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Ok, this post. This is the post where I got fed up enough about Logic to stop caring about staking myself to his alignment in this game.

The "godread", so to speak, came into being at some point around 2018 (2019?) and peaked in 2020 during a team game where my team (feat. Zack and Visor, all of whom have a good amount of experience with Logic and can typically read him well) hardlocked him as a villager pretty early in d1 and fought off a number of pushes on him. We were n1'd in that game after having effectively perfect reads (this part isn't critical to the post but I just wanted to brag about it :laserlissa:) and the strength of our read held until something ridiculously late like D6 when his slot got POE'd and flipped town.

Later in 2020 into 2021, things took a turn for the worse, coinciding with a stretch of wolf rands I had in games with Logic. Sometimes he was my partner. Sometimes he was town. And buddy, let me tell you, those games, with that read being known as it was, was rough to play around lol. If we were w/v, I knew I couldn't push him because it would insta-out me after he flipped (and he would flip early because I'd be the one pushing him lol), and if I cleared him, he would be spewed town. If we were w/w, I couldn't bus him and if I tried to clear him it would instantly look suspicious after either of us flipped. People were immediately looking to me for an insta-read on the slot and it sucked lol. Logic progressively became aware of it and I think even he will freely say that he leaned on its accuracy in order to resolve my slot. I eventually disclaimed the "godread" aspect but that was like a month or two before I quit playing so I don't think it took hold. Notably, I'm not sure *Logic* was ever made aware of said disclaiming it.

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So I stop playing, come back for this, and Logic's in the game! Cool, Logic is my friend. My first thought is "please don't rand wolf". My second is "please don't rand wolf specifically so I don't have to pick back up the Logic song and dance". Mission accomplished, I randed town (no, really, I did! would I lie? ). I was gonna take it nice and easy, not force any reads, just let the game come to me and hopefully that would be enough to get me villaread (oops).

The way I read Logic is a combination of factors, but it has nothing to do with his actual reads, their consistency (which he's been dinged for this game), or quality. That has never factored in for me. Back in years past, it was primarily based around depth of thought, which I believe Zack alluded to on D1. But there was a gradual shift in his game and mine, and now that's less useful for me. Instead, it's primarily based on "is he classically wolfy?" Was there awkward tiptoeing interactions? Was there a weird case on someone? If the answer was yes, look for the force behind it - if it seemed like he really believed in it, it meant he was probably town, regardless of the actual consistency or quality of the case. If the answer was no, it was a potential bus.

The first half of d1, when I was shitposting, I was monitoring Logic's posts. They didn't look good. I didn't want to say anything because a) I wanted to give him time to turn it around, and b) I was still shitposting lol. But I definitely said that first irl night that if he posted overnight and didn't improve, I was gonna come in and dumpster in.

But that overnight, they did improve. It was enough for me to get my read turned around on him. It seemed like he wasn't just kind of poking people with a limp noodle but actually hitting what he perceived as bad posts with some teeth. So I made my read in the thread, figured that I'd get backup from Zack and Visor (who can also read him well, remember), and that would be a nice jump-off point for me getting into the rest of the game.

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It didn't quite happen that way. Zack had the complete opposite POV, we got into an argument about it, Logic became a major topic of discussion, and I felt myself being dragged back into that world where I HAD to get the read right if I was to have any chance in the game. It was a position I was in a lot as villa in my final games in 2021 before I stopped playing, and now, here it was supercharged: the guy I had a reputation for reading well, going up against a) the consensus top town, b) someone else who could also read him well, and c) a good friend. Great. lol

I was tired of it, man. I wanted to play mafia. I didn't want to play around Logic's alignment for the fourteenth consecutive game, on d1, and have that dictate the remainder of my future itg. And yes, behind the scenes, Zack's confidence on Logic (and Visor's too, to a lesser extent) did shake me for a bit and had me reconsidering. Did I express any of this in the thread? of course not lol. I guess I was just hoping that the Logic thing would blow over on its own.

Well, fast forward to d2 and obviously the Logic thing has very much not blown over, as we can see here. Zack died overnight, so he and I couldn't chat about it. Visor's been afk all phase. I was still monitoring Logic's posts but was honestly vacillating as to what I believed in. One stretch looked wolfy and had me question everything. Another stretch made me feel better about him. Back and forth it went.

And then Logic dropped the post I quoted above (remember that post? I'll wait while you scroll back up) and it had all the same stuff in it that frustrated me back in the day: the overly leaning on my read of him to make a read on me. My perception of him coasting depending on my judgement of him. I read it and I got fed up with it. So I made that post faking that I had made some sort of revelation as to his alignment in order to just kill off discussion for an irl day and to get people looking elsewhere because otherwise it was gonna be the second consecutive gameday of The Great Logic Debate which, just, god I was so not in the mood for.

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I don't know what Logic's alignment is. Gun to head, I still think he's town, but there's doubt. There's doubt because otherwise my POE is, like, exactly [dya/visor]/Gemma/Vanta, which if that's actually the team I'd be shocked, and idk where to go after that. There's doubt because Logic has not been sustainedly villagery like he was in that one team game back in 2020. There's doubt because it's been years since I've actually seen him in a game.

I just want it to be done with. I just want to know what Logic's alignment is so I can determine my footing in the thread for the rest of the game and see exactly how long I need to spend preparing my apology to Zack in postgame, whether it's just a couple minutes, or, like, an hour. It doesn't matter as much because Visor is likely dying today which means the Logic debate will continue, but I'm washing my hands of it. Decide and be done with it. The shield is removed. I'm not saying he's a wolf. I'm saying idk lol. I'm free. The godread is dead. If he's a wolf then I'm dying in short order after and at least I get the satisfaction of knowing that I'll never be lashed to this stupid read again if I ever play again. If he's town then at least I was right.
thanks. give me a minute to digest this and i'll respond to you shortly with my thoughts