Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Vulgard]

This whole spiel is something I associate with Vulgard's town game. Anyone knows how he reacts as scum when pushed?

i'm surprised it wasn't immediately written off as ate because i've seen that done as well

[Syn]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

[Achro]

speaking of punting can you explain your thing about lapras to me again like i'm 5? this is in reference to when you pinged me earlier

i have something to say about it but idk if i understand you correctly

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

[Boquise]

Welcome to micro-tells with your host achro. For every long winded psychology discussion I have I also snap read things.

They also last for a micro length. I have never seen you do a micro read before

[Achro]

They also last for a micro length. I have never seen you do a micro read before

Boq we have played a mash together why are you lying lol

[Vulgard]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

that post had nothing to do with you, why are you pretending that it did to shade me?

[Boquise]

i'm surprised it wasn't immediately written off as ate because i've seen that done as well

I remember our last games and how they have ended for you, and I have previously been good at identifying you as town. So I won't write stuff off as AtE because I have an expectation on how you react.

But I also haven't seen you wolf afaik.
I really have a hard time seeing how you progress your reas with me in this game and like you didn't care much about how Rask updated his read on me, and that's weirding me out

[Achro]

(Boq very likely doesn't remember mashes with me but still my heart aches)

[Boquise]

it's true, i am misreading vulgard because of the vulgard effect despite never having played with vulgard before and thus am not privy to the meta. it transcends borders

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

[Achro]

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

On brand after reading his iso tbh

[Boquise]

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

Can you quote it?

[Boquise]

Boq we have played a mash together why are you lying lol

Oh
I don't remember those. All i can remember with you are endless walls tbh

[Vulgard]

Lapras did a post that when broken down to its logical conclusion behind the words spoken seems to indicate that lapras is either wolf with boq or strongly thought boq was a wolf when writing it. However they didn't really indicate the latter.

okay so if i trust your logic that means i'm wrong on boq and it's boq/lapras

but i was about to say that i think it's rask/dya/lapras

boq works perfectly fine with dya as well so it could be lapras/dya/boq

but that'd mean rask is town and the reaction was a bad town reaction

hmm

do you think i'm overestimating the improvement in boq's posting that i think occurred + him defending wisdom when he did?

also what do you think about syn because he's the one i think could also be a wolf

[Vulgard]

boq what's your poe

[Boquise]

I am kinda confused on how a lot of players seem to have Syn as town, and haven't really cared for my mini push there. I also find it weird that Syn's take away on me afterwards is that I am "fine".

I think the absolute certainty that wisdom was a wolf to the walk back today, by also blaming it on other players don't fit.

However given the sudden sarcasm pop-in on Vulgard + trying to meld the "Why I thought Wisdom was a wolf" response with "btw Vulgard is a wolf" thought in one post makes Syn/Vulgard never w/w with each other tbh

[Boquise]

boq what's your poe

Rask, You, then we have a mix of other characters and I have a theory I am waiting to post tbh

[Achro]

Here you go

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...

[Vulgard]

cape could also be a wolf but i'm realizing i don't feel like he is even if it logically makes some amount of sense

[Vulgard]

Rask, You, then we have a mix of other characters and I have a theory I am waiting to post tbh

what do you think i was doing repeatedly asking visor for his read on rask if i'm w/w with rask

not a trap or a trick question

[Boquise]

Here you go

The only thing I feel about that is that Lapras should be pushing me by now with that point of view tbh

[Syn]

This reads as defensive and sarcastic.

yes, I'm syn

[Achro]

The only thing I feel about that is that Lapras should be pushing me by now with that point of view tbh

Yes. Yes they should.

[Syn]

that post had nothing to do with you, why are you pretending that it did to shade me?

que?

before anyone argues that i'm not the easiest player in the group i gave to push against by saying i'm "not solving," allow me to remind you of the fact that i've brought this point up about lapras and about syn and in both cases it's gained approximately 0 traction and only a minimal amount of discourse

basically i think they're being given a pass and i'm not because i'm vulgard

and they don't even have to be wolves, all 3 of us could be villagers and this would still be true

i think dya recognized this and that's why the push on me exists

[Boquise]

what do you think i was doing repeatedly asking visor for his read on rask if i'm w/w with rask

not a trap or a trick question

I don't know, maybe distance? Poke the pond and see what happens tbh?

[nutella]

Likely pairs:
rask/vulgard
rask/cape
vulgard/cape
cape/dya
lapras/boq
boq/syn

rask/lapras?
lapras/dya?
boq/dya?
syn/dya?
cape/achro?

Unpaired:
vulgard/dya
vulgard/lapras
vulgard/syn
cape/boq
rask/boq???
vulgard/boq???


Some possible teams
rask/cape/vulgard
rask/cape/dya
rask/lapras/boq(?)
cape/dya/syn
boq/lapras/syn
boq/lapras/dya
lapras/dya/syn
cape/vulgard/....?


hm idk not feeling many others, vulg is unpaired with so many that if rask is v idk if theres a vulg team that makes sense unless like achro is a wolf after all

but vulgard wagon popping up kinda suggests hes not wolf with rask either and i kinda wonder if neither is and it points to one of the boq/dya/lapras/cape/syn worlds

thats still too big a list lol but theres gotta be 2 wolves in that 5, almost definitely so if rask/vul aren't w/w

[Syn]

I am kinda confused on how a lot of players seem to have Syn as town, and haven't really cared for my mini push there. I also find it weird that Syn's take away on me afterwards is that I am "fine".

I think the absolute certainty that wisdom was a wolf to the walk back today, by also blaming it on other players don't fit.

However given the sudden sarcasm pop-in on Vulgard + trying to meld the "Why I thought Wisdom was a wolf" response with "btw Vulgard is a wolf" thought in one post makes Syn/Vulgard never w/w with each other tbh

i never blamed anyone for wisdom's flip

what

why should i think you are anything but fine. you yelled for days about how the case on you amounted to little more than a lhf activity read. do you think you're being suspicious? why do I have to think you're suspicious?

[Boquise]

Nutella can you tell me how Syn/Boq is a likely pair

[nutella]

oh i forgot my old achro/lapras pairing too

i will have to entertain that achro has been fooling me

[nutella]

Nutella can you tell me how Syn/Boq is a likely pair

he saved you d1 and disparaged the push on you d2, it would be pretty overt but it is there

[Syn]

Likely pairs:
rask/vulgard
rask/cape
vulgard/cape
cape/dya
lapras/boq
boq/syn

rask/lapras?
lapras/dya?
boq/dya?
syn/dya?
cape/achro?

Unpaired:
vulgard/dya
vulgard/lapras
vulgard/syn
cape/boq
rask/boq???
vulgard/boq???


Some possible teams
rask/cape/vulgard
rask/cape/dya
rask/lapras/boq(?)
cape/dya/syn
boq/lapras/syn
boq/lapras/dya
lapras/dya/syn
cape/vulgard/....?


hm idk not feeling many others, vulg is unpaired with so many that if rask is v idk if theres a vulg team that makes sense unless like achro is a wolf after all

but vulgard wagon popping up kinda suggests hes not wolf with rask either and i kinda wonder if neither is and it points to one of the boq/dya/lapras/cape/syn worlds

thats still too big a list lol but theres gotta be 2 wolves in that 5, almost definitely so if rask/vul aren't w/w

i do not really comprehend how i am unaligned with rask when we have been french kissing in front of the player list all game