Cereal killer mafia

[Visor]

His Wisdom vote felt like it could've been trying to not vote a partner idk.

Feels a little silly now he's flipped green.

idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

[Jan]

idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

Don't know for certain.

I gave her all the reasons to move away when I said not to sheep me. I just really don't think she is a wolf. But I am also the person she would be pocketing right now.

[Suibian]

I don't really feel that great and would rather be sleeping right now, so bear with me.

monty was fairly spewed from wagonomics (and i dont say this often lol)

still weird kill tho

I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)

I wish neither of the people who claimed had claimed though. I do believe Taffy's claim; I remember wondering what that Taffy hard claim post was about and wondered if there was a pr claim nestled in there or something but also wondered if that's how they emphasize that their posts are serious or something. Anyway, the tonal shift today feels real enough. Don't know why they think that the claim means they get to decide the wagons, but that makes me believe the claim even more. They should out who they healed by the end of the day though; it's true they're not confirmed town because of possible double-dipping but that information would be nice.

I like the way Syn claimed. Mostly that it was a super early claim that felt a bit town jumpy before seeing if any of the suspicion on them took off. Might want to believe this claim though because Monty makes more sense as a vig shot than a night kill.

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

I haven't drawn scum since 2017, so what scum me is going to look like is anyone's guess, but I was never a huge busser. I prefer keeping the team together as long as I can, especially considering the fact that I consider myself the weak link in any scum team. I do bus sometimes, but I'm pretty sure I'd have gone Monty yesterday if I were scum. Yeah I know self-meta, and I can really only guess now.

But I am also the person she would be pocketing right now.

If I could get up the nerve to post, this is probably true.

You still have wisdom decently town, right? Can you expand on that read?

Yes. That was before he sniped the wolf at eod chaos.

It went from "Sus visor" to reading at night and nodding and then "Ah, town visor."

Is he not known for bussing?

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What's a shroop read?

Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.

So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways

I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.

#203
I get pocket-y vibes here...

Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is )

Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor

As someone who overuses kinda myself, I feel like you wronged me a bit by saying I kinda voted. ^-^

What didn't you like about my Monty treatment? (The point about sleep bringing attention to something looking good feels a bit weird as I'm pretty sure we were just interacting about a read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.)

How was my response to Jan saying I need to be more competent pockety? (For the record, I think I have other posts that would be considered more pockety to Jan than that one, so I don't mind the pockety or even buddying accusation, I'm more interested in why that particular one caught your eye.)

I hate quote striping, not making long posts and my post length is going to vary in general. I quote striped then (and now) even though I hate it for two reasons. One is that we have a post cap of 50 posts per day, and I was saving as many posts as possible for eod as I didn't know how busy it was going to be. Two is that I'm trying not to be too obnoxious by making a bunch of posts in a row. I don't know what posting etiquette is at this site, and I've gotten warnings on other sites for posting too many times in a row, so I'm trying to contain catch-up posts.

Fair enuf

Not the fair enough scum tell!

[EnderWiggin]

Is he not known for bussing?

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What's a shroop read?

He is, but also he could've stayed on Wisdom and no one would've batted an eye. Visor is not an over-active busser.

Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

[Suibian]

Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

Thanks! This sounds as reliable as the "scum don't use contractions to try to make their reads sound more serious and believable" tell :P

[Visor]

The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me

Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?

[Suibian]

The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me

Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?

Jan - town. I’ve consistently liked his posts and feel good about him overall. I don’t feel a need to reevaluate this read today.

Ladd - weaker town read but I haven’t seen anything scummy. Good flow, good tone.

Rask - eh this is one I need to think about and reevaluate. My read was mostly he seemed fine and I didn’t understand what Monty was on about yesterday. I started doubting this when he wasn’t at eod yesterday, because I worried he was avoiding eod when he was a wagon and said he’d be here, but I think I mistook a sleep post for rask as their avatars look bit similar to me. So this is a lot of words to say idk but this is a read I wanted to look back at this day when I have the time after work.

[Suibian]

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though

I did eventually get better (but I'll never not be embarrassed about how terrible I was and I'm terrified that will be me again.)

You can try and watch how I respond to people trying to make a team game a solo act.

Or you can be a normal human being and make a case and get the added benefit that I think you are a villa.

This is a mood and makes me feel better about my read on you.

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I'm confused about Taffy's ender post in 362. I want to ask a question, but I'm zoning out and having a hard time finding the words, so kind a reminder for myself that I have a question here maybe.

I like Jan's interactions and responses regarding the claims.

wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?

Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

I agree with this take. Think there'd be more heat about a bus vote based on what was posted leading up to eod. Dammit I had another thought related to this but it left my head. Maybe I'll remember later.

Not that I'm saying ender is scum. It's a read that I do need to reevaluate because it was a tone read, and I need to make it a bit more substantial, but I kinda liked him saying that his scum range is yes and that he likes to make people paranoid. I guess if his scum range is yes, I shouldn't like it because would he really as scum be waving that in the face of someone who thinks he's town? But he said his scum range is yes so yes? Boh I still like the read though

yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

Oh but I like this explanation. I need to go back to eod.

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I still like the people I liked yesterday, but I need to reevaluate to make sure. I need sleep. Mondays are super long/busy days for me. I'll try to check in throughout the day, but I make no promises that I can be here earlier than about 2-3 hours before deadline.

Wisdom still feels fine? This isn't something I feel confident on as it's really often that the person I read as "they're fine?" tend to escape my notice until day three when I realize they're scum. lol. But I did like their most recent post when they say Visor might be a peasant and not a king. That might be an inside joke, but I dunno felt kinda townie.

I need to reread through Rask and I have a super weakness to people proclaiming they're town and not getting yeeted, and I should actually go back and make a read there.

I haven't seen anything concerning about sleep, but I also don't have a strong read there either. I want him to be town, and I do like his interactions with me, but sometimes I think I'm a little too cautious with my read on him and maybe I'm being that way right now so bleh.

I don't have any strong scum reads which means I'm probably writing off someone as fine who I shouldn't. Anyway I'm tired, I'll try to fix this tomorrow.

[Syn]

Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?

I think most people possess energy that is largely dependent on the team. I could answer more specifically about Wisdom, but it feels vaguely angleshoot-y and isn't a read you could or should believe me on anyway since it's based purely on personality/meta

[ladd]

I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)

this is a pretty villagery thought


i dunno, i was getting a bit worried about tammy cause idk them at all and getting by as a wolf by posting walls in such a slow game is a pretty easy strat (which is a bit unfari on my part cause its also a perfectly fine playstyle as a villager) but all their thoughts sound good/villagery to me and people who have meta there seem to believe tammy is just a villager so i am cool with them


i re read cape posts and i am gonna demote him 1 tier cause while they sound good, most of the good stuff is immediately after sub in and its pretty easy to post the way he has as a wolf i think. Don't see anything clearing tho i still feel guilty about mislunching him last game so i wont touch him today


i also did something i havent done in years and skimmed a rask wolf game for some meta. their posting here def feels better to me tho I think they have another gear if they are a villager and can fully clear themselves


also saw some minor cape/ender w/w looking stuff while reading back, wonder if that could make sense


right now i am at

v
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
visor
tammy

the rest
sleep -not sure how to read their play this game, feel like they have done nothing ai lol

wisdom - going back and forth. i am slightlyyyy more on them being v than w now i think

rask - similar to above sometimes i want to move them up and sometimes i wanna lunch them. right now i am more on the former but hope to see more between now and eod. if them/wisdom is v/v thats rough for the gamestate right now tho

ender - idk, objectively to me it's still the slot who has the wolfiest stuff but i also wanna honour visor read here

cape - never bee great at reading cape, wanna see more beyond the isos



not ordered

will be back before eod to pick a vote

vote:unvote

[Sleep]

idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

[Sleep]

do not have time to digest multiple wallposts tonite, i was told this would be a chill game! back at it tomorrow i guess

[Cape90]

do not have time to digest multiple wallposts tonite, i was told this would be a chill game! back at it tomorrow i guess

Yeah sorry, I mean, I mostly did that just to fully catch up with everyone just because I felt like i hadn't

[Raskolnikov]

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

Found this. Iirc the only mention about Ladd before that was that he had not posted many AI things. So potential TMI?

@Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Cape

[Suibian]

@Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?

I very much respect his scum game. I don't have a lot of in-game personal experience with him as scum. I think the majority of games we've played together have been us town together or me as scum with him as town. I can only think of one game off the top of my head where he was scum while I was town, but I have specced him as scum, either hydra'd or been in games with people who know him better than me and have given their reads on him and why, and talked a bit about his scum game when I've suspected him in games we've been in together. He's very capable as scum, and I just think that as scum he'd at least put more nominal effort in for his team. I don't think losing a team member day one would affect his wim, and the real only way I think he'd maybe dip like he has if is he trusted his partner to make it to the end. And that's a big maybe. He could just be having a bad game sure, but I'm having a hard time believing that he'd just dip in the way that he has as scum.

[Raskolnikov]

what are you seeing with syn that i'm not

tammy hates wolfing and everytime i've seen jan draw wolf in a mash he's phoned it in. obviously vastly different game environments but for someone who has been semi-retired for a long time he seemed eager to get into the thick of it in a way that is way more likely town

This is the only mention of Jan in Sleep's ISO fwiw.


There are a lot of back n forth with Suibian which don't feel ww to me but I'd like to be second guessed about this.


(conclusion: with the way this game has played out, I do think this makes it more likely for Jan to be the last scum over Suibian)

[Raskolnikov]

Ladd/Sleep:

3 posts mentionning Ladd in Sleep's ISO.

ladd basically feels like himself i don't think anything he's posted is super alignment indicative so far

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

I do think this one is a good one for Ladd. Because it feels like Sleep actually forgot he had not mentionned Ladd previously so is TMIing Ladd's alignment. (like I feel he would be more cautious for a read about a partner).

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy

- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point


unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now

this line from sleep about ladd's POE makes me double-down on Ender because Sleep was prolly aware at this point in the game that one wolf had to go deep because he wasn't end-gaming himself. So I don't see him +1ing a list with all the alive wolves POEed

[Raskolnikov]

tl;dr: Sleep's spews makes me think it's just Jan.

Now I am actually wondering at which point in this game Sleep gave up. ie at which point he just played with spew in mind to actually mess up late solving. Prolly SOD2?

hmm

[Raskolnikov]

l8r for another go at Jan's or Sui's ISO.

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Visor damn you btw. I have been coming back to the context of that el Barto vote from Suibian lately and I just don't think she would bus like that. It's not even done in a way she can claim cred out of it and clear herself. It just felt unnecesarry to me. though I am still considering it because u did lol.


actually I will just reread D1 because it feels to me that bus of el mighty Takhisis (el barto) and the context around it is the key.

[Raskolnikov]

will be considering elbarto and sleep treatment in my next ISOs too, just so many things to do rn lmao. and that baobab in my hand.

[ladd]

i'll post in ~24 hours