Tarot Mafia

[Jan]

What if I told you I believe the core of Maple's claim is true but just think it's a wolfy role esp with how limited I feel like most of the full claimed town have been?

Like Maple has implied they can provide unlimited cards (esp with a card N1 and supposedly one N2.)

When every other town has very strongly implied a restriction except maybe the Jailkeeper in terms of how often you can use the power.

Inventer feels more like a wolf role in that context shrug.

The restriction was that he can only self-target and the inventions are rather random.
Being inverted seems to be upgrade or at least a twist that changes utility.

I don't know. either maple is the scapegoat for wolves to sacrifice that somehow has the best claim or the villager that is most vulnerable.
And with each additional scummy person pushing the slot I get more worried.

[dyachei]

@grr

did you miss the part of Jan JKing me last night? That's why Im alive

[Jan]

Ah
Did Jan claim jk yesterday?
Why would town invert that and what does it even mean?

I claimed pr and said that I don't think my role could be inverted. (my assumption was inverse of protect + roleblock would be kill + motivate, which was weird but if it works I would not mind it)

And then got inverted at night.

I only claimed jk today. I wanted to wait for ender to arrive and wait for his claim because some people tried to push protective on him yesterday.
But I realized that it does not actually make a difference and my info might help solve mech stuff. (night kill, inverter etc). plus I love how my role got inverted and wanted to share it. :X

[Jan]

@grr

did you miss the part of Jan JKing me last night? That's why Im alive

we do not know that. wolves not targeting you is more likely considering amount of people that died.
Or did I miss any important context?

[Wisdom]

then why have Maple in your townreads at this moment in time after 3 people who were consensus town (maybe arctic wasn't 100% consensus and still pretty townread) died?

I didn't. You misunderstood me (I wasn't very clear). He and Ender should have been in between the other two piles as a "possibly pr" pile. I just didn't think about him (mainly due to not knowing if he had already done his self resolving or not) until the end and editing posts on phone is hell.

Also, I didn't mean that all 4 in Gemma/you/Vanta/Monte are wolves, just that it would make the game easier if you were (and I didn't have any tr's there but I think your recent posts are towny). Wolf!Ladd and Wolf!Manti are both hard to yeet.

[EnderWiggin]

The restriction was that he can only self-target and the inventions are rather random.
Being inverted seems to be upgrade or at least a twist that changes utility.

I don't know. either maple is the scapegoat for wolves to sacrifice that somehow has the best claim or the villager that is most vulnerable.
And with each additional scummy person pushing the slot I get more worried.

Hi I'm scummy person #3 coming for Maple's ass.

But unlimited Self-targeting Inventor sounds ~fine? Vs limited shots and other restrictions.

But even mech aside, I'm having trouble seeing a world where Maple's "I'm self-resolving!" plea right before a 3 death night is anything but a play to stay alive to unload KP. Esp with the lame-duck "Oh oopsie I sent my card to dead Arctic." as the follow up.

As for everyone piling on now, if Maple has sent off all the main KP they had, then wolves might have just accepted they have to bus today because there's no saving Maple.

I know if I was partners with Maple that'd be my read of gamestate.

[Jan]

Sometimes you read a thread and think "It feels like only villagers are playing right now".

For some reason reading the last page makes me feel the opposite.

[EnderWiggin]

I claimed pr and said that I don't think my role could be inverted. (my assumption was inverse of protect + roleblock would be kill + motivate, which was weird but if it works I would not mind it)

And then got inverted at night.

I only claimed jk today. I wanted to wait for ender to arrive and wait for his claim because some people tried to push protective on him yesterday.
But I realized that it does not actually make a difference and my info might help solve mech stuff. (night kill, inverter etc). plus I love how my role got inverted and wanted to share it. :X

As a side note:
Claiming to not be sure how you'd be invertable was great inverter bait

[Wisdom]

Btw @grr reason I claimed pr d2 last game was because that's how I play as town unless it's a super important role. I think d2 claims are op because it makes life so much harder for wolves. Even d1 bucket steat is op but that's just really boring. Much better to use it to steer town into a better path when people are waisting too much time trying to solve me!

+ Claims are pretty much obligatory in roleflipless. In my homecom (full flipless) I always claim doc in f3 and win because people suck at claiming before dying.

[EnderWiggin]

Sometimes you read a thread and think "It feels like only villagers are playing right now".

For some reason reading the last page makes me feel the opposite.

Dolby, Wisdom, and I thought it'd be funny to distance in thread. Sorry you had to come in while that was going on.

[Dolby]

@Jan

Maple is a dead player walking today imo? I think that Maple is a wolf and is going over bc they were probably gonna be the d2 from having a bad eod1 that looks worse now that rask flipped 3p. Maple is always dying today since a living player didn't get the card. Honestly I think Maple's cards are real but they are not clearing and they might have activated their PGO and Arctic tried to shoot her (and the PGO granted death immunity).

Lets look at the votes on Maple over the course of the game before today

Maple's first vote comes on D2 despite being moderately sussed by a few people d1. That vote comes from didistetter a dead town

Next vote comes from ladd. I think that Ladd is possibly teammed with Maple. I talked a bit in a prior post that despite being on Maple for a good part of the day there wasn't really any effort from ladd to get other people onto Maple, and maple wasn't really mentioned by ladd in the meantime much despite being his vote. Ithink it's partnered

Dolby (that's me!) is the next vote on Maple, I'm town

Gemma votes Maple, I guess Gemma could be mafia but I feel that it's pretty likely that Syn was the only major wolf wagon at eod1

Rask votes Maple, dead 3P

Insomnia votes Maple, I think Insomnia is just a villager, had a good D1, and is maybe threadspewed

Benneh votes Maple, I think Benneh is fine, could be a wolf but I think he's fine

I am not concerned that suspicious people are getting on Maple on Day Three. I'm ignoring D3 bc I think that over the course of teh day 2/3rds of people are going to have votes on Maple. I think that suspicious people avoided having their votes be on Maple d2. So to be quite frank I am not concerned that Maple is being pushed, they are kinda the presumptive yeet.

[Jan]

Hi I'm scummy person #3 coming for Maple's ass.

But unlimited Self-targeting Inventor sounds ~fine? Vs limited shots and other restrictions.

But even mech aside, I'm having trouble seeing a world where Maple's "I'm self-resolving!" plea right before a 3 death night is anything but a play to stay alive to unload KP. Esp with the lame-duck "Oh oopsie I sent my card to dead Arctic." as the follow up.

As for everyone piling on now, if Maple has sent off all the main KP they had, then wolves might have just accepted they have to bus today because there's no saving Maple.

I know if I was partners with Maple that'd be my read of gamestate.

You are #7, maybe #8. Sorry most of the cred is already gone.

[Wisdom]

What does PGO mean when it doesn't mean Pokémon GO?

[grr]

@grr

did you miss the part of Jan JKing me last night? That's why Im alive

yeah did miss it, um. well i mean if u were also a designated wolfkill then we'd be dealing with like, dealing with 3? wolf kills in one night tho wtf. yeah idk whats going on.
@insomnia btw what are we doing if maple flips town and ur dead tomorrow xD we have still time but im not sure what I should be doing then rofl.
@Wisdom yeah alright seen ur reply (i'd say hally decidedly ain't me but im not stopping you from forming ur own opinions you do you, i am not rly getting anything out of this rn so i dont wanna keep being entangled in it!)

I'll get back when I think I can contribute something useful sorry bronanas.

[Dolby]

What does PGO mean when it doesn't mean Pokémon GO?

Paranoid gun owner.

Maple claimed to give herself a one shot PGO N1. Knights brought up that Arctic said that his flavor (death) was a likely KP role (pretty much a soft to be found after his death that he was a town vig of some sort), and Maple was at the very bottom of his last reads list.

My personal take is that Arctic died trying to shoot maple and maybe Maple also had a shield from a card? Can't really see any other world besides him being roleblocked or redirected into Bop or Stett, which I doubt.

[Jan]

@Maple

do you pick your card target during the day or at nighttime?

[ladd]

i'd honestly still like ender to claim cause i still feel the mech aspect of the game is a bit of a mess right now but i know i am not in a position to request anything

jan/dya are villagers ldo

dolby/insomnia/grr are my next clears



i still find it super hard to buy the firefighter claim mechanically speaking ngl

[EnderWiggin]

Alrighty I need to re-review Ladd because I could be wrong and a lot of people think it.

But aside from that I think my current line is like...

Maple > One of Benneh/Sunbae > Wisdom/Dolby/Insom?

I'm gonna assume one of the wolves is deep in general because I'm townreading a lot of people.

I kinda liked a few of Insom's posts tbh which makes me wanna remove them off that list, but idk.

I think Dya/Knights/Jan are town. Vanta is more along their town play than wolf. Gemma I think the same.

Grr I like but don't have a ~solid reason to think they're definitely town.

And Monty is 3p.

[EnderWiggin]

You are #7, maybe #8. Sorry most of the cred is already gone.

Shit. I wanted to be high tier scummy :(

[ladd]

And Monty is 3p.

Yeaaa I don't really buy this. I seriously doubt visor put 2 neutral itg and monty pushed rask eod1 so it's not like he is likely to be aligned with
rask if thats the origin of him being 3p theory



With that being said - I have no clue what monty is doing

[EnderWiggin]

Anyway, I'm actually awake to say g'night this time instead of falling asleep at my computer while reading.

I'll be back at my regularly scheduled time, about 20-22ish hours from now.

[EnderWiggin]

Yeaaa I don't really buy this. I seriously doubt visor put 2 neutral itg and monty pushed rask eod1 so it's not like he is likely to be aligned with
rask if thats the origin of him being 3p theory



With that being said - I have no clue what monty is doing

Monty is either town or 3p imo.

I stand by my read that his EOD1 isn't paired with Syn.

I said 3p because like... I just don't understand his play and that makes more sense.

Also to be clear:
I don't think he was actually paired with Rask.

[Jan]

Anyway, I'm actually awake to say g'night this time instead of falling asleep at my computer while reading.

I'll be back at my regularly scheduled time, about 20-22ish hours from now.

sleep well and don't let the bedladds bite you.

[Wisdom]

ladd/wisdom/maple mainly

ender or not ender depending on what he claims

1 sec i'll make a readlist for u

v
dya
grr
-
insom
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nee
jan
sunbae
dolby
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mont
- null
neb
vanta
ender
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wisdom
maple
-
ladd
w

Gemma has pretty much the same reads as I do.

If she's w/w with both Maple and Ladd I don't think her only focus today would be ladd/maple/wisdom.

So if Ladd/Maple are w/w I don't think Gemma is wolfing but Gemmas play is quite narrow/static from what I've seen so she probably still a wolf.

Implying Maple/Ladd not being w/w.

[insomnia]

if manti is not wolf, you just kill ladd. but even if manti is a wolf i'd still consider him

we're 3 days in and i don't want to be a d***, but ladd has done nothing but stalling all of these days. villa ladd has a push he can make by now and the ones he attempted to do were all on villas, which i've already said

there's just no strong callout on anyone anymore or an attempt to shake things up and it's starting to only get wolfier and wolfier as the game progresses

he needs to push someone and / or make a case toDay or at least let us know who his wolf reads are and why. this attitude of just calling villas and shying away from calling wolves I don't associate with his villa play at all

[insomnia]

i think it's hard for the wolves to push people especially when erryone has a DAMN CLAIM

his posting ever since d2 has felt like he's simply walking on eggshells in a way that is pinging the hell out of me. he's really careful with his callouts to the point where he just shades a few people for some things and then just does nothing but reinforce villa reads. this has felt like his gameplay all game long except his pushes (which were more shades than pushes imo) have all been villas thus far

if he's not a wolf then i really struggle with the game. i think it's pretty obvious from his position if V that not all the claimers can be wolves and he's left with only a few names to dig in, but most importantly i really hate that he doesn't focus on benneh / sunbae here when it feels like that's an obvious blindspot to reaearch

apparently he's pushing wisdom / maple is what i'm gathering

[insomnia]

ladd / maple / benneh / sunbae / wisdom / montmorency remain my PoE. idk, if this is like 1/4 or 2/4 then idek where to look at. is the entire team just claiming PRs? i doubt so

i kinda like dolby's posting even though i really hated some of the things he was pointing out cuz they seemed really bad faith. don't ask me for examples

i don't really get why ender is being pushed

we have a dozen PR claims and no conclusive thoughts on benneh / sunbae who have nothing going for them. benneh actually was pushing ender which is just really bad to me, but I guess I could be heavily underestimating Ender's wolfing prowess, he just seems villagery to me /shrug. kinda feels like the times I had him wolf where times where i'd just open his ISO and not think anything of him or I'd have to really force myself to find reasons to villa read him, whereas in here I just holistically villa read him on everything. toan, solving, all of it

[Dolby]

Ladd is Benneh a wolf read of yours rn and if so can they or are they more likely to be a wolf with Wisdom? I feel like Benneh/Wisdom has been an interesting link point in your reads over the game. In that like, you've called Wisdom mildly towny d1 then a wolf d2, but Benneh called you a likely wolf if Wisdom was a wolf and idk there's been some posts you've quoted from Benneh where Benneh had Wisdom as the focus of the post and I don't think you really needed to have a take on this before now (maybe Benneh having a post basically saying he wanted to go Wisdom -> you if Wisdom red is an exception), but I'd like a take on if Benneh is wolf and if Benneh/wisdom can be teammed from you.

[insomnia]

i guess i don't like that ladd is using the PRs as cover for wolf pushes

my point is not that he doesn't push specifically sunbae / benneh. my point is that he is not researching the wolves outside the PR claimers, which is how we'll win the game. the PR claimers that are wolves are going to be resolved eventually without us doing anything, unless the wolves wish to keep them all alive

(but i do think there's 2/3 in sunbae / benneh / ladd, and maple is a wolf)

[ladd]

i guess i don't like that ladd is using the PRs as cover for wolf pushes

my point is not that he doesn't push specifically sunbae / benneh. my point is that he is not researching the wolves outside the PR claimers, which is how we'll win the game. the PR claimers that are wolves are going to be resolved eventually without us doing anything, unless the wolves wish to keep them all alive

(but i do think there's 2/3 in sunbae / benneh / ladd, and maple is a wolf)

i'll answer the rest tomorrow cause i dont have time right now to give an answer that would be of any help to u nor dolby

but my bottom 4 yesterday was literally sunbae/benneh/maple/monti. u expect me to push them hard but its august i am lazy and i dont feel like pushing people hard this game, thats genuinely all there is to it