17er Saints and Martyrs

[nebjiamn]

This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.

why not?

[Raskolnikov]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

lol he is a potatoe :p

I don't think his read was as strong as you make it to be honnestly. (and to be fair I am including it in my thinking, like I am way more soft toward Wisdom toDay than I was yesterday, and I am mostly waiting for both them and Gemma to produce AI stuff)

[Hally]

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs

bro relax lol

calling it an accusation is putting more on it than i was intending, i just don’t want ladd’s read to get lost cuz i’m still not really there on wisdom being a wolf (though i acknowledge i haven’t done my due diligence yet)


ftr i have you at about the same level as arctic/rask (maybe slightly below them)

[Raskolnikov]

unrelevant to stuff but I have this on a tab since a while and I am laughing so y

im aware enough as a wolf to not post like that but no you're not stupid for thinking it

from a hosting point of view though i just feel really bad for the wolves and thats NAI for me lol. not only did a mislunch candidate rand PR, they randed a fucked up version of one

counterpoint: it has worked so far

[Wisdom]

honestly?
I don't want gemma today.
I am turning around on visor at the moment. and very afraid the poe is simply trash.
And I really should not have reread bennehs iso. It is not that great. (some say it is bad buy I can't listen to those voices in my head right now)

If this is w/w/v I don't really get the nk.
I've seen nothing that hints about Jan being PR.
Jan pushed Benneh before dying though, and it makes me a bit sad because Benneh is defending me and I just wanna shrug him town :(

Someone called him obv town d1 though?
I haven't really seen anything pingy from him either.
Hmm not feeling w!Benneh right now but I'll keep it in mind.
(Inb4 Jan is screaming to us to kill Benneh in dvc)

[Wisdom]

why not?

Because my brain is starting to get tired again and I don't remember why I called him town when I ISO'd him overnigh ^^'
And, like, the more I read the more I think everyone except Gemma is town. Ender/Rask/Murska are more town though.

Vote: Gemma

[Raskolnikov]

This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.

? what is it about lol?

I was the first to vote him and call him a wolf D2 (lol I was in the middle of 9 hours drive thinking at the game and I specifically stopped to post close to SOD. (I just checked, Jan had him POEd too while you had one wolf among three people including Visor, which isn't the same thing)).

I mean sure, solve everybody but I am curious why I am such an hard read here as opposed to games where you found me easily.

[Raskolnikov]

lol this sounds agro Wis, sorry. I am just gueninely puzzled at what you are doing. (agenda? no agenda? that sort of things in my head rn)

[nebjiamn]

If this is w/w/v I don't really get the nk.
I've seen nothing that hints about Jan being PR.
Jan pushed Benneh before dying though, and it makes me a bit sad because Benneh is defending me and I just wanna shrug him town :(

Someone called him obv town d1 though?
I haven't really seen anything pingy from him either.
Hmm not feeling w!Benneh right now but I'll keep it in mind.
(Inb4 Jan is screaming to us to kill Benneh in dvc)

:awkwardyikes:

[Wisdom]

? what is it about lol?

I was the first to vote him and call him a wolf D2 (lol I was in the middle of 9 hours drive thinking at the game and I specifically stopped to post close to SOD. (I just checked, Jan had him POEd too while you had one wolf among three people including Visor, which isn't the same thing)).

I mean sure, solve everybody but I am curious why I am such an hard read here as opposed to games where you found me easily.

I hope you remember that one time you got buried by everyone d1 and I had no clue that you were wolfing. I think that was 3 or 4 games ago. Last game I instantly found you town because you went balistic on me, so I'm not sure that counts :P

But yeah it's more of a "cover my grounds" reads right now, because I can read you so I make sure that I read you correctly. Right now it feels like I can't read Benneh/Hally/Dya and even though they've all been town read by people who claim they know how to read them, everything points to there being a wolf in those three (unless it's exactly Gemma/Vanta, which I'm not really entertaining right now, I probably should).

Usually I can read people based on how they interact with me, and by that metric both Benneh and Hally should be town.

Hmm what if I order it like this

Murska
Rask
Ender

Benneh
Hally

Vanta
Arctic

Gemma

The towniest thing Arctic has going for him is his EoD2 but I can see that come from a wolf, in addition to some other things I'm used to see from town!Arctic that I haven't really seen this game.

[Raskolnikov]

vote gemma with me sil vous plait

No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe

Vote:Benneh (I don't recall his name here soz)

Vote: nebjiamn

i don;t really expect this to get off the ground but #yolo

Science.

Vote: Benneh

Vote: benneh


Alea iacta est

Maybe I am missing something @Benneh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

[nebjiamn]

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

[Wisdom]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.

If I've ISO'd Vanta correctly then this is the only time he says anything about Gemma outside of one "I'm not sold on Gemma" and putting her in the middle of his read list a few times.

From this PoV it looks possible for Vanta and Gemma to be partnered.

[Raskolnikov]

I hope you remember that one time you got buried by everyone d1 and I had no clue that you were wolfing. I think that was 3 or 4 games ago.

I do. It was JC's invitationnal at MU 2 years ago (lol 3 - 4 games). The pack was stacked with Yoloswag/Mac and someone else I can't remember rn (sorry pal) but we got rolled over lmao. (town was amazing)

talk to me about what town notes Arctic hasn't hit (first game with him personnally) pls

[nebjiamn]

Maybe I am missing something @Benneh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

its really hard for me to see that as w/v/v/v. idt its likely to be wisdom/ender together but i feel like there's a decent chance of 1 wolf

if its 3 villas w/ visor then lolus i guess, pretty rough villaging iyam

[Wisdom]

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

[Hally]

The towniest thing Arctic has going for him is his EoD2 but I can see that come from a wolf, in addition to some other things I'm used to see from town!Arctic that I haven't really seen this game.

arctic is never a wolf, you can feel free to blame me if wrong

his wolf meta is to hard wolfside/power wolf, and he did the opposite of that re: syn/visor (and gemma too if we assume they’re flipping wolf)

would have to be a complete 180 from his wolf mojo

also his posts are super villagery even without meta, what is he missing that you expect v!arctic to have?

[nebjiamn]

Maybe I am missing something @Benneh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

wdyt about what i wrote re: his gemma push being unlikely to go over because visor knew villagers would be reluctant to vote a softed PR?

[Raskolnikov]

btw either I've been misgendering Vanta for 2 years or you are guys.

[nebjiamn]

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

i vibe with this statement a lot, ya

games gonna suck if gemma is v. missing on gh/logic/gemma would be super rough

[Wisdom]

I do. It was JC's invitationnal at MU 2 years ago (lol 3 - 4 games). The pack was stacked with Yoloswag/Mac and someone else I can't remember rn (sorry pal) but we got rolled over lmao. (town was amazing)

talk to me about what town notes Arctic hasn't hit (first game with him personnally) pls

Well, we only play 1-2 games per year together!

I take a lot of cred for that victory despite not finding you!
I think the final two were Michelle/YOLO and I put all my d3/d4 effort into making JC realize that him hard defending YOLO was the wrong way to go.

I have played normal games with Arctic a few times, mostly on FoL, but my meta is almost only based on turbos sadly. But there he is more to the point, kind of crude and borderline aggressive. Here he is very floaty and bouncy and cute. It doesn't make me wolf read him per se, but it makes it harder to town read him.

[Wisdom]

Apologies if I've misgendered anyone! I don't know how to see gender/pronouns here or if it even exists!

[Raskolnikov]

wdyt about what i wrote re: his gemma push being unlikely to go over because visor knew villagers would be reluctant to vote a softed PR?

Basically all his posts after the one I quoted (and there are like a dozen or so) are "yeet Gemma" in various shades of chop.

so hard to tell. The thing is he couldn't have missed the soft (or what you and Jan took for a claim) so either he believed it and pushed there even to fail because it's still prowolf agenda and avoid spews, but then we have to wonder why Gemma is still around not posting smh.

Or Gemma is a wolf

[Wisdom]

i dont actually have any intention of voting gh at eod because something something bropass or whatever

i wanted to just sheep visor but i also dont really want to vote vanta idk why

not yoting hally/rask/zack/jan/ender today

dya is happiness kryptonite so not touching that

Bolded strengthens Gemma/Vanta world

Cursive looks quite pockety and not w/w

[nebjiamn]

ok wisdom probly v

you win ladd

[Raskolnikov]

Well, we only play 1-2 games per year together!

I take a lot of cred for that victory despite not finding you!
I think the final two were Michelle/YOLO and I put all my d3/d4 effort into making JC realize that him hard defending YOLO was the wrong way to go.

I have played normal games with Arctic a few times, mostly on FoL, but my meta is almost only based on turbos sadly. But there he is more to the point, kind of crude and borderline aggressive. Here he is very floaty and bouncy and cute. It doesn't make me wolf read him per se, but it makes it harder to town read him.

oh Michelle! what a player!

What did you think of Arctic's D1?

[nebjiamn]

rask, any thoughts on dya and hally? (i know you prob mentioned it earlier, sorry if true)

[Wisdom]

oh Michelle! what a player!

What did you think of Arctic's D1?

I remember nothing from Arctic's D1 despite just reading through the day, and I can't even go through my ISO to remind myself (this is how I usually keep track on things, don't tell anyone) >_>

I think it's time for me to take a break from thread ^^'

[Raskolnikov]

rask, any thoughts on dya and hally? (i know you prob mentioned it earlier, sorry if true)

out of POE tbh. I don't think Dya's posting fits particularly ( she keeps coming back to stuff they have posted in a towny way for instance)

[Raskolnikov]

I remember nothing from Arctic's D1 despite just reading through the day, and I can't even go through my ISO to remind myself (this is how I usually keep track on things, don't tell anyone) >_>

I think it's time for me to take a break from thread ^^'

sure, take you time ;) (I'll be waiting - insert music notes here)