Tarot Mafia

[Sunbae]

im still deciding what to do. I won't be doing as I'm told though

when you get the chance can you check my list and see how it compares to your thoughts

[ColonelLubriderm]

when you get the chance can you check my list and see how it compares to your thoughts

same list as last night?

[Sunbae]

same list as last night?

yaya, id made a couple small adjustments since but i dont think dya was around overnight (small adjustments are a tip up for mont and ladd, and then listening to people with vanta on the more towny side)

[dyachei]

yaya, id made a couple small adjustments since but i dont think dya was around overnight (small adjustments are a tip up for mont and ladd, and then listening to people with vanta on the more towny side)

any chance you can link or give me a post number?

[Sunbae]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

here you go dya

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom

why did you have syn as a lower tier villa yesterday?

Pretty sure I had him as upper tier PoE but it might depend on when you're talking about.

I tend to read Syn through his mood and he was way too happy/jokey which I read as wolfy. But that burned me last game and he didn't really give me anything else to read him on. Rask reads Syn better than me though (or so I thought, at least) and he town cleared Syn, which I at some point thought made Syn town regardless of Rask's alignment.

I wasn't able to word it properly since I'm on phone so I hope it makes sense. @ColonelLubriderm

[Jan]

Premise: there are four wolves left

inno children(0 wolves)

vanta
stet

villas(0-1 wolves but lean towards 0)
insomnia
arctic
grr

villagy (0-1 wolves lean towards 0 but not as far as above)
sunbae
dya

village side of /shrug(0-1 wolf)
maple*
knights

/shrug(1-2 wolves)
montmore
neb
jan**
rasko**
ender

wolf side of /shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
dolby
gemma
wisdom

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solely listed on the shrug side of villagy because i support my neighbor

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never W/W with each other with how eod 1 went down; yes this is hyperbole but i think it probably over 90% true

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recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor

I agree with the first 3 tiers in varying degrees. (all of them I have at least as village lean)

I have gemma higher but not confident enough to try and convince anyone of it.
I vibed with her I don't bus reaction towards me. Not because I don't think she busses in general, but because I think she thinks she would not bus in that situation. Again ~vibes.

[dyachei]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

ok sunbae here goes

I think you're being too lenient with ben. yes, he's playing differently and he's been absent. I have him as basically null for it, i'm not sure how you can have him so high. I agree on insom, stett, and bop

I think there's a chance of gemma or grr being a wolf. I think there could be 2 wolves here and 2 wolves in your last category. I dont think jan/rask/ladd are all wolves together. I think there's at least 1 villa and probably really 2. i dont really know what to do with vanta but I got slight v vibes there

and ender I suck at reading. it's possible, and I think interactions look bad for him.

grr seems to be doing a lot of work but I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time with his posts because there's too much going on in them and I'm not really sure if he believes all of what he's saying

[Wisdom]

How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?

[Sunbae]

Do you think it's possible that I've taken my normal approach to benneh (one where I read him mostly based on whether or not he's showing attempts to position himself for the future) and applied it to a game that isn't normal (appears to be very busy)? So I'm reading a lack of long term approach as villagery but it really just means he's just not been available at all?

[Wisdom]

@Arctic sup?
@Raskolnikov you're a butt <3 Stop talking about yourself as if you're a rational and not predictable person :3

[Sunbae]

rephrase: not "not available" but more just less available than usual (he has been participating and making reads so that came out wrong)

[Sunbae]

have i ever explicitly told you that you're delightful to play with wisdom?

[ColonelLubriderm]

How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?

VILLAGY

[ColonelLubriderm]

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!

this is the post where you had syn in the section of least confident town reads

im also assuming the unlisted are your top tier villa reads yesterday:

ladd, newcomb, ender, rasko, jan

which is kind of spicy for yesterday outside of newcomb;

[Wisdom]

have i ever explicitly told you that you're delightful to play with wisdom?

Oh, I really don't feel like I'm any fun at all this game, so thanks <3 It means a lot!

You too!

[ColonelLubriderm]

Pretty sure I had him as upper tier PoE but it might depend on when you're talking about.

I tend to read Syn through his mood and he was way too happy/jokey which I read as wolfy. But that burned me last game and he didn't really give me anything else to read him on. Rask reads Syn better than me though (or so I thought, at least) and he town cleared Syn, which I at some point thought made Syn town regardless of Rask's alignment.

I wasn't able to word it properly since I'm on phone so I hope it makes sense. @ColonelLubriderm

basically you town read rasko and his godread of syn led him to the lesser village section in your eyes;

i get what your saying

[ColonelLubriderm]

i dont think anyone has been unfun fwiw

[Sunbae]

same, this game has been really enjoyable for me

[Wisdom]

this is the post where you had syn in the section of least confident town reads

im also assuming the unlisted are your top tier villa reads yesterday:

ladd, newcomb, ender, rasko, jan

which is kind of spicy for yesterday outside of newcomb;

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

[Wisdom]

Ok read Monte's iso he's still null.

Vote: Gemma

[Dolby]

why tf is everyone fuckign wolfreading me

[ColonelLubriderm]

why tf is everyone fuckign wolfreading me

maple told me in our cbat he peeked you a wolf

[Wisdom]

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

Colonel was supposed to be top in leaning town (since it's alphabetical) it's just impossible to scroll in quick replies on phone

[ColonelLubriderm]

Colonel was supposed to be top in leaning town (since it's alphabetical) it's just impossible to scroll in quick replies on phone

sometimes the truth is undeniable

[didistetter]

Ok read Monte's iso he's still null.

Vote: Gemma

Vote: Wisdom

[dyachei]

Do you think it's possible that I've taken my normal approach to benneh (one where I read him mostly based on whether or not he's showing attempts to position himself for the future) and applied it to a game that isn't normal (appears to be very busy)? So I'm reading a lack of long term approach as villagery but it really just means he's just not been available at all?

YEs, I do think you're applying a standard that isn't really applicable here. I wouldn't vote there today or anything, but I wouldn't have him high in my reads either.

[Wisdom]

Vote: Wisdom

Lol Stett :3 Why are you like this?^^
I'm not really sure what you expect from me this game!

[insomnia]

Im gonna push back on this.

Syn did flip and Jan did do the chain and Jan is clearly not outed. So I don't think I agree with your premise here.

rask viable wagon

syn viable wagon

he says rask should die first for his read on syn. that's a read that both spews rask villager and syn wolf if jan is a wolf. do you agree with this premise?

and all im saying is that a wolf would recognize the really poor positioning and it'd be a tough progression to pull off with TMI

[Dolby]

Decided to skip to the first Syn vote since what I've been doing has clearly not been serving me well. I did a quick skim of the page immediately prior and I don't think that Syn becoming as big of a EOD wagon was really visible, but I think Syn was pretty clearly in danger the moment Newcomb said he was a good vote and Stett got on him

Vote: Syn

sure i like that better than knights or gemma

I like this vote a lot

vote syn

fine vote, think this guy is town anyway. Given what Newcomb said earlier, this might as well have been the vote that put Syn at three (largest counterwagon) anyway

wheres syn dog

I think that the thought to call out Syn missing from a readslist (even though he isn't) is towny and shows the there is a level of realness to Bop's sus

god damn it

I was thinking in the shower I didn't like my vote on ender and considering who to vote and dismissing both knights and gemma as counters because knights is always wolfy and so is gemma. So i was like, you know, i'm reconsidering my stance on syn, I'll go vote them because there's not much pressure there. Then i come online and see like 4 votes for syn

vote: syn

I like this only bc it ties syn with the lead wagon gemma

Not quoting them but so far I like Arctic's posts in this stretch, I find them generally agreeable... except for his Syn read

villagery post

so get on Syn then. I also don't get how the post itself is villagery

this post kinda stresses me out but idek if i sr it or not

this is towny

Syn counterwagon eod gives me eepies.

tracking

Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity?



Here's how I see this EOD.

Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.

Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.

Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.

Few thoughts about anyone else.

I'll do the right thing.

I've seen talk of Monty's EOD, rn I think this is a fine Monty post and only leaves him room to vote Gemma

you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?

While at a PC for a moment:



this take is actually bad. sunbae stopped posting because he was topposter and actually had some fine solving post in the last 24 hours.
both in absolute post as well as in % sunbae is way above ben in content. it is just not a good take.

aight here's the thing

If I ignore the Syn townread I still don't like this beyond, well, he's putting people in front of Syn, but more importantly Ithink his theory doesn't come from a villa

Despite Wisdom's townread of Syn, I feel like two interactions from Syn's direction towards Wisdom just weren't w/w, the stronger one being the one where Syn calls out Wisdom for wanting to mason with Jan. I just don't feel like that's a post that w!Syn is inclined to make if with Wisdom and Jan is v, wolf Syn can bus but if he's a wolf he's going to raise his teammates over others while keeping them in whatever tier feels appropriate for them. tbf I think that Syn hadn't posted in a while by this point but still.

Jan hasn't said much about Rask beforehand so maybe a weird push but ugh

...another meld with ladd (kinda)

also i was about to ask about syn towngames because stett didnt seem impressed but yeah now i dont really know what to do if their play here is between their town and wolfgames

if this continues well its a good look for arctic

vote: raskolnikov

jan said hed do rasko before syn; though i think he meant it more as he'd do neither but if one were to go down that path go rasko first;

so im going rasko first;

i think im at like 72 so im only going to post votes from here out if i feel its neccessary

I gotta read if Jan liked Gemma ugh

Let's try Vote: Rask

tbh I think this is fine for Monty

Vote: Syn

meaningful vote for keeping Syn in contention, good

honestly tinfoiling this as w/w which feels ridiculous but yeah
dunno i still dont really wanna kill rask but maybe id vote syn

I think w Arctic doesn't say this if Rask v because it risks trapping him on Syn

On a brief skim

Rask felt moderately villagery and syn was more null/leaning wolf.

Hmm

I like this but also context that he's lead wagon

okay um
at this point im just gonna consolidate on someone so rask doesnt die

i kinda like sheep being an option again though lol

ok looks like his Rask read was stronger than I thought, still think the sentiment is villa

Vote: Syn

never placed a vote on someone without reading their posts, what an EoD

gonna call this towny

Unvote

I'd have to read Monty's ISO deeper and it doesn't look good that he's unvoting without anyone getting on Rask but I think I'm fine with it? kinda an admission that he isn't fully informed on the game state which is kinda villa. I think if a wolf he just keeps his vote on Rask probably, rather than Abrograte all responsibility with a teammate in danger

Vote: syn

Might still vote Gemma but I like that he actually got off me :3

think this is towny given other options existed

Vote: Syn

boom

vote: Raskolnikov

for now, wagons or something

hate this

vote: Syn

dunno but im just saving rask siw

I think the sequence isn't that great since idk how Arcitc would vote if it was sheep/knights/gemma as CW but I'm fine iwth it

vote: gemma

anyone but Syn huh

vote: syn

hammer

lmao

Hopefully the info

Please remember me Gemma

kinda don't like that Monty didn't vote but it's like, w/e. I think there's a good chance that he was to disconnected from the game to feel like he could place down a good vote.

I feel like if Jan is town more people would have tried to exploit his Rask push to get on Rask but at the same time at EOD the CWs were nowehre near consolidated. Bopolis doesn't count to me in that fwiw