13er summer game thread

[insomnia]

Please tell me why you believe this is?

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

[Achro]

@EnderWiggin

Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.

[Achro]

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

[Visor]

Vote: dyachei

[Totally not Taffy]

i actually vigged ladd n1 (/s)

im reacting like this because cape was a villa, ender is presumably a villa, and im misclearing some1

glgl

This makes no sense at all. Insomnia's EoD was very towny, he got Ender's soft early on, called out Cuthélion's bad vote and then stayed on Cape bc Ender was still at three votes and better to resolve a questionable town (Cape) than a probably PR. I mean it's so obviously the correct town play that I'd expect a wolf to do it for lamist reasons, but since noone has pointed it out before me Occam's razor says he's just town.

I actually assumed you'd moved to Cape for similar "let's not kill the PR D1" reasons, but then why would you not see this? And if not then what were you doing on Cape after being so dead set against that wagon earlier D1? This is boggling me but I still want to townread it because it would be stupid for wolf!Katze to encourage town to start looking for a wolf on the Cape wagon.

I have played a lot with Taffy and while it's not a 100% venn diagram, the games she gets heavily sussed early are often her town games. (She got voted out within 2 days in... all 3 of her first town games I think?)

Taking the follow on, initial townread because she was quickly becoming a consensus scumread behind Cape felt like a legitimately strong gamestate read despite it being early D1.

And I stand by that.

I don't know why but it really upsets me when you make reads like this.

Absolutely Choked with Weeds
Visor - Chill Visor is chill. Except that his care for banter or interest in playing around doesn't feel very high. It kind of reminds me when we wolved together when we both got covid vaccines on the same day. We clearly won that, but he preferred to play a chill water redirector than any sort of other play. Not an exact 1-for-1 but feels closer than any other thing I can recall with us playing together.

i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

I feel like I've seen Visor play exactly like this as both alignments tbh so what exactly are you two looking for?

I want a chill game too but if people want to shrugyeet again they can do it in a game I am not in.

Urge to shrugyeet Achro rising

Also Achro going "omg same" is actually worrying me more.

Where did he do that? I'm scrolling up but not seeing it.

[Winston Hughes]

this is incredibly wolfy for anyone paying attention

So, accepting that I'm even more of a dunce than Cuth, could you please explain this in terms that even I can follow?

[insomnia]

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

i guess my point is she is villagery

[insomnia]

So, accepting that I'm even more of a dunce than Cuth, could you please explain this in terms that even I can follow?

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho

[Achro]

i guess my point is she is villagery

Oh. I misunderstood I am sorry. I thought you were saying she should be more sussed. Got it. Yes same page on Taffy

[insomnia]

Winston, your worldview is a bit shaky for me atm. It’s tough to follow it

Can you point out a PoE or something? And where are you at on katze?

[Winston Hughes]

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho

I understand what happened. What I don't see is why Ender was obviously a PR.

(The whole PR hunting, breadcrumbing, softing, etc. bit is not something I have ever really bothered with - traditionally, my tastes are either pure mountainous or unique highly-thematic multiball insanity)

[nebjiamn]

Ender was obviously a PR for anyone paying attention, and cuth put him ahead

i made that post more as a heat of the moment thing tho

i mean, i was paying attention

is there a post ytou are referencing near eod or are you just saying the way he played was PR-ish, cause i did not pick up on that

nvm it doesn't matter

[insomnia]

he came in and had no intention of looking villagery

he had this air of “somebody other than me gotta die and i don’t care who it is” in a manner that screamed PR

i mean, he was a lead wagon at some point and he was telling the thread his vote options for self pres. He didn’t care to appear villagery cuz he knew he had the ace in his hand

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, your worldview is a bit shaky for me atm. It’s tough to follow it

It's pretty shaky for me too. I've only reached d2 as town twice in the last four years iirc, and both previous times were utter disasters, so I'm not exactly overflowing with confidence here.

Can you point out a PoE or something? And where are you at on katze?

I think katze and visor are most likely scum.

I think cuth is most likely town.

Beyond that, everything is up in the air.

[Achro]

unvote: katze

Executive decision in my brain to leave katze for last in my thinking. I have devoted too much time to my second favorite MU champs winner, I will come back to them at the close of the show c

[Visor]

It's pretty shaky for me too. I've only reached d2 as town twice in the last four years iirc, and both previous times were utter disasters, so I'm not exactly overflowing with confidence here.



I think katze and visor are most likely scum.

I think cuth is most likely town.

Beyond that, everything is up in the air.

woah thats like the opposite world view i have

talk to me about katze and cuth

[Winston Hughes]

woah thats like the opposite world view i have

talk to me about katze and cuth

no time for a full unpacking now, but katze is like the inverse of ladd: the latter vibed totally different from when he was scum in my last org game, whereas the former vibes exactly the same; i'm seeing the same tricks used for what appear to be the same purposes

cuth i thought scummy early on because he seemed more knowing, but as the day went on the usual cuthy vibes reappeared and i recognised that what i'd seen as knowing was more likely just greater maturity (bearing in mind that most of my meta for cuth is very old indeed)

[dyachei]

relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

[Totally not Taffy]

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

[dyachei]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

[Visor]

relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

i'm just feeling things out smh

walk me through sk (and his potential non me partners)

[dyachei]

i'm just feeling things out smh

walk me through sk (and his potential non me partners)

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting. Then he didn't post cap but waited until EOD post cap lifts to come back and play. it was a 48 phase and he wasn't interested in trying to solve until the last hour. I don't think his solving was very enlightened at that time either. Just read his EOD.

I wasn't feeling cape because tbh, cape came back and was like super aggressive about being a wolf read - he wasn't angry per him but he was accusing everyone else. SK fit the picture better but we ended up elimming cape instead. I couldnt be around at EOD to make this more clear becauase that's when we get AMy ready for bed

He could be partners with literally anyone

[nebjiamn]

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting.

i think he's just here for the zipline

[Achro]

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.





If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.




SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.

Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.

Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!

[Visor]

i dont disagree with anything you said, really

just looking for a tie that binds to someone else, if anyone feels connected to sk

[dyachei]

i think he's just here for the zipline

idk what this really means

[Visor]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

i havent been looking for it therefore i cant be a wolf

checkmate atheists

[nebjiamn]

idk what this really means

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havent seen that episode yet

[Totally not Taffy]

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.