Cereal killer mafia

[Jan]

Oh yeah taffy super townread me lmao. Yeah idk why I'd N2 that.

sadly not true. taffy wanted you dead until you claimed pr. after that everyone townread/ignored you.
and if you killed taffy you did it to make sure you have a reason to be alive later in the game.

Also Sui pointed out that Sleep's laziness indicated it might be that he just trusted his partner to go the distance. Would that really be the case if he just lazily sheeped Ladd onto me and made me a top wagon?

If sleep is your partner that knows you have a claim clearing you today then the answer is yes.
and if ladd is a wolf then they didn't know for sure and it was a fine pile-on.

Directly calls out the idea of changing votes/shaking wagons when making the el barto post. Didn't properly show up for EOD and may not have seen the wagon turn into an actual wagon given it was stuck on 2 votes for a lot of the time. (I need to check this but trying to get as much as I can done before I need to get into things I have scheduled today.)

yeah this is why I said d2 that ladd was the most likely bus vote on el barto.

You both had eod1 that easily could be from a wolf. you voting monty last second to protect el barto and ladd with the easy distancing vote before el barto became an actual wagon.

Pick you or Jan to target during the day, not kill.

As in I would've prepared material.

I think that you as a wolf would feel reasonable to simply get the hammer today as long as people believe tammy dying was okay.

I also want to point out that Ladd really wants cred for how Sleep "TMI'd him as villager". Which is actually something I see wolves do where they do something specifically for x reaction and when they don't get that cred or reaction they keep pointing at it.

And he also has tried very hard to buddy up to you with his "Your posting really solidified this f3 for me, you posted so well in f3".

Which is how he's treated you a fuck ton this game.

I agree.

I think the later half he would do as either alignment because if he is a villager it is simply the truth and either way he wants to get me on his side.
A little bit of brownnosing never hurts there.

The sleep tmi is something I have noticed.

With all of this critique to your posts don't get me wrong I am still unsure. I think as a wolf your perception of your own game would be less off.
And I somewhat believe what you're saying and your frustration.
I am just not sure if your frustration comes from ladd turning on you today and you having to play or from you being stuck in f3 when you expected to die etc.
I think my best way to solve this is to either get a villa read on you or not.

Ladd to me is good at mimicking his playstyle as wolf (if he wants to) and the best way is to find his reads and if he was pushing wolves or villagers etc (and more importantly clearing wolves for bad reasons).
But this was basically a lone wolf game which means I simply cannot use that tool.

But if I can lock you as villa within the next couple of hours then my read on him is less important (and neither is the mechanical view)

[Gemma]

Votal 6.4

Ender (1) - ladd (#1310)
ladd (1) - Ender (#1329)

Votes are locked.

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[ladd]

I am here in 20 mins

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[ladd]

idk i think my case i already quoted from d2 on ender is petty spot on but i'll try to expand a bit:

This vote is still the worst. Justifications and also completely weirdly at odds with the tone of it. Even acknowledges it might be a copypasta.

I think I'll ignore if Monty was in the game or not because I can't be bothered to go remember which game it was to check. And also I forget things all the time so I can't *really* fault Monty if he just plain forgot that post.



This reaction to being called out about his post tho feels kinda off. Like a "Why single out meee!" kind of statement.



These are his only posts in thread so far, he cares more about how his vote is perceived than adding to any other content.

The next post is a meme response to my meme response which was... funny enough I guess but not the point.

And then again:


Monty's actual game talk has been (into page 3 already) only about his vote.



And again. I'm actually curious when he makes his first read/talk/whatever that isn't about the vote.

Then finally on page 6 he comments about posts other than the vote. (Which is already over half the day done.)

A lot of it is vague statements with a statement he has no "strong reads" and a pockety statement about "mindmelding scarily with a catch" with Taffy. (Notably the wolfreads didn't contain Rask. He makes no statement about this.)



I'll note that if I remember right I also townread Monty early on that game.

Not a strong argument but a dissimilarity to here.

And that's about all of Monty's posts.

Like idk about you but I'm not feeling like Monty cares about solving this game aside from making sure his vote doesn't look bad. He hasn't even tried to push on Rask. He's made more comments about how Rask reads his vote than that.

he calls every single monty post wolfy, while everything started from this:

Vote: Monty

I want you all to know I had to google my cereal.

which he then claimed was a serious vote


again, this is the classic example of a wolf turning a rvs vote in a full push

also, his push on monty is the same to the one he made on syn in this game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...er-GAME-THREAD) where they just stuck in a tunnel on a vilager and called everything from them wlfy


(i am sorry i tried to find the post but with this iso function it was impossible and i was wasting too much time)

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[ladd]

Eod1:

Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147), Sleep (#229), Ender (#256)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11), Monty (#274)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232)

I was gonna change votes but this is a 3-way tie and I like that.

EVEN BETTER

How could you Syn

Vote: El barto

sigh

Vote: Monty

Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming

thats all ender posted before sniing monty at :00

he did not ackwoledge the bart wagon AT ALL (and he had at least 5 minutes to do so, since barto was tied last 5 mins of the day)

he votes wisdom/monty, ackwoledge the vots on rask but says nothing on barto


again, classic wolf defending their teammate by attacking another villager instead of getting their hands dirty with a defense

[ladd]

other point:

ender voting you out yesterdy was optimal fo a wolf becaus ethen you have rask in f3 AND you break up the jan/suibian that are hard v reading each other

me voting out rask was suboptimal, i was gonna get into a super hard f3 regardless. i was prob gonna lose you/me/suibian and if i brought ender to f3 i coudlnt really imagine you would turn on him (i guess i could have hoped ender would vote you but i mean if that was the case...why did i vote him 6 hous into the day lmao). if i bring rask in f3 and mislunch you in f5 its a lot easier for me


i think ender said i didnt cause of you last post, but that was post was like at 2 am, i def had no plan on showing back up to change my vote lol

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[ladd]

and still on the argument of f3 votes - ender was probably 50-50 to vote me/you

i could have just waited and there was a chance i win by doing nothing

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[ladd]

really good post by ender, this gets to what i took issue with from monty but in more words than i could be bothered to use. just feels like monty is stalled in neutral

w/w eheh

ladd basically feels like himself i don't think anything he's posted is super alignment indicative so far

i dont think sleep would out of their way to call me specifically null when i was getting villa read (mostly) but ymmv

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

"sheeping ladd" is pretty unlikely to be w/w iyam

and they sheeped me on ender because they KNOW that ender has the claim so this vote probably gives them credit for end game(in fact i fell for it and called them not w/w d2)

[ladd]

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

again with the pocket

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[ladd]

Also Sui pointed out that Sleep's laziness indicated it might be that he just trusted his partner to go the distance. Would that really be the case if he just lazily sheeped Ladd onto me and made me a top wagon?

yes because you had the claim lol

Oh yeah taffy super townread me lmao. Yeah idk why I'd N2 that.

they died cause they claimed joat ldo

Zoned out and don't have any more time. I wanted to make some closing remarks but I just... am really annoyed I let ladd go when I was sussing him correctly. (Read changing was around the way he moved me down/sussed me the moment I started getting heat from other people and moved Rask down after he started getting heat. Both were people he called town and then was just like "I thought about it and changed my mind.")

my change on you was correct so i won't comment on it. it only makes sense to consider from the pov of villa you which isnt a real pov



but jesus, i gave rask every possible benefit of the doubt all game while they were pushed (i am sorry for the mislunch btw, i think you were super findable but i was just not getting to ender until f3). if you read my iso i changed my mind on them a ton of times and said both d2/d3 that i don't want them lunched at the end


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[ladd]

then we have the visor nk - visor was pushing ender/wisdom, if i am the wolf i keep him alive at least 1 more day to push 2 villagers

but instead he was 1) right on ender and 2) the perfect excuse for ender's fps play because visor is a spk, knows ender and voted the wolf d1


now if you are a villager and a pr and you gave a vest without knowing that the vest popped, would you really soft it in your 1st post of the day? what if visor is a wolf and just doesnt say anything and then kills you

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[ladd]

I like cape for villa more than sleep, i think


i have never been a good cape reader but i have been skimming a couple of wolf games on MU (i havent tried this hard in a ww game in a while lmao) and he is even more awkward as a wolf

Here I can mostly follow his thoughts and his jumping around and besides his terrible post about ender yday I have never really been pinged by him



sleep is a borderline impossible read for me this game cause they just don't feel very into it. So by default they are kinda the jolly when I have other people I feel good about being villa. Not a big fan of their pushes d1 (mostly the syn push) but thats all I got

otoh some posts make me think if they would really play it like this as a wolf so i dunno

sleep posting seemed slightly wolfy mostly cause the way they went on about being suspected everytime for silly reasons...doesnt really line up with how they played so far

throwing around that someone bussed but not really following it up with ~anything in that sense and instead pushing on cape doesnt inspire me with confidence either

cape pop in was w/e

I admit I am a sucker for rask posting, everytime they post I question if they are really a wolf lol but i think jan/suibian are both more be villa than rask still + you/syn knowing rask well and still thinking they are a wolf



I wouldnt really write off cape/sleep being w/w due to them voting each other today since if thats the team they have no way out anyway and no interactions before today seem non w/w afair

vote:sleep

gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time

i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong

personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them

vote:sleep

Sorry but the more i read the more you feel the odd one out and i get the feeling you regret subbing in the game (which is prob true regardless of your alignment i guess)


Gotta go for a bit but i have basically the week off work so i may even stay awake for eod who knows

Bbl

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if you think i had decided to buss my whole team this probaby arent gonna change the needle for you but I'll quote them anyway


i think they show i was genuinely evaluating sleep and not really going "let's buss and credit"

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[ladd]

i think i am done, if you have questions i am here another hourish then i gotta go fo like 3 hours minimum


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[Jan]

Sideways susses PZelda for a fake read.



Rask calls them out for voting Dya after that for no discernable reason.



Start of sus on me



When asked who the wolves are. (No Pzelda)



Changes vote to me when winds turn against me hard.



To Raskol pointing at HK/Logic/Pzelda as a trio.



Implies only HK should be removed.



More of above



Wagon on Pzelda solidifies. This is their response.



Joins Logic wagon when it spawns in.

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And that's about all the relevant posts.

I do find their position around PZ weird, but I admit I did have the impression they tied me to PZ more which...

Actually doesn't exist in their ISO.

the post you were referring to from the other game.

I looked through anything ender related until halfway through d2 (and he started the game thanking every other post which was beyond annoying to click through :P)

Enders playstyle in that game is casting a wider net I think.
And after a weird defense of his partner, he was very willing to bus pzelda 2/3 through d1.

I don't think he had a good chance to bus el barto this game with the way the wagon slowly evolved and didn't have a case attached to it.

[Jan]

i think i am done, if you have questions i am here another hourish then i gotta go fo like 3 hours minimum


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The real question is how much of a coward I am.

The cowards move is to vote for you because that would be the strict poe for the game.
And being wrong on you would be a whatever move.

Voting out ender as pr would be an actual feelsbad. I have to believe the whole story of vesting AND shooting Visor in the same night.
When he could have vested visor and just shot anywhere else and still get the same cred while having reduced somebody from the field that he was afraid of.

Pretty sure in that world he just has to ignore visor and hope ppl get paranoid because sinking a shot into the vest later is really awkward because visor was only confirmed in the game because he confirmed soaked a shot.


On the other hand I have no doubt in my mind that you played the more impactful game overall.

[ladd]

The real question is how much of a coward I am.

The cowards move is to vote for you because that would be the strict poe for the game.
And being wrong on you would be a whatever move.

Voting out ender as pr would be an actual feelsbad. I have to believe the whole story of vesting AND shooting Visor in the same night.
When he could have vested visor and just shot anywhere else and still get the same cred while having reduced somebody from the field that he was afraid of.

Pretty sure in that world he just has to ignore visor and hope ppl get paranoid because sinking a shot into the vest later is really awkward because visor was only confirmed in the game because he confirmed soaked a shot.


On the other hand I have no doubt in my mind that you played the more impactful game overall.

i mean i did the yolo move, so you can too lol


just ask yourself if the game makes more sense if i am a wolf or if ender is

there is also this visor post to give you strength (that was after ender claim):

am i a moron if when rereading d1

it makes me want to kill ender

LOL

[ladd]

like if you re read d1 (i am sure you already did) and read it as an ende/sleep team it makes so much sense

if you re read d1 and you read it as a sleep/ladd team it doesnt really make much sense (imo)


sure i bussed, but why didnt sleep buss too then? maybe i thought barto wouldnt become a wagon but then why do i just say its a plceholder, that gives me no credit

i have possible excuse to vote monty instead, why don't i just leave my vote on monty?




everyone this game had me as a villager, the only reason why we are even in this situaiton is cause of mech

[Jan]

i mean i did the yolo move, so you can too lol


just ask yourself if the game makes more sense if i am a wolf or if ender is

there is also this visor post to give you strength (that was after ender claim):

you are playing me like a fiddle right now.

I enjoy go big or go home sooo much.


But legit your timing today was pretty spot on if you are a wolf.
Because I very much thought the ender wolf world is something we need to talk about but you are 80% the wolf.
And right now I am lost and basically eating out of your hand and I do not know is this fruit is poisoned I just know it tastes so god damn sweet.



Live footage of Ladd talking to me on this day.

[ladd]

and like if my posting doesn't convince you to go over the mechanics look at my "mechanical " play last couple of days


yesterday remember that suibian was actually a hot topic and ender wanted them lunched the previous days (as did ask)

why do i as a wolf come in and pull up the receipts to hard clear them?



and then it's now f3. I won't argue about the suibian nk cause i probably would have killed you or suibian here if i was a wolf rather than have to play a me/you/suibian f3 but i have absolutely no reason to vote so early as a wolf


it's not like it was a situationi where ender was voting em for sure at all. hell, he was voting you just yesterday




and imagine what happens if ender actually gets you to go over yday? f3 is me/ender/rask and ender wins that 1 99%

[ladd]

you are playing me like a fiddle right now.

I enjoy go big or go home sooo much.


But legit your timing today was pretty spot on if you are a wolf.
Because I very much thought the ender wolf world is something we need to talk about but you are 80% the wolf.
And right now I am lost and basically eating out of your hand and I do not know is this fruit is poisoned I just know it tastes so god damn sweet.



Live footage of Ladd talking to me on this day.

it's not posioned :P

i am just saying things that objectively make sense



did ender even make 1 sound arguemnt for why i am a wolf lol

[Jan]

Fuck me.

GG

You win (either way).

Vote: EnderWiggin

Sorry to the village if I went from hero to zero today.
This was more struggle than any of you can imagine. I really didn't want to try this game and in the end I had to.

Don't hold back the mockery if I am wrong. I do enjoy a good gif. :P

[Gemma]

Stop posting.

[Gemma]

Votal 6.5

Ender (2) - ladd, Jan
ladd (1) - Ender

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Ender is yeeted. Flip incoming.

[Gemma]

Ender was:

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Cereal Killer 1-shot Vest Giver, in the form of:
Asesino en cereal Sigma
Cereal? Pfauh! You spit out cereal, what fetid, unwelcomed effluviums, what snickling, brabbling, wickedly waggling, uninvitable pleonasms, nor wheat nor oat nor rice shall accost your finedangling senseness! Begone, you say, and you prepare to torch them all to Hades. A diet of meat, for you, morning or evening, meat, yes! More meat! You are cereal killer Sigma.

::)::

A night like any other, you are wandering an idle street when you think you hear a voice mumbling something about… despots? How despots? Their words sound grandiose and absurd, but you are shaken. You immediately rush home, and by the time the front door closes to your back you are drenched in sweat. Something has awoken in you, as though a key were turned in a lock deep within the recesses of your soul, and you can never go back. Or, maybe… If you destroy that voice. Maybe then, you will find peace. Yes. You must. You must destroy all cereals. But first, a healthy morsel of meat for your best friend.

Once per game, during the night phase, you may target a player to give them a bulletproof vest.

You win when all cereals have been incinerated or nothing can stop the same.

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Flavor fakeclaim
Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Avena arrollada
Sometimes you are cooked into breakfast goop; when you are, you are excellent: with a sloop of maple syrup, or when buffeted by molasses, and your best friends are often many types of fruits, but never citrus. Other times, you find yourself packed into the deep bottom of a stoneware baking dish, suffused with fructal juices, or maybe melting into a soft chocolate goo on a cookie tray. Your name is rolled oats, and a little milk brings out the best in you.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

Only wolf left alive is the mod, town wins.


Jan's role PM:

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Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
All bran
Sometimes you look in the mirror and wonder why you are looking in the mirror, or you listen to recordings of your voice simply to feel unbearable. Your thoughts wander, and suddenly you are somewhere in Poland, or Czechia, and you are having intercourse with a stranger, or you are thinking about your lover having intercourse with a stranger, or you are looking at the curtains and wishing there were a pair of watchful eyes behind them in the shadows and that they belonged to your lover. Soviet soldiers are rapping on your bedroom door, but you are not embarrassed. You have been denounced. They will take you to a concentration camp full of dissidents, where you will dig tunnels and press your ear against the soil to listen for your lips’ whispers, which you imagine come from a ghost haunting the earth, or from yourself but in the past and buried far away. Maybe you taste better with strawberries, or maybe that’s just because strawberries taste better. You are all bran.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

ladd's role PM:

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Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Weetbix
A brick of wheat is you. A cattail is your next door neighbor, yet some venture to eat you dry and raw. In the Kangaroo continent, you are eaten by the twos and threes and counted as the most famous cereal in the country. You can be crushed into a hundred speckles of yourself or eaten whole, either accelerating or delaying your rapid transformation, upon the introduction of liquids, into a textureless excremound. You rank as the most likely cereal to be sworn at by Gordon Ramsay. You are Weetbix.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

[ladd]

nice vote jan


ggs all

sick fps play ender

[Gemma]

Ggs

[ladd]

and thx for hosting ofc

[Visor]

sick vote and f3 fellas

well played all

thanks for hosting gemma

wish i did better the day cape died, kinda just punted that lol

[Wisdom]

Holy smokes, well played Jan!
Thanks for the game!

[Jan]

nice vote jan


ggs all

sick fps play ender

Fuck me.

You did so well today.

I wanted to do this for the last 24 hours but locking in was so hard.

Us not finding the wolf at all made so much sense if we could not find the wolf until f3.