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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.
    GTH what's the exact team in your opinion?

  2. #1232

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom View Post
    GTH what's the exact team in your opinion?


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  3. #1233

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    idk how you can say in this post that i don't have anything to say about logic in a post i am talking about logic lol
    LOL nvm im dumb
    but it still stands for Gh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    i dunno why u keep posting stuff like this regardless of your alignment but i will tell you nobody finds it villagery so you don't need to bother
    Oh yeah well now I'm going to post stuff like this even harder

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  5. #1235

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    LOL nvm im dumb
    but it still stands for Gh
    yeah i don't really have a lot to say on GH that is going to be useful

    for the most part i actually find his posts decent -there is nothing particularly wolfy about them and i buy his long winded detailed thoughts about zack for the most part

    ofc zack would be the easiest person he could write about this game

    i don't find his actions around logic particularly surprising in any direction

    perhaps the only true issue i could take with his posts are that i don't feel like he's found a calling of his own this game in terms of a narrative he thinks is true or a read he thinks is central to the game, which is maybe a sign that he's a wolf who is rusty but i also don't really get that feeling from his posts either, like his posts are fine enough when it comes down to it

    gun to head i'd probably just call him a villager, but i'm also in the scenario where i know i am being pushed on by a bunch of people of who some have to be villagers, so when he feels like he's also in the outer ring with me and that something has to be wrong that people aren;t getting, it makes me biased towards making that read

    i don't really like the idea of being wrong on gh lol, i wouldn't take my read with any weight, i just think its possible he got off on the wrong foot with people this game for various reasons

    the alternative is obv he sees himself as next in line once i die and is trying to basically ally with me as a fight the poe brother in order to move the onus elsewhere esp because if im around i will always draw the attention

    and if thats the case i am in a bad position to push that read ofc

    but tentatively, no i think his posts are okay

    i do think that logic/gh/me are all villagers at this point and that the poe is obviously wrong but i kinda also think this logic/gh/me ish angle is being pushed to the extent that it feels like a narrative being pushed

    ymmv, perhaps i will have to die for people to consider elsewhere, but more than likely people will either kill those two afterwards because one MUST be a wolf, or they will blame the wrong people because they don't want to admit they've made poor decisions

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    Also "nobody" finds it villagery lmao

    Genuinely a wolfy way of putting it
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
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  7. #1237

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    i really don't know why i am botherign to still post given there is no chance i do not die but w/e lol ask your questions while you got me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    i really don't know why i am botherign to still post given there is no chance i do not die but w/e lol ask your questions while you got me
    i dunno why u keep posting stuff like this regardless of your alignment but i will tell you nobody finds it villagery so you don't need to bother
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
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  9. #1239

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    gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

    just on a game state level

    i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

    i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point

  10. #1240

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    i dunno why u keep posting stuff like this regardless of your alignment but i will tell you nobody finds it villagery so you don't need to bother
    i dunno why u keep posting stuff like this regardless of your alignment but i will tell you nobody finds it villagery so you don't need to bother

  11. #1241

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    yeah i don't really have a lot to say on GH that is going to be useful

    for the most part i actually find his posts decent -there is nothing particularly wolfy about them and i buy his long winded detailed thoughts about zack for the most part

    ofc zack would be the easiest person he could write about this game

    i don't find his actions around logic particularly surprising in any direction

    perhaps the only true issue i could take with his posts are that i don't feel like he's found a calling of his own this game in terms of a narrative he thinks is true or a read he thinks is central to the game, which is maybe a sign that he's a wolf who is rusty but i also don't really get that feeling from his posts either, like his posts are fine enough when it comes down to it

    gun to head i'd probably just call him a villager, but i'm also in the scenario where i know i am being pushed on by a bunch of people of who some have to be villagers, so when he feels like he's also in the outer ring with me and that something has to be wrong that people aren;t getting, it makes me biased towards making that read

    i don't really like the idea of being wrong on gh lol, i wouldn't take my read with any weight, i just think its possible he got off on the wrong foot with people this game for various reasons

    the alternative is obv he sees himself as next in line once i die and is trying to basically ally with me as a fight the poe brother in order to move the onus elsewhere esp because if im around i will always draw the attention

    and if thats the case i am in a bad position to push that read ofc

    but tentatively, no i think his posts are okay

    i do think that logic/gh/me are all villagers at this point and that the poe is obviously wrong but i kinda also think this logic/gh/me ish angle is being pushed to the extent that it feels like a narrative being pushed

    ymmv, perhaps i will have to die for people to consider elsewhere, but more than likely people will either kill those two afterwards because one MUST be a wolf, or they will blame the wrong people because they don't want to admit they've made poor decisions
    meh im kinda falling for this post a little
    but then who's a wolf other than gemma if you're townreading the entire poe? i feel like you should have some more urgency about the state of the game if this is what you believe but it's hard to tell since you've been afk

  12. #1242

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

    just on a game state level

    i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

    i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point
    Yeah. When benneh openly asked people to hammer you early my read that was hollow in the first place kind of started to crumble.
    I still have Rask Ladd wisdom ender as solid villas.

    Dya should be villa too.

    There is a real world where you were correct on murska and only die because of a pr claim and because you picked the wrong wolf D1.

    But it is really hard to reconsider slots like that this early and you have not been an undisputed ray of sunshine either.

  13. #1243

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

    just on a game state level

    i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

    i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point
    this is a hard sell for me cuz they've both seemed rlly villagery

    why them specifically? is it cuz they're forcing the kill on you? why is that wolfy if you think the entire consensus poe is town and they could just.. kill anyone in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

    just on a game state level

    i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

    i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point
    I did have the thought about benneh last "night" while you were starting to cook and I started feeling better about you, one of his chief responses to my wall was pooh poohing the fact that I had him in my tinfoil town category and internally I was like "relax buddy, you're still well above my poe line"

    At the time he said he thought he should have received more credit for helping construct the generally accepted town core and I was like ok fair, I didn't really focus on that part when I was going over your posts, that could be a valid point

    But what if the town core just sucks?

    Obviously Rask and ladd are good but I have 100% pulled that exact move as a wolf, demanding to be townread for putting together what would in retrospect be an absolutely terrible towncore/poe, so I'm kind of naturally on the lookout for that and am wondering if he stole my move

    It's obviously something that can't be resolved right away but it is something to keep in mind

    Also need to get ready for errands now so I'm probably done for an hour+, but should be back for eod
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    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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  15. #1245

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    this is a hard sell for me cuz they've both seemed rlly villagery

    why them specifically? is it cuz they're forcing the kill on you? why is that wolfy if you think the entire consensus poe is town and they could just.. kill anyone in it?
    I rechecked bennehs D1 again and honestly most of why I thought he was villa was because Zack was obvious villa and benneh was the weirdo standing next to Zack for most of the day.
    His D1 was not actually great.

  16. #1246

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    meh im kinda falling for this post a little
    but then who's a wolf other than gemma if you're townreading the entire poe? i feel like you should have some more urgency about the state of the game if this is what you believe but it's hard to tell since you've been afk
    urgency based on what? my role in this game ends in 2 hours lol

    i will be an ex villager, pining for the fjords

    let me give you a rough rundown of where im at


    Ladd
    Raskolnikov

    Vanta Black

    GH
    Logic

    Dyachei
    Jan

    Murska

    Arctic
    Ender
    Wisdom

    Hally
    Benneh

    Gemma

    i don't know if thats exactly it but its roughly where i feel

    i've come around on jan a bit caus ehe kinda is feeling a little free (?) and reminds me a bit of lsat game where he didn't really do anything as a villa but just sorta sat there

    ender weirdly enough though defending me is probably doing it in the wolfiest manner though im not sure i could articulate why lol

    don't really know how to feel on dya atm, need to reread idk if i will get around to it

    wisdom might be my other sneaky wolf candidate too, still don't think those posts d1 were great

  17. #1247

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    this is a hard sell for me cuz they've both seemed rlly villagery

    why them specifically? is it cuz they're forcing the kill on you? why is that wolfy if you think the entire consensus poe is town and they could just.. kill anyone in it?
    part of it is the way they've done it (i think look to how hally talks to logic about me with the ridicule about considering me not a wolf)

    its not about making the correct read its about locking the thread into a state of making a particular read if you get what im saying?

    i don't really understand your argument - when i die they can STILL push logic/gh but the thread sentiment is as such towards in me in part because ladd has been pushing me so i don't see why it is a surprise as to why i am being locked in as this is the prime time to actually kill me

    you basically get to kill me with clean hands with a ladd push lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    Yeah. When benneh openly asked people to hammer you early my read that was hollow in the first place kind of started to crumble.
    I still have Rask Ladd wisdom ender as solid villas.

    Dya should be villa too.

    There is a real world where you were correct on murska and only die because of a pr claim and because you picked the wrong wolf D1.

    But it is really hard to reconsider slots like that this early and you have not been an undisputed ray of sunshine either.
    if i was right on murska hopefully it becomes clearer with more flips

    for now i am just gonna leave it, its not my problem anymore

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    i would also maybe expect more indecisivity (is that word?) towards me from hally/benneh

  20. #1250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    i would also maybe expect more indecisivity (is that word?) towards me from hally/benneh
    The thread felt a bit like a circle jerk earlier, but that is to be expected when the two main suspects at the time don't talk and the people in thread are basically an echo chamber of the same read(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    The thread felt a bit like a circle jerk earlier, but that is to be expected when the two main suspects at the time don't talk and the people in thread are basically an echo chamber of the same read(s).
    yeah i get it

  22. #1252

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

    just on a game state level

    i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

    i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point
    I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.

    Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.

    BAH

  23. #1253

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic View Post
    i feel like townreading vanta is a pretty weird thing for visor to enter the thread with



    i dunno why you think he can't be defending you to look good
    you say because "he has to solve the game as a wolf in this world"
    what does this mean?

    i don't really have thoughts on anything else visor posted and i'm gonna vote him closer to eod cuz i don't really want anyone else except GH rn

    but if we miss today i think gemma should probably clarify tomorrow since i have also felt bad about them the entire game

    @Visor i don't really expect you to have a full worldview since you've been pretty afk but if you feel strongly about anything then say it now
    i agree with your read on vanta but admittedly for different reasons with some slight overlap

    i'm surprised you don't have anything to say about logic or GH? those are the main points of contention other than you..
    just realised i didnt explain this earlier

    so logic can definitely be defending me to look good (i even say that iirc) but logic tends to struggle to have actual conviction as a wolf and go beyond sort of surface level takes

    his wolf game has definitely improved over time from where it was but i feel like the conviction he is showing (in the face of various consensus strong players) is not the way wolf him usually plays

    does that make things clearer? wolf him has to find another push in this world when he could just push me and for someone who struggles to have conviction it would be easy to push me esp cause i pushed him d1 as well

    not sure if what i am saying makes sense

  24. #1254

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom View Post
    I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.

    Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.

    BAH
    vote gemma with me sil vous plait

  25. #1255

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    vote gemma with me sil vous plait
    No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe

  26. #1256

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    Vote:Benneh (I don't recall his name here soz)

  27. #1257

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    Vote: nebjiamn

    i don;t really expect this to get off the ground but #yolo

  28. #1258

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    Eh yeah maybe I wanna leave Visor's nuts to Benneh lol


    Vote Count

    Visor (4) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
    Gemma (2) : GH, Ender
    Benneh (2) : Wisdom, Visor
    Logic (1) : Dyachei
    Arctic (1) : Logic

    Haven't voted: Murska, Arctic, Ladd, Jan, Gemma


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    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov View Post
    Vote: Visor
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom View Post
    Vote: Visor
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Vote: Dya
    Quote Originally Posted by nebjiamn View Post
    Vote: Visor
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally View Post
    vote: visor
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    vote: logic
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Vote: Arctic
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Vote: Gemma
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    Vote: Gemma
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Vote: Logic
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Unvote: Dya
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Vote: Arctic
    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    Vote: gemma
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Vote: Gemma
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanta Black View Post
    vote: Visor
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom View Post
    Vote:Benneh
    Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
    Vote: nebjiamn


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    Science.

    Vote: Benneh

  30. #1260

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom View Post
    GTH what's the exact team in your opinion?
    Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?

    So it's more like:

    Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH

    And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.

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