspects. So basically what Pizza said in a nutshell.

I’m just

I called him out on that same thing before Pizza entered the thread and you said nothing but ok maybe I’m not always the most clear. You want to vote him with me?

[Vulgard]

I’m just

I called him out on that same thing before Pizza entered the thread and you said nothing but ok maybe I’m not always the most clear. You want to vote him with me?

I did say nothing because I didn't think this beforehand. Note the last page where I just said I'm starting to think Ender might indeed be wolfy.

[Vulgard]

vote EnderWiggin

I haven't dropped my wolfread on Montmorency, ftr.

Also, I read Pizza's guide, or at least parts of it, and my head hurts. I don't get it. But maybe that makes him town in this game if he is following it, lol.

[Raskolnikov]

Ender (2): Renata, Vulgard
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): pizza

[Visor]

I think Dyachei?s defense kind of spews Amy town if Dya isn?t.

i can dig this fwiw

[Vulgard]

I guess?

I think dya could also be mafia, I suppose. I don't hate this. There are probably wolves among the people townreading me, because this is literally always the case (wolves have an easier time discerning my alignment because they aren't guessing and I'm hard to read), and dya is among my townreaders. In Gravity Falls, the game I linked to Pizza, I caught Aro on day 2 specifically because he was townreading me while most other players weren't. I dropped the read later, but I had him caught there.

[Vulgard]

I really went with "probably" and justified it with "always," didn't I.

I'm tired. Farewell.

[Kagemusha]

Here is what i think after day 1:

Most town


ATGP
Totally Not Taffy
Enderwiggin


town leaning


ladd


neutral


Renata
Visor
Ampharos
Boquise


scum leaning


Csargo


scummy


Monty
dyachei
Vulgard
cape90
Hollowkatt

How i have come to this prediction. I have given points for being leader and building cases, creating pressure. People who are taking leadership from the start can get a pass at being scum for now as if they lead town to failures they are going to get the chop.
Because this was day 1 i have given neutrality points for shitposting and shitvoting. Shooting in the dark day one is completely acceptable and trying to get any reaction from other people is information for the town in the future. From day 2 onward shitvoting and posting should not be looked upon so kindly anymore.
I have given negative points for making non cases, lazy cases and giving follow votes without reasoning. Flip flopping without reasoning.These are the positions most easy for scum to hide and should be frowned upon. Under this i have posts i think are most telling about how i see things as of now:

Town

Totally not Taffy (#142 Push towards Ender to get the case out, pressure, no effect.)
EnderWiggin (#138 push towards Monty for reaction)
ATGP (#204 vote: Ampharos, pressure)
ATGP (#327 case Amphoros)
EnderWiggin (#398 case against Logic)
ladd (#422 case against Logic)
Totally not Taffy (#513 vote Hollowkatt reason disappearing, pressure.
Renata (#812 vote Ampharos, pressure)
ATGP (#862 returns to his vote on Ampharos, consistent)

Neutral

Visor (103# shitvote towards Pizza)
Monty (131# shitvote towards Visor)
Ampharos (#154 shitvote against Logic? No case.)
ATGP (#213 Vote Ender/Bladescape shit vote)
Kagemusha (#226 shitvote towards Csargo)
Csargo (#300 shitvote ATGP)
Kagemusha (#303 shitvote Renata)
Boquise (#449 shitvote Kagemusha)
Visor (#706 shitvote Boquise)
Boquise (#716 shitvote Ampharos)
luvs2spooge (#740 shitvote Vulgard)
Csargo (#744 shitvote Ender)
Visor (#788 shitvote Ampharos)
Totally not Taffy #842 ( 4th follow on Logic, three way tie, pressure.+-0)

Scummy

Hollowkatt (136# "case against Pizza" 4 quotes, nothing from his own mind, easy activity?)
EnderWiggin (#165 1st follow vote on logic."For? Reasons.")
Vulgard (#231 2nd follow vote on logic. No case just vote.)
ladd (#364 3rd follow vote on logic. "seems like an obvious wolf")
visor (#428 4th follow on the Logic vote "fwiw")
Csargo (#530 2nd vote Hollowkatt "I can get behind this" )
Hollowkatt ( #531 vote luv2spooge "also luv2 is a wolf.")
Logic (#536 Vote:Visor "After I flip villager, nuke visor.")
ATGP (#658 unvote personal reasons)
Csargo (#681 2nd follow Kagemusha)
dyachei (#751 second follow Ender)
Renata (#763 5th follow logic)
Logic (#768 third follow Ender)
Monty (#838 1st follow Ampharos)
cape90 (#846 4th follow Ender)
Visor (#853 5th follow Logic)
Renata (#854 6th follow Logic)
Monty (#860 5th follow Ender)
cape90 (#864 7th follow on Logic)

[Kagemusha]

Kage! I noticed your greetings vote when rereading the thread yesterday. Good to see you.

Hi!

[ladd]

Sap

i finally got some time. Will start reading the thread from the start now, if anyone is around and wants to discuss anything while I am reading lmk

[Renata]

You really included yourself.

[Renata]

I'm here-ish.

[Kagemusha]

You really included yourself.

Analyze uber alles! Helping people so they can see all the players. More info the better.

[dyachei]

Not "our" Amy. ?



Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?



None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.



The claim is fake?



So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.



Hold your horses.



My frown had a different object of regard.

The Amy I'm referring to here is my daughter. Not the Amy in this game

[Renata]

Uh huh. You can go in the too fancy for me pile.

[dyachei]

Also please use they/them pronouns for me. Thanks

[ladd]

I am not used to be this much behind except in mashes lol

I'll just spitball everything while I catch up

pizza def most noteworthy poster early on but i think how people approach him is more indicative than his actual posting

polarizing players tend to generate awkward posting from wolves

So I see Pizza randed wolf

How is your day going?

this is the villagery reaction to pizza weird early posting imo (and where my cape villaread from d1 actually started)

pizza are you ok

and this would be the wolfy reaction

___________________________________________________________________

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

villagery read for early game

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

wolfy post about pizza #2

vote: Montmorency

Thanks for the easy wolfread.

Put a pin in this one.

Scummy fishing for "easy wolfreads" at SOD1.

I like the push back from monty here and ender just completely giving up on this read afaict after just this seems...so-so at best

I also think he did it again with pizza later in the day but i'll keep reading to see if I remember correctly

There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.

noting this for later cause I curious who it was

but feels performative regardless

Logic and ender a touch Wolfy so far

ya agreed even if logic flipped villager him/ender/amy seem the worst so far. Looking back logic clearly didnt fitwith either amy or ender but oh well

[ladd]

how do you eliminate multiquotes?

i am stuck with a bunch of quotes and have to delete them everytime

[Renata]

Also please use they/them pronouns for me. Thanks

Got it.

[ladd]

If I'm honest I was weaponising exactly this to see how people reacted to my Monty vote with no reasons.

what did you get from it?

idk this makes sense in THEORY but it feels like something a villager doesn't actually care to go to the lenght of doing

For Monty I think the piggyback and the response is broadly a towny response.

but you said you were looking for other people's reactioni to that vote and I don't see you trying to do this at all

[ladd]

Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet
Pizza = I have thoughts about this response but it's NAI broadly
Logic = wolfy (If I'm right on this then Monty is 100% town because the tell is how Logic "Piggybacked" off the read to push me.)

i guess there is this

idk it all feels a bit convulted from a villager pov

[Renata]

how do you eliminate multiquotes?

i am stuck with a bunch of quotes and have to delete them everytime

I have a vague memory that somebody upthread somewhere mentioned it's not possible and you do have to do it manually. I have not so far tried.

[Csargo]

I have a vague memory that somebody upthread somewhere mentioned it's not possible and you do have to do it manually. I have not so far tried.

I think this is correct.

[ladd]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have more posts than 20, nearly double that. Correction.

Didnt think it was that many.

Call it 20 solving posts then.

No try again, I do feel that way.

You threatening to yeet me if I feel that way won't change that.

I'm going to leave it and not vote you back because I want to see more from you before I actually commit to a "kill Pizza" project.

Also I'm keyed in on this Logic push I have.

It's early yet, and my read on the game state is that on average 2 wolves are zero posters.

But I do not think I have a lot of wolves in my townnull collection so far. You and Amy are the wolfiest 2 actives.

I reassess all day, don't make final judgments until I have to place a final vote, and absolutely reassess overnight.

If I do not dome you today, then day 2 I will render a judgment on the matter and vote you then or come out with a town read with reasons.

Yeet a wolf today, it will be helpful for both of us if we're both town. Me isn't gonna do it.

Sleep.

No promises. My D1 was never as good as yours at finding a wolf. =P

But you know I always shall try.

oh so pizza was ender secret wolfread?

seems like he really doesnt want to pick a fight with pizza and keeps wanting to move off

[ladd]

Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

i read it and dont get how it's relevant

explain plz?

[ladd]

Yeah that's kinda true...



Good choice, someone tried to derpclear me when I was mafia before, it is a play I sometimes like doing on purpose. I was just wondering because of this + the reasons you were townreading me. I know both instances are fairly different though.



Interesting post



I think last game I played with Monty, Monty got POE voted out I think when they were indeed town.



I don't necessarily get this. You see, with some of my posts I had humor in mind. I do not get that impression from your posts this game. Perhaps this was posting just to post



Interesting read especially on Taffy who is hardly a presence so far and hasn't been towny at all.
I am assuming this all has to do with some of what Ender said about Taffy





So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.



as exemplified here. Which also just feels like it isn't exactly aligning with



But maybe I am cosmic braining this since ATPG is saying that Amy was wolftelling over here...

prob villageriest post so far

red part is so convulted that I don't think a wolf would ~ever be able to coem up with it