Tarot Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

I'm awake. Will be multitasking with other things but will be around.

[theknightsofneeee]

Oh boy

Every person I ISO I come out with a villa read.

Wolves are playing exceptionally well.

[Sunbae]

I'm awake. Will be multitasking with other things but will be around.

ARE WE IN THE THREAD AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE NEXT THIRTY MINUTES BEFORE I GO

ITS ABOUT TIME

[Sunbae]

Ender can you full claim for me please? With targets why you chose them etc

[theknightsofneeee]

Ender’s treatment of me feels like solvey villager, I liked him saying he didn’t think one thing I said was villagers.

His doubt on me after Dolby flip feels genuine too.



Maybe it’s just wisdom and I’m bad lmao

[Sunbae]

Oh boy

Every person I ISO I come out with a villa read.

Wolves are playing exceptionally well.

the downside of games where everyone is awesome is that the games are hard :(

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin did u actually claim yet? Ladd said you should and i've read different stuff about u and im not sure whats what here now wrt you.

1. I'm not inverter like Monty was claiming and Knights is now following up.

Also I think inverter is town just from how their actions have played out.

2. Fine I'll claim,

I was enhancer. Tried to hit Stett N1. That didn't work for some reason I'm still not sure of.

I was inverted N3.

I now can copy a power. I copied Maple's power (I know how it reads now which is part of why today opened with me townreading them.) and realised after doing so that this could have been a good way to check Wisdom and/or fish in the unclaimed for people.

But one of my villa reads will have a card tonight in addition to the card Maple's giving out.

[Sunbae]

Ender’s treatment of me feels like solvey villager, I liked him saying he didn’t think one thing I said was villagers.

His doubt on me after Dolby flip feels genuine too.



Maybe it’s just wisdom and I’m bad lmao

if benneh is a lost wolf and wisdom is just a wolf im gonna blame FLIPLESS
if benneh is a normal wolf and wisdom is just a wolf im gonna blame uh, idk ill find a scapegoat for my failure
if wisdom is a villager obviously im great and the best and i deserve head pats

[EnderWiggin]

Ender can you full claim for me please? With targets why you chose them etc

I only have 2 targets and idk what else to say about em. But feel free to poke me questions?

[Sunbae]

1. I'm not inverter like Monty was claiming and Knights is now following up.

Also I think inverter is town just from how their actions have played out.

2. Fine I'll claim,

I was enhancer. Tried to hit Stett N1. That didn't work for some reason I'm still not sure of.

I was inverted N3.

I now can copy a power. I copied Maple's power (I know how it reads now which is part of why today opened with me townreading them.) and realised after doing so that this could have been a good way to check Wisdom and/or fish in the unclaimed for people.

But one of my villa reads will have a card tonight in addition to the card Maple's giving out.

oh hell yeah lets go

[Sunbae]

i want a card plz

[EnderWiggin]

Also given how:

1. Inverter means a different thing in terms of Tarot
2. All targets have technically been "powered up" (Which makes me feel a little redundant ngl)
3. The targets were Maple > Jan > Me that we know

I'm more inclined to think the Inverter is also a town role.

Like does a wolf really give a power up to Maple (Who claims it's a power up in thread) then target widely townread Jan to make them a stronger jailkeeper? I'm not argue the use on me was town because I technically baited it intentionally because I was rather disillusioned by my own role previously in this game. Also people are sussing me again lmao.

[Sunbae]

ok

if jan and dolby and ender are all calling maple town then maple is just town yo


this also makes me feel like inverter is town too cause like, they keep hitting town PRs and t he town PRs keep saying their roles are better and they find them towny so we should have a hidden villager somewhere so huge game

[Sunbae]

Also given how:

1. Inverter means a different thing in terms of Tarot
2. All targets have technically been "powered up" (Which makes me feel a little redundant ngl)
3. The targets were Maple > Jan > Me that we know

I'm more inclined to think the Inverter is also a town role.

Like does a wolf really give a power up to Maple (Who claims it's a power up in thread) then target widely townread Jan to make them a stronger jailkeeper? I'm not argue the use on me was town because I technically baited it intentionally because I was rather disillusioned by my own role previously in this game. Also people are sussing me again lmao.

100% agree

[EnderWiggin]

With regards to Wisdom I am in a torn spot.

Based entirely on their posting + that weird ass section of thread where they felt like they were trying to provoke me to do busy work I have wanted to wolfread them.

But their interactions with Benneh are...
Some of the stronger spew IMO.

And you don't even need to take my word for it. Dead Villa Dya also basically repeated all of my spew reads without realising they were echoing me. They also found Wisdom townier off the Spew.

(This is where Sunbae is right and Benneh was lost wolf)

[Sunbae]

So if I say:

Maple town
Ender town
Grr town
Insomnia town


and I also say enough people have Gemma town that i roll with it for now as my lowest town read

and i say mont/wisdom doesnt make sense
gemma/knights doesnt make sense

Then the team should be:

Wisdom Or Monte + Knights or Gemma + Vanta?

[Sunbae]

hmmm

[Sunbae]

With regards to Wisdom I am in a torn spot.

Based entirely on their posting + that weird ass section of thread where they felt like they were trying to provoke me to do busy work I have wanted to wolfread them.

But their interactions with Benneh are...
Some of the stronger spew IMO.

And you don't even need to take my word for it. Dead Villa Dya also basically repeated all of my spew reads without realising they were echoing me. They also found Wisdom townier off the Spew.

(This is where Sunbae is right and Benneh was lost wolf)

yeahhhh

[EnderWiggin]

So if I say:

Maple town
Ender town
Grr town
Insomnia town


and I also say enough people have Gemma town that i roll with it for now as my lowest town read

and i say mont/wisdom doesnt make sense
gemma/knights doesnt make sense

Then the team should be:

Wisdom Or Monte + Knights or Gemma + Vanta?

I feel bad for the fact that I'm POEing Vanta harder as time goes on. But also yeah they're definitely slipping into priority solving slot for me.

Especially if I stick to my gut on Spew Reads.

[Sunbae]

I feel bad for the fact that I'm POEing Vanta harder as time goes on. But also yeah they're definitely slipping into priority solving slot for me.

Especially if I stick to my gut on Spew Reads.

I guess Id first like to be sure that mont/wisdom doesnt make sense cause i do suppose that like, benneh was going there maybe the wolves expected wisdom to be dead soon and started the bus then let people make mistakes with ladd/dolby instead let me go see monts posting eods

[Sunbae]

very funni game ender



Game can't end tomorrow mechanically. Most brutal defeat is if Wisdom/knights t/t, despite Wisdom's everything and knights only voting ladd and town PRs (3 of them!) besides his syn vote.

wait is this true about knights lmao

[theknightsofneeee]

Okay I think it’s just wisdom? The solving is pretty lackluster today, seems content with his Poe/reads which is weird because it’s been obvious that one of us was getting elimed today, didn’t really bother to solve my slot one way or the other, still seems fixated on maple!w when that seems obviously not the world after Dolby claim/Jan not executing.

I guess it’s just a fake claim and I’m bad.

[theknightsofneeee]

wait is this true about knights lmao

Technically Ladd probably wasn’t a PR

Saving posts for EOD, I’ll build a big post to respond to insomnia/sunbae, anyone else has questions pls ping I’ll respond to all at once

Vote: wisdom

[Maple]

need a bad bitch to post an updated vc

[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 3 (Montmorency, Gemma, Theknightsofneeee)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (grr, EnderWiggin, insomnia)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)

[Sunbae]

I'll repeat for anyone with sus on Ender, Gemma, or Insomnia.

Based on votes, if Wisdom is scum those players have excellent voting records, being Wisdom pushers and voters (I think all of them would also have pushed at least one other confirmed scum). Other players have layed out that their posting patterns, tone, and interactions with neb et al. are towny. If Wisdom is town, we're already on the road to defeat. If Wisdom is scum, it's our game to lose.

It would be sad to lose the game because we just kept fumbling the ouster of the player more of the player list has suspected than any other but, like, syn.

OK, seriously, everyone understands that if Wisdom is scum, she spews 3 players clear. Look at the votes and interactions. She has the weakest PR claim, has been saved under fishy circumstances every day (once by flipped mafia), has been pushed by a string of townies and town-cred individuals, and has a lot of textual arguments against her. Also, a pretty atrocious POE, not that that's very AI right now.

Maple remains self-clearing.

Insomnia has offered better town-type play and votes than anyone alive btw. I don't know how people can compare themselves to Insomnia tbh.

@grr plz do more complete vote histories

If Wisdom is town, the POE is completely open and the team could kind of be anyone. Could be some stupid team like grr-vanta-sunbae. We flatly lose, no chance, if Wisdom is town. We probably box Mafia out and win if she's scum. So...

If you want to solve Gemma, the priority should be flipping Wisdom.

meh hmmm

[Sunbae]

I'll repeat for anyone with sus on Ender, Gemma, or Insomnia.

Based on votes, if Wisdom is scum those players have excellent voting records, being Wisdom pushers and voters (I think all of them would also have pushed at least one other confirmed scum). Other players have layed out that their posting patterns, tone, and interactions with neb et al. are towny. If Wisdom is town, we're already on the road to defeat. If Wisdom is scum, it's our game to lose.

It would be sad to lose the game because we just kept fumbling the ouster of the player more of the player list has suspected than any other but, like, syn.

OK, seriously, everyone understands that if Wisdom is scum, she spews 3 players clear. Look at the votes and interactions. She has the weakest PR claim, has been saved under fishy circumstances every day (once by flipped mafia), has been pushed by a string of townies and town-cred individuals, and has a lot of textual arguments against her. Also, a pretty atrocious POE, not that that's very AI right now.

Maple remains self-clearing.

Insomnia has offered better town-type play and votes than anyone alive btw. I don't know how people can compare themselves to Insomnia tbh.

@grr plz do more complete vote histories

If Wisdom is town, the POE is completely open and the team could kind of be anyone. Could be some stupid team like grr-vanta-sunbae. We flatly lose, no chance, if Wisdom is town. We probably box Mafia out and win if she's scum. So...

Players Votes

Wisdom 3 (Montmorency, Gemma, Theknightsofneeee)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (grr, EnderWiggin, insomnia)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)

aw beans

[Sunbae]

time for me to agonize on wisdom vs knights for 20 minutes before ultimately learning they were w/w or v/v

[Montmorency]

wait is this true about knights lmao

See grr's vote history compilation from SOD today. Although note that D1's history was never complete; it's missing unvotes and all votes by ladd. There may be other inaccuracies I'm unaware of. But it's not MU!

[Montmorency]

Does no one else want Maple to just claim their N4 already? Sheesh.

Grr push on you noted but j won't be alive tmr so ya know

That's a great reason to legacy your action history this EOD.

I only have 2 targets and idk what else to say about em. But feel free to poke me questions?

Glad to settle for good that inverter and upgrader are distinct roles here, but why not act N3? I'll reread D4 after this, so you don't have to answer if you think it's sufficiently explained.

Also given how:

1. Inverter means a different thing in terms of Tarot
2. All targets have technically been "powered up" (Which makes me feel a little redundant ngl)
3. The targets were Maple > Jan > Me that we know

I'm more inclined to think the Inverter is also a town role.

Like does a wolf really give a power up to Maple (Who claims it's a power up in thread) then target widely townread Jan to make them a stronger jailkeeper? I'm not argue the use on me was town because I technically baited it intentionally because I was rather disillusioned by my own role previously in this game. Also people are sussing me again lmao.

If I were m-knights, I would fakeclaim inverter at -5 minutes and PR-hunt overnight to try to lock myself with no CC.

No one claim inverter today, it's too late.

Please do pass me a card however. Maybe it'll be the suicide card.