Bolañafia

[Cape90]

it was you saying "you're just narrating everything they've done" which reminded me of Cape saying I was creating a narrative that gave me the impression you were setting up for pivoting to me, especially with the diminutive "just" and the hyperbolic "everything"

This seems like a pretty strange stretch given how Taffy already misrepped Hally

I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit

vote: Wisdom

here

[Wisdom]

okay, but the fact Taffy said this and just never swapped off of Wisdom onto Visor, when that was a viable option should already just makes me wanna vote Taffy without reviewing up on anything else.

I see your point but I think that's something a wolf commonly wouldn't do? As in, why shade a wolf mate and look bad instead of bussing and look good?

It would have made sense if w/w/w but I'm town so that world doesn't exist

[Wisdom]

True, the way Taffy voted me for ??? reasons was weird

[Cape90]

Also word salady but I think the thoughts are solid
I'm really not confident Taffy is wolfing here but I'm running out of options

My issue with that post is it is incredibly one-track minded, and the Rask-Syn thing is kind of like... how I form reads when I am wolfing, there is just something very calculated and yet lacking nuance.

The read on you making your readslist just to put a wolfread on Rask seems like a very big stretch to me and it also assumes that everyone, or most of everyone will very much notice your read on Rask and take special note of it.

Then there is like vague shade on Syn.

The Rask read is ungenerous.

Honestly, Taffy's post there to me looks like Taffy putting 2 villagers in a boxing ring, and like, this is what I meant by the post looked like Taffy was creating a narrative moreso then solving, like it seems so hyperfocused on one thing instead of looking holistically, which is a thing that pings me about the post.

If you are villager here (which I kind of think even though you are still POE for me as I need to look back), I think there is a good chance Taffy is just mafia here

[Syn]

I still soulread Syn v

Good poem btw

Think this strengthens my Syn v read
Don't think putting ladd together with v!Waza means anything but I also sus Visor's brain going "I'm gonna join thread and namedrop three townies". Maybe it's wifom. Maybe ladd's still wolf, but not a priority solve atm anyway

if wisdom flips wolf these are the posts that will kill me in the subsequent iso

[Cape90]

I see your point but I think that's something a wolf commonly wouldn't do? As in, why shade a wolf mate and look bad instead of bussing and look good?

It would have made sense if w/w/w but I'm town so that world doesn't exist

Because Visor is a mafia PR and you are VT, ofc mafia would unashamedly avoid voting their mafia PR over a villager

Unless you are just not VT

Eh, I am ungenerously taking it as an intrusive thought until proven otherwise

[Cape90]

Veiled threat acknowledged, but you're basing it on the wrong thing. I did get that that one post was a joke, what I missed though was that you'd changed your vote from Cuth to Wisdom before bc it was below the gif I scrolled past. I still feel like your Wisdom stance seemed to be on two tracks alternating between "she's a wolf" and "I'm not sure on this".






Ask Waza why he liked Wisdom (bc of her sus on Rask, ftr, but I left that quote off)



Now she's a wolf, and the thought of Waza townreading her sus on you is funny



This is a joke (about killing Wisdom on her birthday which I'm not sure is all that funny and might show a guilty consience about it)



Now there's a reason why she's a wolf



Waza's reasons for why she's a wolf is confbias, but your own is still valid



Asking Vaimes to compare Wisdom to two ppl who have barely posted



Vaimes thinks she's the towniest of the three names given so you're going to reread



Now she's a wolf, but with a funny reference to her firefighter claim

Please appreciate how much I had to fight the forum to collect all these quotes, the multiquote function hates me. I hope you see what I meant here, it's like wolf unsure wolf unsure... thought it does look a lot more natural with the Wisdom vote. Also kudos for being the one who asked the good Maple question.

you can read this whole quote wall on yall's own but what I am seeing is

1. Taffy being super aware of any pressure/negative comment they have been getting and feeling a tad abrasive either over it, or just in general

2. I take issue with specifically

Waza's reasons for why she's a wolf is confbias, but your own is still valid

which feels like an egg on.

3. I feel like all this was supposed to be a gotcha on how Rask was hardly explaining his Wisdom suspicion, but then it just... it feels strange that Taffy compiled all of these and basically just summarized most of the posts. And it leaves me feeling like "why is this post so busy? What was I supposed to get out of that? What is Rask supposed to get out of that?"

[Wisdom]

Because Visor is a mafia PR and you are VT, ofc mafia would unashamedly avoid voting their mafia PR over a villager

Unless you are just not VT

Eh, I am ungenerously taking it as an intrusive thought until proven otherwise

I just don't see the need to shade at all then. Good point about the hyper focus vs holistically though, it's true Taffy hasn't really shared a view of the game as a whole. I think it's my best guess at a wolf atm but not feeling confident

[Wisdom]

if wisdom flips wolf these are the posts that will kill me in the subsequent iso

Awooo

[Wisdom]

Cuth v
Syn v
Cape v
Vaimes v

Hally?
Ladd?
Taffy?
Ender? v?
Maple?

That's a winnable PoE I think

[Cape90]

I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit

vote: Wisdom

I was thinking about it and this post looked really strange like first off, Taffy states paranoia of my vote and Hally's pressure on them and this gives them less paranoia of

how fast Wisdom's wagon formed

???

Can I just point out that Hally's name hasn't been mentioned ONCE when Taffy was talking about people they had suspicion on?

Interesting

Well I was indeed mentioned once

I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.

Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w

at like the start of the game. But like even with that, how am I supposed to take this alleged paranoia seriously?

[Cape90]

You didn't think her reads looked hedgy?

I feel like a town here would just point out why Syn was wrong and cite specific examples of Wisdom's hedginess rather then this soft prod tactic, it's like 70% of Taffy's posts are curated to make people sus Wisdom

[Cape90]

I feel like a town here would just point out why Syn was wrong and cite specific examples of Wisdom's hedginess rather then this soft prod tactic, it's like 70% of Taffy's posts are curated to make people sus Wisdom

idk I could kind of see this from like a "Syn is getting less towny" perspective because you want to see how Syn will respond to you

[Cape90]

The only instance when Taffy has townread someone was Maple for like a meta thing, and that was it and I feel uneasy about that.

So Taffy, do you think the threadstate had been generally really not towny day 1?

Anyways I should focus on other people, because if you are town, nothing I just did was at all productive or helpful

Vote: Totally Not Taffy

It's almost like you made that Visor post to specifically make me paranoid about voting him EoD but I know that's a selfish stretch and a half

[Cape90]

You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?

Bruuuuv.

Vote: Visor

I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.

I don't know Visor's or Ender's wolf meta and whether I should be concerned about this

[Cape90]

okay well i just recalled what Ender literally said about that SoD

[Cape90]

Cuth v
Syn v
Cape v
Vaimes v

Hally?
Ladd?
Taffy?
Ender? v?
Maple?

That's a winnable PoE I think

Waza
Hally
Taffy
Cape
Rask
Vaimes
Syn
---------
Ender
Visor/Maple/Cuth
---------
Ladd

So like, what happened with ur Hally read?

[Wisdom]

Hi think my initial Hally vibes were loose and that they were the one hedging the most wrt me. Could have been genuine anxious but I town read others more, so into null they go

[Cape90]

that is very interesting and helpful thank u

kind of ruins my vig soulread tho u_u

yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

[Cape90]

i hesitate to read much into wisdom not self-presing onto visor because i don’t understand why w!wisdom wouldn’t self-pres onto w!visor

visor wasn’t even really playing, wisdom should want to survive over him because at least she was trying and had some people town reading her

feels like one of those things that could mean anything

Yeah I don't really understand that either, but she could be vanilla mafia vs what Visor was, like theoretically i dont think mafia would have wanted Visor to die there... but I also haven't looked closely enough at how good the role actually was so idk.

[Wisdom]

Hi think my initial Hally vibes were loose and that they were the one hedging the most wrt me. Could have been genuine anxious but I town read others more, so into null they go

Erase that initial "hi", it's supposed to be "I" ^^'

[ladd]

Hally isnt a wolf

Its not even for the visor push, they just were obviously a villager posting at eod

[EnderWiggin]

yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

[Totally not Taffy]

Well Happy Birthday Wisdom!

Sorry I haven't read EoD yet but that was too funny

[Totally not Taffy]

I don't think Wisdom is a wolf anymore though

[Totally not Taffy]

My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town

Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.

I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.

Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.

I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good

[Totally not Taffy]

well um, i don’t wanna make the vig feel like shit but my WIM kinda tanked seeing that shot

i guess i didn’t realize rask was actually that wolf read or i would have been more forceful expressing my town read there

just kind of shocked tbh

don't look at me I know I sussed Rask yesterday but I am not the vig
maybe there's an SK?

[Totally not Taffy]

i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

Why would you shoot the cw to a wolf?
I should probably read what happened EoD first but this doesn't make sense to me

[Totally not Taffy]

i'm ready to kill wisdom whenever tbh

razor suggests she didn't want to vote her buddy

by all rights she should've been vigged

(other option is she's a v who felt bad for voting a low-poster, but i hate that)

Or she fully expected to die anyway and was voting who she wanted to vote
there's no guarantee that your cw two hours before EoD will still be a viable wagon at the end

[Totally not Taffy]

Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

Oh well so far for the SK idea then