13er summer game thread

[Achro]

... It's kind of cute that you and winston both think my most likely wolf buddy is the other one, and I think it is benneh. That's a bit of an issue for town in my world view lol.

But we move on.

Okay we pick back up at 4:14pm, these are the votals

Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

So last thing I did was ask people to kill SK, I capped, and soon I will be coming back to a thread that is voting Cape someone I am not CONFIDENT is town but believe so, and think thread has been 'bad' today.

4:51 it's sk time.

Cape(5): ladd, insomnia, Dyachei, katze, Visor
Katze (2): Winston, ender
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Visor(1): Cape
Taffy(1): SK
Sk(1): achro
Ender(1): benneh

Not voting (0):

Dya votes SK, cool

5:00 pm I drop THIS:

So some things.

No idea how to read into cape being wrong on 3 different posts about scum tells when I am town. I wonder if this is genuine or appearing to be solving an active slot to buy himself time? What are my scum tells in those posts @Cape90 although if you are town at least you know to throw them away next time. Cape are we having a pokemash moment or a smas all stars moment? Hard to tell with you tbh

Anyway much has been made about my insecurity as it were. Jokes on you I took a binding vow at the beginning of 2023 that every time in a game I mention I am flawed, I have imperfect skills, and I have weaknesses my skills actually sharpen and I bend reality to make it so my team always wins.

I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed. I am 15-1 as town. 9-0 as wolf. I am skilled, calm, and ferociously violent as either alignment if need be but mostly chill and here for a good time not a long time. I believe my town game is crisper than ever and my ability to both lead and follow has improved. My read are crystal-like in their clarity and I re evaluate very well these days. As scum my games and the fear I leave behind will speak for themselves.

Ok, so clearly I literally know I am awesome. So what's the deal with what I said earlier? All of that I just rambled about is true but also I recognize that I DO struggle more without meta at times and I do often use posting to help me in scum hunting through real time interactions and sneaky lines of inquiry and play. 50 feels rough compared to I believe the 80 or 100 of the previous game.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious that fake solving as a wolf and actually figuring out people are very different experiences with limited posts. And if they aren't then they are to me. I guess you can murder me if you want if you think for some weird reason wolf achro faked this sentiment and then proceeded to do his best to solve before post capping. Don't really get it tbh. That post cap didn't obstruct me from wolfing because I just needed to fake solve. I worry for this post cap because I need to actually solve. I feel we may be speaking different languages. Also I posted almost double post cap because you said the game ended in 5 days but I 0 posted day 5 because town messed up and voted before I could post. Just FYI. I THINK this is town from you but also you running this like a treadmill is a little confusing. My solving has clearly at this point been eventful. Sorry for showing a little humility I guess I can turn up the ego if you like lmao. I know that's not what you are saying yeah yeah, it is just the ultimate mountain out of a mole hill and would never be wolf indicative for me. My posting after doesnt really fit into this narrative as I did my best Anyway yknow?

Anyway as for my list idea I thunk I saw it in some game recently and I was like 'oh yeah that sounds fun' I of course know that good mafia players abhor fun (they play mafia after all) so I didn't expect it to be completed but I thought it would be fun if it did. The main purpose is fuck RVS and look, barely any RVS. Beautiful. Secondly I was just vibing with everyone's reactions and going from there. How people talk about things early isn't always apparent day 1 in terms of alignment but I bet if I go back after a scum flips something in that discussion will help me solve, or help others if I am dead. Laying weird situations as groundwork for people to come back to is fun and it has helped me a lot in games.


Anyway I think today has proven my fears to be true in that I feel the game has been really stagnant. Feels like it was mostly me and katze churning the butter while everyone else sat around talking about cape or me or katze all day. For all this talk about solving day one dya hasn't fulfilled much in the way of sharp conclusions. But dya, benneh, and myself all have sk in our bottom 5 and so does katze. So lets kill him for the crime of wall posting and move on.


Oh

Right.

I thought wolf katze wouldn't have their scum partner as 1 town and me as wolf there because of she pushed me over they would look paired if one of them died. Most wolves get really nitpicky about things like that. It wasn't a major read but I liked the thought so I ran with it.

.

God it feels like everyone is interested in cape but me as I read the thread in real time. If that boy is a wolf he was in wolf chat 'yo I am kind of busy just bus me it's cool' or something because the stocks are DOWN and been down since before he did anything to my eye that's alignment anything.

All the while sk posts 5 times and everyone is like 'yeah I am sure it's fine he isn't frozen and crying in wolf chat he posted a wall why would I even vote this'

Idk just feels weird that lots of people have sk in bottom 5 but no one is willing to prod him. I know he can be town but I wanted to hear his thoughts and I never got to which sucks. I guess there's more than one scum. Just posting for visibility I guess? If cape is town this was a very scum sided day be ause despite me capping and thinking cape was OK if he dies as town that means I had no thread control (not surprising) which probably means someone who is good at controlling narratives is wolfing.

Which atp may be good for information as cape isn't exactly super villagery just expressing concerns because today to me will feel super bad if cape is town. If cape is wolf though someone on that wagon is 100% a wolf too seeing as how everyone is like 'yeah cape sure is wolfy'

Which means when cape came back this afternoon he is in antispew wifom territory.

More or less just typing out thoughts after 4pm as my post cap lifts because I am jamming to music.

In the end I guess this is a chill game and maybe this is the chill way to kill a wolf day one.
@SilverKeith I believe I pinged you earlier. Please respond I am clingy.

I am ready to fucking NUKE SK at this point. I hate the thread state. I think it's ALL wrong but I don't want to be bossy or rude but my instincts are SCREAMING. I appeal to benneh, you katze, and dya and dya had already listened and you ended up listening too before I got juked. This is a letter of intent that SK is about to DIE if he doesn't do something.


So, he did something.

The first thing SK does when he posts, THE FIRST thing of note, is he responds to me. Because HE knows that accurate day 1 achro is, as the kids say, "a fucking problem" for wolves. So he wants to make this go away.

I don't think trying new things is unlike you. I think there's a big difference between you trying to make someone claim their item in draft mafia, which is something really proactive/bossy of you, you wanted to command thread. This was more like a silly experiment with no real mech reason behind it, it was also a lot more, uh, dependant on circumstances I'd say, a "Hmmm I wonder what will happens or what conclussions can be drawn from it" rather than "This is an strategy that I can agree with or at least understand". I don't think it's really AI (maybe it is but for that I'd need to know more about how you open a game as both alignments)

None, I think. Maybe I've read a game where you were wolfing but can't remember rn. I just felt it was wolfy. Or that must've been the case since I don't currently know which post we're talking about.


Don't think I can reference a wolf game where I reference other games tho I think I reference other games relatively often but it's not something I actively do.

I think something you said later that bothered you was related to me having both you and Taffy as wolves which didn't make any sense and my answer is that you're misunderstanding how I think about games. I can think about things that different players do are individually wolfy witouth having to check into the macro universe where I concilliate both of those things making sense. I see things I say things about them.

Also I don't currently think you're a wolf, kinda? Your push here towards me reminds me of your push in draft mafia. I think that if you were a wolf I'd be more bothered by your reasonings.

Okay. Great wolf post imo to attack 2023 town Achro. Just a clinic on how to disarm me. First, he gives kind of a reasonable explanation that I could see any town making about the difference in the two things. But it's apples to oranges and I know that, draft mafia was VERY mech heavy and so of course my opener wouldn't be mech heavy, but it's like 'ok MAYBE'

Next, he simply gives the answer 'we understand games differently' and that hits me because yeah, there's a lot of different ways to solve and I know sometimes I chop people over a misunderstanding rather than something wolfy. I am not INTIMATELY familiar with SK's game so him thinking of things different is possible and reasonable.

Then he hit me with the sucker punch. It will usually work if it's been awhile. We were both town in draft mafia and I suspected him a lot early. I hate when I tunnel badly and try my best to learn from it, so the above answers were reasonable enough and then he reminds me 'yeah this is like draft mafia, I think you're probably fine as it reminds me of that and your reasoning doesn't bother me' and it's like... oof. Right. Calling back to a specific time is something I like to see people do, it feels like they are recalling a memory. once day 1 after I did it. So I am now trying to make sure I am re-evaluating properly. This post knocked me down to 'okay I am not buying you completely here, but I am not in the mood to tunnel you after swinging and missing in draft mafia and town do remind me of this a lot'

so I got one last good look in before I got juked, from my apparent wolf partner (maybe more idk lol)

pretty much any other choice and i'd have followed you here

just for the joy

said to dya about voting sk

I respond with:

Why is the low posters the golden goose?

That snapped my attention RQ. I was voting SK. I believed in it. And Winston was going to vote anywhere BUT there? What!?

The response

too easy

So I attack SK on his first point, really the only one I can

Oh hello Keith. If you are town question. Why would my thing be as mech heavy as a draft mafia in a 13er lol


Come on that don't make any sense.

So why are we voting cape again?

Clever. I am attacking him and he takes a moment to defend someone I am defending. Very fucking clever. He knows how my town mind operates. I don't care if you town read me, but if you defend my town reads... it will soften me. It's so good. I don't know if he did it on purpose but this did soften me more. So now I think, 'okay I still don't get the opening post BUT now more importantly SK is pushing in the direction I want of not cape. Cool!'

back at my computer for the finale

I have changed my mind, SK is town

unvote: Silverkeith

time to murder a wolf in 51 minutes.

Oops.

Yes, very true. You can be town for understanding this and mistaking it for wolfy intent.

I like chaos as town.

I read his explanation and at this point I am focused on saving cape and go 'sure, it happens' because he did understand my intent before pretty well.

So from here I am obv town reading SK for the rest of the day off of this and I start by voting ladd for stated reasons.

I have killed a thousand towns and a thousand wolves. I fear no cringe. I am the embodiment of mafia justice itself.

I am a nerd.

But sincerely it feels like ladd is sipping drinking coffee and his observations feel okay but also his logic that one of me/katze must be a wolf because we wolf read each other is very predatory if katze is town. Like, 'ah I think they both look good, but idk...'

Also I feel like ladd's posting has kind of encouraged a lethargic feel to the thread. Like it's just easing the momentum towards 'yah bye cape' which we can flip today and if it is town makes ladd's efforts today look shady, chill game or no

also ladd what posts of mine are obvious villager posts. I will know if you are lying.

I think this post against ladd shows where my mind is at and how I got tripped up by sk. I am not preoccupied about 'got to murder a wolf' atp, I am thinking 'ok I think this game state is bad, ladd led the game state into being bad, even though I hedged I just think cape is town and I don't want cape to die.'

Have skimmed some of the last pages.

I like cape doing their own thing. Feels ok.

I think dya is ok. I feel like town dya would default to voting me often in this playerlist and in a game where I'm not really posting a lot, because they are really unfamiliar with me and thus I don't see them condifently putting me outside a POE ever. I'm not sure wolf dya takes this exit. Not related but Dya is prolly the player in this game I feel the most confident in reading correctly but that's a really low level of confidence which is fun and exciting.

I glance at this. I'm okay with dya too, no reason to second guess this - sk is on my side here so far.

yo achro why is SK town

this isnt a loaded q just not sure what u saw

because I get when he was explaining why he suspected me he drew a very specific read to a very specific game and I immediately can understand how v!SK could take that to be wolf achro posturing.

oops, but explained more above.

Achro did you really wanted to tdome Katze at one point?

I mentally checked out by there I think but that's the last thing I member which didn't really made sense.

SK trying to recruit me to kill Katze.

Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Sk(2): Dya, katze
Katze (2): ender, SK
ladd(2): Cape, achro
Achro(1): Taffy
Winston(1): cuth
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Winston

Nah not really I wouldn't have minded some votes there to see what she did but I was just seeing how it panned out.

Reading katze off day 1 is hard so I like to prod people of her skill level to see what happens. Often can be telling in future days.

Me being like 'nah, I didnt really want a tdome' and moving on lol

I thought it was only SK you didn't want to touch. Now ladd? Why is that?

to winston not touching ladd. imo obv not partnered lol

No interest in Ender who is a capable mid to late game solver whose world view mostly lines up with mine, at least for day 1.
Pass.

Based read tbh

My kill order from that list is ladd > cape > katze fyi

Look I was in my feels and was growing comfortable with a cape info chop. I'm sorry.

vote: silverkeith

Note: I think cuth's only mentions of SK for day 1 are asking a question to ender about the wall, putting him in the middle of a reads list, and this vote up to this point. I could be wrong about that but if someone wants to check I don't think I am VERY wrong about that.

I've backread a bit and I don't want to lunch taffy, mostly because I think their post building structure makes them a player that's possible to read for me.

More agreement with me, of course I'm going to like this.

Ender was vibing with me heavily on several town reads which unless I am heavily skill issue'd usually indicates town in my experience.

He could be playing around me though, I suppose. I don't think he'd bother.

Me defending my town reads.

vote: benneh

stop trying to kill my town reads tbh

I think this is looking like a pretty cool vote personally.

Benneh(3): Winston, cuth, Achro
Sk(2): Dya, katze
Katze (2): ender, SK
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Achro(1): Taffy
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Cape

After this, I will note, cuth then goes to me to ender. I should have burned them all metaphorically.

I liked that last big taffy post.

Likes my tr yes yes I like this.

I am going to make dinner, have fun at end of day and if you kill me it was fun playing with everyone again.

Wolf achro starves rather than missing a chance to fuck with a town.

(for legal purposes this is a joke)

Then I see the insomnia post and agree with SK, it made my nose wiggle so I sheeped and went to make dinner.

And that's EOD.

[Cuthillius]

Wolf achro starves rather than missing a chance to fuck with a town.

honestly props for having the guts to admit it

[Achro]

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender
Ender(3): benneh, katze, Cuth
insomnia(2): SK, Achro


Hmm.

Hmmmm.

lame day tbh

glgl

And I pop back in letting my thoughts be known lol

okay that's really eod

[Achro]

Could not even allow me the honor of being paranoid of that man after he let cape die. The wolves are monstrous.

Also hopefully ender tricked me.

I will look back later to see if I notice anything about day 1 that proves useful.

I'm fucking dumb and have gotten so used to talking about Semis format + my only game on here having a town poisoner my first thought was 'aww man, a town poisoner' since people were sussing ender.

I am going to skip over ... a lot of things that irked the fuck out of me lol

My town reads are not all allowed to be right day 1 so I need to figure out which one is the imposter and figure out two below. Although I think dya had a post I really liked and insomnia had one I hated so hnmyes.

1/2 isn't bad as far as re-evals go.

I have multiple other commitments that consumed my time. I think it isn't that hard to find these commitments if one tries if you know me but that is all I will say.

I was in 4 other mafia games lol I am sick please help.

(I am healthy and pushing my mental limits, ironically, but different type of sickness)

You were trying to kill my top town read. It isn't that complicated.

I confused insomnia with benneh lol. I am so good at mafia tbh

bruh are you guys alright?

i’ve villa read ender xD i never wolf read him.

Achro was not, in fact, alright.

then I voted katze and laid down lol

Yeah I didn't like the obvious claim but also if I am mixing things up then yeah. Down with cuth and katze

Ok gn

Needed more follow through tbh

vote: silverkeith

seems like i can sleepwalk another lunch

because it worked so well the first time?

like did no one else think it was weird that someone who wasnt post capped only showed up at EOD

@katze note dya's problem with this was my problem with it in real time. Like, yesterday (er day 1) I noted how shitty the thread felt so when you said that I was like "....really? a shrugyeet?"

i mean im not particularly unhappy with that eod so.. yes?

why are you snarking me when you agree with my vote

(...)

I hated the eod because I just felt a sense of doom the whole day. Your comment could have been about most people and I'd have gotten annoyed at it, from mafia philosophy.

Ah that was a bit of a joke you see. Intended as jest. A light hearted comment. The real read is in a thread full of several people who felt like either something was wrong or were trying to move things you had time to joke vote ladd. It felt like you were standing there knowing perfectly well the day was killing a town rather than a town trying to do something.

I tried to signal a few times to thread I felt like the game state was really bad but not only did you not notice you kind of were joking. Which is fine I guess it's just a game but if you are town actually trying to solve and win I am not seeing it in your process or your results atm.

You can only do so many 'sleep walk through the day' posts before I as a town player currently losing start thinking you are literally open wolfing because you probably do similar things as town.

So why I wanted questions is multiple times this game you have completely misread my intent so I am like 'hold up dont leave it to you' because in my head I am like 'oh god'

There are rarely one shrugyeet in achro games.

There are never 2.

I want a chill game too but if people want to shrugyeet again they can do it in a game I am not in.

Anyway will discuss more tomorrow. Eyes barely open.

Remains true even though I fought for the wrong team on this one. Shrugyeets were common on gamefaqs and it led to so many losses after I was n1'd they make me ITCH.

(also you sussed me early day 2 and asked rhetorically 'how does he believe the words he is saying' and my point to you now is 'ask about specific words and I will say, and if you dont like it fair enough but give me a chance to explain my very weird brain)

Oh, I missed some things in this wall

why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??

well, explained.

...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting

not my style tbh

i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs

I had you outside of my bottom 3 even though you were in my POE for day 1 wariness and I was growing suspicious of ladd so he was too below you, so someone I suspected going 'okay this villager (me) and this other ??? may have a wolf" it makes me squint.

and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS

Okay so the post is this:

ladd: I am not getting up out of bed for this

cape and katze: bring it on

difference check choo choo
and seriously what the FUCK is this

(I just missed this because I was unwell btw lmao oops)

So

I thought you and cape were trying to get thread moving: good good yes yes
Ladd was just sitting back: wolf ok with game state

I was a level off here, they were fine with cape but really a stronger villager later (like insomnia or ender) was what they were aiming for. Alas.

also I had like 5-6 fake claim posts day 1 and saying ladd would be shot tonight was supposed to be a fake vig claim, and also not my style as wolf at all.

you said 'awoo' to me understanding taffy was town. gdi lol

MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod

Your world view at the time is 'Achro sheeps wolf buddy on v/v wagons and then goes to make dinner'

I mean, it'd be an interesting choice ngl.

[katze]

So I attack SK on his first point, really the only one I can

this is super nitpicky and you're free to ignore it but this wording sounds like a weird perspective even though it kind of makes sense in context anyways

but im posting it anyway




uhhh i just realized i kinda got distracted and forgot to nitpick at that one wall earlier oops lol

[katze]

ill read over all the SK stuff in a bit too, trying to not information overload myself and i. still do want the other players outside the cross to do stuff today

[katze]

also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth

maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug

[Achro]

also my main reason for thinking you/winston makes more sense than you/benneh is solely the cross with cuth

maybe you believe that regardless of your teammate you win the game off this cross either in f5 or f3 but shrug

This makes sense.

But also I feel like I am just unpaired with both and also with SK given angle of attack and angle of retreat. It's such a stupid angle to take if I know SK is a wolf, but also to side eye winston over SK too? It's really doing the most day 1 when I don't particularly bus much day 1 when I can help it, and town was sleep walking through that eod if me/sk were both wolves tbh

[Achro]

Visor asks Benneh 'who after SK if wolf'

hopefully dvc

idk honestly, prob in the you/ahcro/katze triangle

Cool.

Anyway I got angry like an idiot zzz

Anyway, that being said good morning friends and foes alike.

I don’t really mind dying today if you all can’t gel with my world view, it’ll probably make each side happier and it is just a fun, chill game after all.

Anyway I found the Ladd kill a little odd at first, not that I would tunnel him or anything - that was mostly to reflect back on after the fact and see how people moved around others - but he was undoubtedly the leader yesterday who sent us into the rocks of a Cape kill.

So, why kill Ladd? I think it is either something else he posted, or what he would have thought after reflecting on the fact Cape was town over night. So I’m going to put my Ladd cap on and try to go over the thread a bit before I have to leave, not sure how much I will get done.

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

So in total I need to find 3 scum in 9 names

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Cuth
Benneh
Winston
Visor
Taffy
Dya

And my starting premise is Katze/Insomnia are unlikely to be w/w. Alright then.

My first town core slot is going to Taffy. 95% confidence on this one. For starters, I know personally my ability to perceive intent on who votes me has a stellar track record, I’d give that 90% by itself, but the thread state of poking Taffy a lot over what I thought was an interesting and towny way of voting me brings it up another 5%. I know they are a skilled player, so I leave myself open to being fooled as we haven’t played together before and that’s where my social reads are weakest, but as of this moment I think I’d just lose to Taffy for that play + the thread state around them.

Which that alone now makes my job reading day 1 kind of a lot easier. I now have 5 villagers in my head that I can see how the other 8 suspects interacted with to see who pushed pro-town agenda, who pushed anti-town agenda, who coasted along, and who is unclear even with this.

Cool, that’s a lot of data. But let’s try to add at least 1-2 more likely town to this list to make it even better.

I liked Cuth in general yesterday but soured in real time in EOD, however if Ender is willing to let that go so am I, who am I to OMGUS for another man? So I’ll put Cuth in my town pile.






I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK @nebjiamn

(This isn’t loaded I don’t understand)

Dya I warmed back on due to these posts:



Wolves typically complete assignments as asked, Katze asked for 5 names but said less was ok, and Dya took the opportunity to give less. Not hugely confident, but a note.




I felt yesterday this was like me - concerned about moving the thread. There was a lot of dead air around Cape and I am presuming Taffy yesterday, so when Dya had cuth listed because the thread wasn’t being moved I really liked that comment a lot. It felt like a non-obvious mindmeld of concern for the state of things. I didn’t feel pandered to or manipulated, although I don’t know dya’s complete wolf range it is enough for me to slot them into my town pile for now.

Ender (Poisond)
Taffy
Cuth
Dya


Current town pile, leaving me with:

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Benneh
Winston
Visor

3 wolves, 3 villagers. I do not believe Katze/Insomnia are paired.


I paused for a second to wonder what Visor is even talking about, and now my head is back to hurting.

SK probably has wolf equity. I was running strats at EOD and was handwaving people as towny/wolfy to try to see where the chaos led, my town read on SK was pretty weak tbh.

I will leave it here for now as I am overdoing it I think still, but my direction is pretty clear atm. Go through the thread and see how the above six moved around the other 7 players and try to find the 3 most pockety/predatory among them while keeping an eye out for signs of being partnered.

Cool.

So I review things and I realize 'okay, the SK town read at eod was pretty weak' which yeah, it was. I make the intuitive thought that perhaps all of the wolves were off of Cape (I think this is correct now) so I start breaking it down.

I thought benneh/sk were unaligned in this post due to how it felt like he was treating sk/dya the same but yeah, not liking my reason for really thinking SK was town at the time so back into the suspect pile he went.

Then visor said more things...

Lmao

*moves Winston to town pile*

I'm stupid okay I really thought that was a town poisoner claim lol

@EnderWiggin

Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.

I wanted to solve with ender because I trusted him, good decision making to want to solve with a slot you trust.

unvote: katze

Executive decision in my brain to leave katze for last in my thinking. I have devoted too much time to my second favorite MU champs winner, I will come back to them at the close of the show c

Good decision making.

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.

Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.

Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!

Like... I didn't want to be at lylo with this person who was tunneling me this is such a really weird out of the box way to get town cred lmao. I was being really sincere here. I felt like taffy was obv town but I just wasn't reaching them at all so I didn't want to be the game ending chop (oh boy)

vote: SK

I have decided katze is probably town whose marketing for this chop needs a lot of revisement.

But also I made a bad change of read eod and I will go back to sk being frozen and crying in wolf chat as in my current world view there are no viable teams that do not involve him.

Cool cool. Cool.

Good post. Great post. Katze just said it wrong, all times revolve around SK. We're good.

could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

(towntell)

I argue with visor some more, baffled how I did nothing for cape in his view.

Achro seething in Google docs rn

true

I just assumed they wouldn't claim the poison on ender as a wolf and called it a day myself. But maybe too shallow?

I am just stupid, katze. lol. I wasn't trying to push any weird narrative I just misread the intent all day.

i meant in general because I have no idea how to approach his posts for the most part and that extends beyond this game

I think this is dya agreeing with this take atp but lol

vote: silverkeith

for now in italics

me and visor agree, ok based

Brain too mush to give you questions rn. I'm trying to catch up and maybe will see something to ask you about.

Ender responds to me and I am like cool, we're going to solve together.

Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."

This... broke my brain. I had been struggling to get traction in the thread but was feeling a bit better day 2 and ender's sudden turn around from solving with me to voting with me just... ruined my mafia day real quick.

I... don't really want to discuss the rest of day 2 tbh because I went from this to thinking visor was red checked most of the day to after he wasnt red checked me just having a head full of confirmation bias. But reading this back... it kind of hurts that it was my top town read at the time that kind of demoralized me. He is just trying to solve the game, it isn't a blame thing, but... fuck. I was voting SK before this. This is where things started to go wrong.

[Achro]

@katze you and winston are my jury in my eyes atm. Is it okay if I move on to SOD3?

[Achro]

this is super nitpicky and you're free to ignore it but this wording sounds like a weird perspective even though it kind of makes sense in context anyways

but im posting it anyway




uhhh i just realized i kinda got distracted and forgot to nitpick at that one wall earlier oops lol

Well one is a difference in solving philosophy so I can just say 'nuh-uh' and the other SK had on the facts that I was wrong about him so like ... yeah I was, sure.

also I think I said earlier: it's not an achro game if I don't sound weird. I think I sound less weird as a wolf tbh because I am creative writing more.