17er Saints and Martyrs

[dyachei]

I mean that in this game syn was always going to die. He would never have made it as far as Gemma did even with a fake claim or soft like she did

So no it wasn't a vanity core especially since others were considering voting here

Honestly if you're town you're really disappointing me with your recollection of events

[Arctic]

can you guys save posts for later because im gonna make a case after i get back from the shops and i want ppl to be able to give thoughts

[Raskolnikov]

I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.

Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.

BAH

Vote:Benneh (I don't recall his name here soz)

@Wisdom: Can you remind me the context of your switch off Visor to Benneh, rn it's totally unclear to me why you started townreading Visor (specifically when you had your very own reasons to sus him D1 and didn't seem to factor in Syn's flip and his treatment of the slot) and wolfreading Benneh.

[nebjiamn]

rather than wolf casing people could i get some perspectives from others on who they would towncase

you need 5 villagers to win the game, 4 if you count yourself but if you can get to 5+you then even better

preferably we'd hit the wolf today but i'm a little more interested in talking about who we think the last 2 clears are because i feel like towncasing is going to be more reliable/maybe more valuable if we yeet a player and they end up flipping v here. their wolf reads are gonna be a bit cloudy anyway

[Raskolnikov]

Gemma/Visor are two nice wagons imo.

I'm sad that I missed the party where it was fun to meme about GH being a wolf! I spent my morning reading that wall for nothing!

After reading everyone's posts with great detail I have confidently concluded that there are no wolves in this game

and these are posts that happened just before.

[Raskolnikov]

I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.

Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.

BAH

Gemma/Visor are two nice wagons imo.

I'm sad that I missed the party where it was fun to meme about GH being a wolf! I spent my morning reading that wall for nothing!

rather than wolf casing people could i get some perspectives from others on who they would towncase

you need 5 villagers to win the game, 4 if you count yourself but if you can get to 5+you then even better

preferably we'd hit the wolf today but i'm a little more interested in talking about who we think the last 2 clears are because i feel like towncasing is going to be more reliable/maybe more valuable if we yeet a player and they end up flipping v here. their wolf reads are gonna be a bit cloudy anyway

I've done it (the post just after my shitpost about Hally/Dya), maybe I'll take time to add more words but basically you/hally/Arctic/Ender is my villa core rn.

[dyachei]

I think ender is spewed clear from the wolves so I'm at arctic, benneh, rask, ender are villager and you can yeet the rest. Including me if you must but I'm still not a wolf

[nebjiamn]

alright

i hope you guys are right on ender

[nebjiamn]

dya fypov does hally need you out of the game to win?

i don't really know if she bothers to write that huge post about you as a wolf today ?

but maybe theres something to it fypov

[nebjiamn]

like arctic is pushing hard on wisdom and there are probably enough votes to shrugyeet vanta and hally is already deep enough in the towncore but not deep enough that itll be weird if she's alive in f3

it just feels like she really believes you are a wolf here and wants you out now because they're a villager with a read rather than a wolf who either needs you dead today or is setting you up ?for f3/5

[nebjiamn]

i realize its prob frustrating to be asked "why aren't you clearing the person tunneling you?" but i'd appreciate if you could flesh out your read on her

(also inb4 hally complains i called it a tunnel but ykwim)

[nebjiamn]

I think ender is spewed clear from the wolves so I'm at arctic, benneh, rask, ender are villager and you can yeet the rest. Including me if you must but I'm still not a wolf

also just to clarify, we cannot actually yeet the rest including you

we have 2 mislunches before a sleep/mylo so we can only kill 3 ppl, not 4

it feels like this will end in an abysmal f3 of like ender/vanta/hally or something but hopefully we win before that is an issue

[nebjiamn]

oh also ill just say that sleep may not actually be the right move at f4 if it gets there in case wolves were holstering some KP or have some late game conditional like the last 10er where cuth was holstering (like .0001% chance at this point but i still feel like pointing it out for discussion rather than us potentially sleepwalking into a loss)

i have to think we'd have seen it by now since this was a much larger game that has gone on much longer already but just in case.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom: Can you remind me the context of your switch off Visor to Benneh, rn it's totally unclear to me why you started townreading Visor (specifically when you had your very own reasons to sus him D1 and didn't seem to factor in Syn's flip and his treatment of the slot) and wolfreading Benneh.

It was quite a spur of the moment thing and a bit of me being a fool.

Earlier d2 I thought "Visor is afk because wolf!him knows he'll post his way out of getting yeeted in EoD, and despite that I kinda resonated with his posts. He went ham on Gemma and said he sussed Ben/Hally (who I also sussed a bit at the time) and I thought that if Visor is a wolf here he pushes Gemma to get a full claim and has a wolf mate in Benneh/Hally for distancing purposes, so I changed to Benneh to see how Visor would respond to that.

Then I was erased from time and space and didn't get to do anything with it. I didn't really plan to end on Benneh, I just wanted to see if Visor was fine with going there after sussing him.

Could be worth noting that at the time my switch from Visor to Benneh, I realized that I needed to bring a present to a party that I was already late to, so my mind wasn't really in the game even before I left thread.

[Wisdom]

Town core for me is [Ender/Rask -> Hally/Benneh] leaving a PoE of [Arctic/Dya/Vanta]

[nebjiamn]

Town core for me is [Ender/Rask -> Hally/Benneh] leaving a PoE of [Arctic/Dya/Vanta]

i would highly highly implore you to clear arctic over ender or hally in case you are v and i die tonight

he's much further out of his wolf meta than either of them imo

[Arctic]

I wrote half of what I wanted but then I hero'ed a turbo so I'll finish later

[dyachei]

i realize its prob frustrating to be asked "why aren't you clearing the person tunneling you?" but i'd appreciate if you could flesh out your read on her

(also inb4 hally complains i called it a tunnel but ykwim)

She's been gunning for me all game and I'm a need miselim. Just read her iso yourself. I can't clear her because she's been posting about her reads and then casually mentions me as a wolf like...all game. Idk that I have time to get the receipts for you though. I think there are enough people v reading me that she's worried she can't do it closer to end game especially if she kills people like rask who are willing to vote for me.

That's why I can't clear her. I think it's most likely vanta or wisdom though

[Vanta Black]

I'm worried about vanta not as worried about ender. Worried about wisdom.

Hally concerns me though because her case is obviously biased. Just things to keep in mind because very few people are solving when I flip v and are hoping this ends the game (hint it doesn't)

Don't worry about Vanta, just vote Wisdom.

[Wisdom]

i would highly highly implore you to clear arctic over ender or hally in case you are v and i die tonight

he's much further out of his wolf meta than either of them imo

Put him in the town pile then, hopefully it doesn't matter. Ender's still town tho!

[Wisdom]

Don't worry about Vanta, just vote Wisdom.

What's your plan after my flip?

[Vanta Black]

Really thought youse guys were gonna maj me after Hally got done, in my sleep. But since I'm here, my towncore is Rask, Hally, Arctic, Benneh. I'm not so sure about Ender, dyachie, wisdom. Did I leave anyone out? I feel like I left someone out.

Ender: doubts arise because so many of his posts have been jokey and a lot of them, well it sems like a lot, have been jokes about how he's all furry and stuff. I know the purpose of this kind of repartee is "okay haha I am saying I'm a wolf because obviously it is impossible that I'm a woof because as a woof I would never say this" but there were so many of these that it kind of piqued my interest. Meta-wise, it also seemed like Ender was less curious and not as pushy as the town player known to me as Bladescape. (Meta reads garbage reads though.)

I was focusing on Ender and Wisdom and not even thinking about Dya until Hally's wallpost, and then I went to sleep. Will look there now but note that I'm also flooping around 'cause it's Saturday.

[Vanta Black]

What's your plan after my flip?

Celebrate the win? Mourn the non-win?

[Vanta Black]

What's your plan after my flip?

Ah I should have asked this first, what is your plan after my flip?

[Wisdom]

Ah I should have asked this first, what is your plan after my flip?

Yeet Dya, since I believe the last wolf is in one of you two (hence why I'm voting Dya).

My point is that I'm not the wolf, and if you ain't either and I go first you'll need to prepare for that :3

[Vanta Black]

Yeet Dya, since I believe the last wolf is in one of you two (hence why I'm voting Dya).

My point is that I'm not the wolf, and if you ain't either and I go first you'll need to prepare for that :3

So your first response after my flip is yeet Dya, because you know my flip's not ending the game, got it.

[Vanta Black]

Here's where my head is: Hally's WP was very good, and left me believing Hally reallu believes it.

Wisdom's response to Hallly's WP was to immediately vote and I read into that vote "oh good a better suspect than Vanta."

[Vanta Black]

Gonna go make Eggs Benedict for brunch, y'all can maj me if you want, in fact I think you should, it will clear things up. I'm pretty confident about my POE but there's always the chance I have been bamboozled by one of my towncore.

[Raskolnikov]

It was quite a spur of the moment thing and a bit of me being a fool.

Earlier d2 I thought "Visor is afk because wolf!him knows he'll post his way out of getting yeeted in EoD, and despite that I kinda resonated with his posts. He went ham on Gemma and said he sussed Ben/Hally (who I also sussed a bit at the time) and I thought that if Visor is a wolf here he pushes Gemma to get a full claim and has a wolf mate in Benneh/Hally for distancing purposes, so I changed to Benneh to see how Visor would respond to that.

Then I was erased from time and space and didn't get to do anything with it. I didn't really plan to end on Benneh, I just wanted to see if Visor was fine with going there after sussing him.

Could be worth noting that at the time my switch from Visor to Benneh, I realized that I needed to bring a present to a party that I was already late to, so my mind wasn't really in the game even before I left thread.

Tx. Did you state itt your sus on Hally/Ben?

[dyachei]

Unvote

Vote: wisdom

Idk vanta seems pure rn and wisdoms immediate acceptance of hallys case was weird.