17er Saints and Martyrs

[Gemma]

Can we be best friends?

[Zack]

oh another thing, he talked a bunch about how rask was reading me but i don’t think he actually gave any thoughts on my posts besides that rask was wrong to call them pockety? tbh i kinda expected arctic would also think i was #lacking because he only knows me from turbos where he thinks i’m one of the strongest villagers and i wasn’t really posting like a strong villager which i feel like should have concerned him?

idk i might be wildin about this cuz people don’t seem to agree, would appreciate people talking about it esp the people that town read him

why would anyone expect you to be powervillaging in a chill light game that is super slow and has like 3 people making a nonzero amount of serious posts about the game

[dyachei]

don't tell GH but I am stoked he's playing again

also I think he's v so far but we're still in shitposting

[Zack]

don't tell GH but I am stoked he's playing again

also I think he's v so far but we're still in shitposting

based on what?

[Jan]

por que no los dos

whats your gh read tea leaves welcome

He made a point out of not playing the game.
I think any confident read on him right now is a stretch.

For a normal player I would say that at least 1 of his 10+ posts would have mild content as wolf just so he has something to point at while mocking others.
But that is not a real read and more me hoping gh is a villa for his own sake.

[Gemma]

update: early bedtime for me to continue to try head this off at the pass

I was actually gonna transition into gameplay mode this evening (no I wasn't, but I told myself I'd at least think about it) before this but that's gonna wait

hope you feel better gh / successfully head it off tahts what she said

[dyachei]

based on what?

gut feeling is part of it

also he's not tryharding and like...he tends to when he wolfs because he doesn't want to let his team down

[Hally]

why would anyone expect you to be powervillaging in a chill light game that is super slow and has like 3 people making a nonzero amount of serious posts about the game

i mean i don’t think he would expect me to power village necessarily but i wasn’t really doing anything and there’s a large gulf between doing nothing and power villaging lol

[Gemma]

He made a point out of not playing the game.
I think any confident read on him right now is a stretch.

For a normal player I would say that at least 1 of his 10+ posts would have mild content as wolf just so he has something to point at while mocking others.
But that is not a real read and more me hoping gh is a villa for his own sake.

wdym for a normal player

like gh palying normally or

also why for hiso wn sake does he not loike woofing

[Zack]

gut feeling is part of it

also he's not tryharding and like...he tends to when he wolfs because he doesn't want to let his team down

seems like a stretch and an odd thing to have as your first read when he has pretty explicitly done nothing

i mean gh is plenty tryhard as a villager too, usually when we're v/v i'll have poked fun at him for getting serious with tryhard reads so early

[Hally]

i do kinda agree that i feel like gh would at least have gestured towards giving a shit by now if he was a wolf lol

probably not a read that should matter after D1 but

[dyachei]

seems like a stretch and an odd thing to have as your first read when he has pretty explicitly done nothing

i mean gh is plenty tryhard as a villager too, usually when we're v/v i'll have poked fun at him for getting serious with tryhard reads so early

that's why i gave a caveat

GH tries harder as a wolf though and he likely would have tried to do something by now if he were a wolf. The very fact he's doing nothing is kind of a good look

[Jan]

wdym for a normal player

like gh palying normally or

also why for hiso wn sake does he not loike woofing

He barely plays these days as far as I know and coming back for a game as villager is overall less pressure.

Not basing it on "normal gh" just normal/average player. I don't think I know normal gh outside of the odd mash well enough to judge him.

You legit asked me to read tea leaves so all you get is tea leaves and some prayers.

[Jan]

i do kinda agree that i feel like gh would at least have gestured towards giving a shit by now if he was a wolf lol

probably not a read that should matter after D1 but

Let's be fair. Gh would need to be caught commiting a war crime to not make it to n1.

He is a general which really makes it more likely than anybody else here, but still...

[dyachei]

also kind of think zack coming at me for the is v!zack. He's more aggro with me when he's a villager

keep hating on my reads, zack

[Gemma]

He barely plays these days as far as I know and coming back for a game as villager is overall less pressure.

Not basing it on "normal gh" just normal/average player. I don't think I know normal gh outside of the odd mash well enough to judge him.

You legit asked me to read tea leaves so all you get is tea leaves and some prayers.

[nebjiamn]

Don’t really like dyas read on GH for reasons Zack kinda outlined and again I’m kinda frustrated he made the point before me but also just kinda accepting he’s a villager for pre-melding on my thoughts before I catch up with the thread

I just kinda think at best the read is wanting but I also feel like dya would temper the wanting a bit this early. Also feels like a struggly way to get into the thread groove

i I don’t wanna harp on it cause I’ll feel bad if wrong but ya

[nebjiamn]

Gemma seems ok

[dyachei]

Don’t really like dyas read on GH for reasons Zack kinda outlined and again I’m kinda frustrated he made the point before me but also just kinda accepting he’s a villager for pre-melding on my thoughts before I catch up with the thread

I just kinda think at best the read is wanting but I also feel like dya would temper the wanting a bit this early. Also feels like a struggly way to get into the thread groove

i I don’t wanna harp on it cause I’ll feel bad if wrong but ya

time to feel bad then

It's a real read I have and yeah there's some want there because the best time I've ever had in a game was when Jan and GH were both village in 2017's anni

But it's also based on what I know about GH and just because it's wanting doesn't make it less valid

[Arctic]

i have like the exact opposite read from you guys on arctic’s string of posts just now lol

i don’t get why he’s harping on rask’s push so much. afaict the actual crux of rask’s read is more so that i’m underwhelming and mostly just joking around with people / not being the power villager of ye olden days. seems like a completely fine observation to me? but arctic seems to be ignoring the actual gist of what rask is saying and just focusing on him initially saying i was pockety (which i agree is not the right word to describe my play but i think get what he meant now)

also he said he’s wolf reading rask for “susing the entire game” but 1) rask is not really doing that imo and 2) even if he was, that would be villagery not wolfy especially when the main targets are stronger players, which i think arctic should know

idk feels like he’s trying hard to paint rask as wolfy when there’s nothing really there imo


tangential kinda but i kinda get w/w vibes from how arctic is talking about logic. like how he soft defends logic by saying he could say logic is just posting like himself too (does arctic even know logic?) then is at the same time going at rask saying that if anyone is busing logic it’s rask. like wat


in other news, uhh as i was walking home just now i got assaulted by this random guy (i’m fine, just a bit shaken up) so that’s fun. but on the bright side i get to work from home tomorrow because we’re getting a snowstorm

nice argument
one small problem

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Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

also wtf i hope ur good thats crazy

[dyachei]

ben seems to want to read me as a wolf this game

[Jan]

Gemma seems ok

Unsure. I read agenda but I don't have enough to add alignment.

[Zack]

for reasons Zack kinda outlined and again I’m kinda frustrated he made the point before me but also just kinda accepting he’s a villager for pre-melding on my thoughts before I catch up with the thread

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[Gemma]

Logic is being sussed for being Logic so wouldn't surprise me rn.

eh yeah not the most amazing popst ig

[Gemma]

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??? how do you have so many of these tis amazing

[Zack]

i mean i dunno, i feel like i could say the same about logic (which is ironically what you all jumped on ender for even though i kinda agree with his assessment)

but even if i was misinterpreting that last post i don't think being french explains the sus on hally or how it feels like they're fos'ing like the entire game

just to be clear, ender's post was bad because it was dismissive and felt disingenuous in an agenda'd / trying to control the narrative kind of way / suggesting my read was fallacious and bad but without pushing or suspecting me

it's just the kind of post where i read it and immediately think wow, a wolf probably made this post

i dont care if someone townreads logic or doesnt wanna kill him, i mean whatever it's like a quarter into day people dont need to agree with me

[Arctic]

umm but seriously speaking

even if the main reason for rask's push is being underwhelming, that's not much better either? because everyone is underwhelming lol. half the list isn't even playing yet. it's a light game and everyone's kinda messing around, so i don't think it makes sense to single you out for this. i also don't know if i'd consider this wolfy for you even if you weren't the only person doing this because i'm used to you kinda doing nothing in turbos on day 1 as town and trying harder as mafia

it did feel like rask was sussing a lot of people - he said he felt meh on you and benneh and sussed me, logic, and murska - that's 5 people, and maybe they aren't fleshed out wolfreads but the implication is still kinda there. and idk i'm just kinda predisposed to wolfread this personally cuz i got off a wolfgame where i kinda did the same game, and "how easy this person is to push" wasn't something i really thought about at this early of a stage, wolves don't need to push everyone they wolfread, they just need to sow the seeds and see what sticks

i have played with logic before yes, once, and i incorrectly suspected him in that game mostly because of the way he spoke in binary/absolute terms and seeming generally awkward in the way he came across, so i haven't found the pushes on him in this game convincing even though i don't townread him either. i said that about rask cuz i thought they were acting in a way that's w/w with logic even though i don't wolfread logic - that is, trying to milk cred for pushing him when he's barely done that (but according to everyone this is just a joke so w/e), and also his last post about me is implying a townread because of a preflip of logic wolf if i understand correctly. so yeah

oh and answering 209 at the same time - wait actually i kinda already answered this, i don't really think you lacking is wolfy because of my experience with you in turbos

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Arctic

Okay I actually take back my earlier read

[EnderWiggin]

just to be clear, ender's post was bad because it was dismissive and felt disingenuous in an agenda'd / trying to control the narrative kind of way / suggesting my read was fallacious and bad but without pushing or suspecting me

it's just the kind of post where i read it and immediately think wow, a wolf probably made this post

i dont care if someone townreads logic or doesnt wanna kill him, i mean whatever it's like a quarter into day people dont need to agree with me

Would be a pity if the reason I didn't push or suspect you was because I very overtly townread you.

[Arctic]

I guess I agree with the take that GH would probably feel more pressured to do something here as mafia but dya's first read being this over anything else is pretty bad imo

I don't think I like anything gemma has posted either