Tarot Mafia

[Wisdom]

I don't have any further insights atm but I'm crushing my friends in Mage Quit!

[Arctic]

postcap not being lifted for eod is kinda hellish and maybe a mistake honestly

town:

arctic
grr
stett
newcomb
ladd
insomnia
bopolis
wisdom
dya
ender

last villa for a winning towncore is between syn based on my own read or jan if i sheep people, probably safer to go with jan ngl

might read isos to get a more definitive answer but it's definitely not any of the rest

[Wisdom]

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

Towny post and overall nice reads. I didn't really feel that Bop's push on me was in good faith so I'd place him close to the bottom, but the rest is reasonable.

[Maple]

anyway loading into a game of league with a bad bitch gonna try not to feed

we're getting absolutely cooked lads

[Montmorency]

does the votecount tell you anything if you are a villager who hasn't read anything?

if you have read something then disregard but i usually feel like opening with wanting to know the votecount is more of a wolf thing because wolves know who their teammates are and town has to read to find that information out

Vote spread could most readily be t/t, but I would go with Gemma of the pair so far. Maybe their early game engagement, the parts I'm caught up on, was too superficial in the context of the immediate content delving of the other active posters.

[Montmorency]

Ben and Bop are lovers

Actually, I'm a Lover.

i've been playing on this site for nearly 13 years and in my experience the setups usually have around 40% mafia with most villagers having kp to make up for it

What was your previous account?

[Newcomb]

Gonna save the rest of my posts for closer to EoD.

Basically where i'm at with what we're doing today is, I'm not super thrilled with knights but i'm not moving. Gemma can defend herself i'm sure; or at least i'm sure that what you're gonna get with gemma is what you're gonna get.

The spookier / more interesting worlds I like considering, I like the thoughts, but to do something like sunbae here i'm gonna need more than that. Like, sell me on the world, or sell me on the smoking gun or something.

[grr]

Towny post and overall nice reads. I didn't really feel that Bop's push on me was in good faith so I'd place him close to the bottom, but the rest is reasonable.

@Wisdom

Can I ask why you so easily binning that push as bad faith? Wondering because I know u as someone who tends to be biased towards their pushers, or at least tries to be very careful/fair with assessing them? Did anything change for you in your mentality there or something?
Also your v-read on me felt like came very easily, you usually struggle to find me as a villager, could you explain what changed here too?

I am decently certain bop is a villager for something completely unrelated tho.

[Wisdom]

I don't think I'll be able to play more tonight so just some last thoughts.

Jan is bleeding town and it's about far more than his opening, which in itself is enough to warrant the Wisdom D1 town lock tbh.

Other than that I don't have anyone I really want to bank the game on being town, but Newcomb, Ladd, Ender, Rask and grr are all up there. Yeeting Sunbae and Stett is probably a bad idea too.

Gemma is good enough to end my vote on but it sure sucks to miss the most fun/important part of the game.

Kinda surprised that there haven't really been any real spice so far (except grr pushing newcomb) but the game is fun and you're all awesome so I don't mind :3

With that I wish y'all a good night! <3 Stay hyped and hydrated!

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom

Can I ask why you so easily binning that push as bad faith? Wondering because I know u as someone who tends to be biased towards their pushers, or at least tries to be very careful/fair with assessing them? Did anything change for you in your mentality there or something?
Also your v-read on me felt like came very easily, you usually struggle to find me as a villager, could you explain what changed here too?

I am decently certain bop is a villager for something completely unrelated tho.

Pushing me for locking Jan town based on one post is a very safe and easy move. Adding "Having a 9 people PoE is wolfy" (I think 9 is winnable?) just seemed forced. Yeah a lot of times I can see where people comes from and I'm used to it being a way to read others, but here it just seemed like he decided I was wolf. Others corrected him and he just doubled down without adressing their counterpoints.

I know I've read a few towny posts from him as well though, it's just that his push on me left a sour raste in my mouth.

You seem like you're just doing your own thing and I find it towny, questioning my read is towny, sussing Newcomb was towny, your general vibe is towny, you're cute, I dunno :3 Now that you say it the last part is what you've fooled me with before (like 3 years ago?) but weh!

[Maple]

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? @Maple

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

Yeah that makes more sense, and is sort of what I guessed you meant. Honestly, I'm not getting a whole lot of signals to force action elsewhere, though I have been looking for it. I don't think going for Cobalt in this gamestate would be much different, though based on the newcomb shield (iirc) and stuff like that Cobalt doesn't seem to be under threat.

I could see rask as someone interesting here, but presenting what I have there at present would look fairly thin.

[Maple]

what in the hedge is this lmao

can you reword this/expand on this pls? i have no idea what you're saying ngl

In general, I see what you're trying to do and assuming you're a villager I can see getting stuck when approaching the game in that way.

This however doesn't put you out of wolf range. So I don't yet have a concrete alignment read yet.

[insomnia]

why ladd more so than sunbae?

i know ladd more than i do sunbae

i don't have a grand case or anything, but i think the way he pokes a little at benneh / knights for show and then still lands up on the most uninspiring slots without any visible conclusion on the previous ones to be wolfy

my initial reasoning for having him wolf was because i feel like he was taking pot shots at sheep by pocketing newcomb who was doing nothing but simply asking sheep questions (and the reason i had newcomb wolfy was cuz those questions seemed really general, but im starting to think he's better, like i said)
@ladd since i also saw you asking me the same thing. i had this post typed out on my PC but i had someone come over and i couldn't post til now

[insomnia]

oops, i thought i had this thought typed out, but i guess i didn't

also, the way in which ladd made the post on sheep pinged me as wolfier for him because it shows his process and i think that's wolfier when he shows everyone his process rather than applying that process and we can figure out from how he's asking questions or pushing things. if that makes sense to anyone

[insomnia]

Vote: Gemma

barring she somehow becomes villagerier or wants to post thoughts, this will probably remain my vote. not sacrificing knights when the CW doesn't even try to be villagery

[insomnia]

I am more or less at this


Sheep posts wrt knights pinged me a bit about wanting it TOO much, like in some places it seemed like it started from the assumption

E.g. i think dya opening is neutral--> knkghts pushing it is wolfy

Idk i find the confidence and reasoning of his knights read a bit backwards (starts frkm knights wolf and thrn justifies it)

But (here comes the hedge eheh) when i used to play woth sheep like 3-4 years ago i mislunched them a bunch so ya



Surprised knigts has no read on sheep push on them tbh

this is the post im talking about

it's trying a little too hard to land on the showmanship side (of showing his process more than applying it while thinking about the game) imo. could be wrong

like referencing the "starts from knights wolfread then justifies it" is a thing he probably applies in games but never actually says it ime. that's what i mean by the thing being a lot more for show than genuine, sorta "im thinking about the game guise". but it looked like you took advantage of newcomb poking him a little and chiming in without any solid reason to be there

[Maple]

1. dyachei
2. Arctic
3. Didistetter
4. Vanta Black
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
8. Hally (ladd)
9. Jan
10. Gemma
11. grr
12. EnderWiggin
13. insomnia
14. Wisdom
15. Syn
16. ColonelLubriderm
17. Newcomb
18. Maple
19. Montmorency
20. Theknightsofneeee
21. C0balt
22. sheepsaysmeep

Hm, so people I'd be disappointed to see die as of right this moment, I suppose, might look like

Arctic
Dist (I can't remember the s name yall are calling him so I'm sticking with dist)
Ben
Sunbae
Ladd
Jan
Grr
Bop
Newcomb

Going for a second pass let's see
Dya I have no read, between ranges, there's a couple flags I haven't seen yet that'd tilt this into v off meta-vibes (as opposed to a meta read) but we'll see if those proc

Vanta I don't really care? There's like 1 post I remember liking off inquisitiveness and that's it

Sunbae I'm back and forth on, I can see where vbae is coming from this game but the whole backfoot cause newcomb thing is interesting. I don't think I have enough time to fully process thus set of interactions.

Rask I'm shrug on, I recall like 2 good posts and I *know* I could twist a case on the guy and make it convincing, but just cause I think I can kill someone doesn't make them a wolf

Jan is in a very awkward place for me, ranges-wise. Feels like v!Jan but I've been getting some vague vibes that worry me, so keeping him around is for the best for now. I'm just getting flashbacks to some mash we played together and I had similar vibes but I don't actually remember what his alignment was in it

Gemma I poked once or twice and they seem like a shelled off player. I'm not getting much from them and that's presumably deliberate. I'm sure there's some Gemma readers in the building so I don't have to.

Ender literally 0 read, don't remember a single post or what their pfp looks like

Insomnia eh dude wants to not die, I guess just let him not die for a day and see what happens, what's the worst that could happen? I have deeper thoughts here but I'm on mobile and I'm lazy and I doubt anyone cares about my read here atm

Wisdom idk feels different for me. Hard to put my finger on, but I haven't been getting anything that makes me want to save the slot so w/e

Syn no read

Monte no read

Knights is going to be boiled at eod, and if he's villager hopefully makes it out alive

Cobalt no read

Sheep I was getting pretty close to putting him into the first group but about 1/3 of the stuff he's posted in the second half of day has pinged me, details pending


As you can guess, my wim to finish this post went down over time so details definitely get more scarce the further down I went. Mm there's no one I'm itching to kill at the moment.

Any suggestions on iso?

[Vanta Black]

Autosaved my buns.

[grr]

Pushing me for locking Jan town based on one post is a very safe and easy move. Adding "Having a 9 people PoE is wolfy" (I think 9 is winnable?) just seemed forced. Yeah a lot of times I can see where people comes from and I'm used to it being a way to read others, but here it just seemed like he decided I was wolf. Others corrected him and he just doubled down without adressing their counterpoints.

I know I've read a few towny posts from him as well though, it's just that his push on me left a sour raste in my mouth.

You seem like you're just doing your own thing and I find it towny, questioning my read is towny, sussing Newcomb was towny, your general vibe is towny, you're cute, I dunno :3 Now that you say it the last part is what you've fooled me with before (like 3 years ago?) but weh!

lol wisdom, that was anni '23 and i fooled you by... funnily enough, tunneling you. you struggle with v-reading me when im waffling and being cringe and lamist which is more my v-meta :P

doing my own thing is like, idk. yea sure im doing my own thing ig.

postcap not being lifted for eod is kinda hellish and maybe a mistake honestly

town:

arctic
grr
stett
newcomb
ladd
insomnia
bopolis
wisdom
dya
ender

last villa for a winning towncore is between syn based on my own read or jan if i sheep people, probably safer to go with jan ngl

might read isos to get a more definitive answer but it's definitely not any of the rest

@Arctic
I kinda like ur post so im towncoring you for no reason (i think this is also strategically just correct anyway, and honestly im just villareading u i dont know why im such a pussycat about vreading u every game hehe). But umm, I feel like my entire solve is in your "winning towncore" so one of is us very wrong

I have an issue with newcombs last GTH "readslist" (i know it wasnt reads just thoughts, but that isnt my issue). It was like, really bland and specifically the take on you I did not like because it was basically mischaracterizing you as a babbler and I think your post are, at large, after that one comment Newcomb quoted early in the game, easy to read, and direct.

I think Jan and Newcomb have huge partner equity. Wisdom I kinda wolfread atm mostly for out-of-character things im just. like. idk its still garbage to yeet her id rather pretend she's alr. flipped and find the other wolves. (another problematic slot IF newcomb and Jan are wolves would be ladd but im pointing out thats only becuz his readslist make me squint then, i didnt have an issue with his posts)

[Vanta Black]

Maple=Manti? Okay, I liked the "six words" post because it articulated how I felt when I saw the post in question.

[Vanta Black]

I'm doing this sentence by sentence because my replies keep disappaering when I go back to check things in the thread.

[grr]

lol wisdom, that was anni '23 and i fooled you by... funnily enough, tunneling you. you struggle with v-reading me when im waffling and being cringe and lamist which is more my v-meta :P

doing my own thing is like, idk. yea sure im doing my own thing ig.





@Arctic
I kinda like ur posts so im towncoring you for no reason (i think this is also strategically just correct anyway, and honestly im just villareading u i dont know why im such a pussycat about vreading u every game hehe). But umm, I feel like my entire solve is in your "winning towncore" so one of is us very wrong

I have an issue with newcombs last GTH "readslist" (i know it wasnt reads just thoughts, but that isnt my issue). It was like, really bland and specifically the take on you I did not like because it was basically mischaracterizing you as a babbler and I think your post are, at large, after that one comment Newcomb quoted early in the game, easy to read, and direct.

I think Jan and Newcomb have huge partner equity. Wisdom I kinda wolfread atm mostly for out-of-character things im just. like. idk its still garbage to yeet her id rather pretend she's alr. flipped and find the other wolves. (another problematic slot IF newcomb and Jan are wolves would be ladd but im pointing out thats only becuz his readslist make me squint then, i didnt have an issue with his posts)

edit.

i just forgot an s but that's an important correction lol. plural. i liked your posts lol.

[Vanta Black]

Arctic asked what a vote count tells somebody. At this point, assuming it's majority, it would tell me if I needed to move my vote. I was also keeping a record of votes but I'm behind in that (today I am behind in everything) so I don't know.

[didistetter]

Vote: Gemma

barring she somehow becomes villagerier or wants to post thoughts, this will probably remain my vote. not sacrificing knights when the CW doesn't even try to be villagery

wow i hate this post lol

[didistetter]

Arctic asked what a vote count tells somebody. At this point, assuming it's majority, it would tell me if I needed to move my vote. I was also keeping a record of votes but I'm behind in that (today I am behind in everything) so I don't know.

@Vanta Black current VC:

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
4	Theknightsofneeee	EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb, Gemma
4	Gemma	Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
2	Enderwiggen	nebjiamn, dyachei
1	Sheepsaysmeep	Syn
1	Jan	Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	ColonelLubriderm
1	ladd	didistetter
1	ColonelLubriderm	Vanta Black
1	Raskolnikov	Grr
1	Sunbae	Jan
5	Not voting	Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt, Maple

@Maple just fyi you didn’t bold your p#858 vote on gemma so it won’t count

[didistetter]

postcap not being lifted for eod is kinda hellish and maybe a mistake honestly

town:

arctic
grr
stett
newcomb
ladd
insomnia
bopolis
wisdom
dya
ender

last villa for a winning towncore is between syn based on my own read or jan if i sheep people, probably safer to go with jan ngl

might read isos to get a more definitive answer but it's definitely not any of the rest

@Arctic talk to me about the bolded pls?

[didistetter]

@grr

hi

ih, ngl, i think you're wasting a lot of energy tunneling someone mafia are gonna kill n1/n2 and its probs not gonna help you get into the game

idk if this would help set your mind at ease but, here's newcombs most recent mu scumgame Rocks Fall Invitational his posting is nowhere near what it is here, he was killed by town kp n2, and he's just well... worse (no offense newcomb)

caveat: this is a 3 year old game, so maybe he's rlly leveled up his wolfing.

but like

this post compared to his output today is just a hard dif. he's way hedgier and awkward there, and feels kinda meek and awkward.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

also he doesnt have a sinlge wolf win on mu but thats neither here nor there

im not trying to discourage your process, im just not sure if its worth the mental energy to worry about newcomb?

[grr]

@grr

hi

ih, ngl, i think you're wasting a lot of energy tunneling someone mafia are gonna kill n1/n2 and its probs not gonna help you get into the game

idk if this would help set your mind at ease but, here's newcombs most recent mu scumgame Rocks Fall Invitational his posting is nowhere near what it is here, he was killed by town kp n2, and he's just well... worse (no offense newcomb)

caveat: this is a 3 year old game, so maybe he's rlly leveled up his wolfing.

but like

this post compared to his output today is just a hard dif. he's way hedgier and awkward there, and feels kinda meek and awkward.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

also he doesnt have a sinlge wolf win on mu but thats neither here nor there

im not trying to discourage your process, im just not sure if its worth the mental energy to worry about newcomb?

breh what process , like c0balt im just off from a very hard game where i played very excellent im just here to vibe, enjoy the show, be a polarized noob and call people wolves. i can talk about bop cuz i do have a real take on him.

In specific, I have him as confident town for their read on me:

i have no thoughts on grr and with everyone seeming tolike them im just gonna shrug and go with it

tell me if im conjuring something up here but this heavily implicates that they a) tried to form an independent read on me, b) sourced their actual stance on me based on what others are saying in thread (opposed to wolfchat or just wolf-tmi in general), and c) go along with it without trying to farm any cred by selling it as an own v-read.

I think it's a rare angle for a wolf.

was that a decent use of my energy?

[ladd]

Vote: Gemma

barring she somehow becomes villagerier or wants to post thoughts, this will probably remain my vote. not sacrificing knights when the CW doesn't even try to be villagery

has knights tried to be villagery tho? Some spooky gemma votes ngl


@manti i'd be curious of a benneh iso



i think bop is a villager cause of what he did not say but clearly was thinking vs what he actually said. Like i think in his mind he was linking me and wisdom even if he never said so explicitely but i could FEEL that he was clearing thinking about game/associations/worlds, whateve ryou wanna call it in a critical way

no one asked but i saw grr post their bop villa read so i figured i may chime in cause i feel pretty good about it now

[didistetter]

ok so:

i think wagons are v/v.

I think knight's been fine, i think gemma's been fine.

people arent gonna want to d1 ladd, benneh, or sunbae even if that group has wolves, which: fair enough.
cobalt gets a d1 pass for having rough irl, again: fair enough.


My TRs:
Arctic
Grr
Newcomb
sheepsaysmeep

Kinda sorta town lean maybe:
Sunbae
Raskolnikov
Jan
Gemma
Enderwiggin
Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee

Everyone else
dyachei
nebjiamn
Ladd
Vanta Black
Insomnia
Syn
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
C0balt

Im sure not having a firm opinion on syn/vanta is revelatory stuff, but I briefly skimmed vanta in saints and syn in cereal killer, and im hard pressed to find them towny so far here in comparison

Bop is kinda odd to me. He’s had some solid posts, but he’s in this weird floaty space where something just feels kinda off? Idk, and I probs wouldn’t vote him till I could verbalize what feels wrong
@Maple ngl if its ok its fine if you dont wanna call me stett, but could you maybe do didistetter instead of dist? every time u say dist i read it as
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