Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[nebjiamn]

think im going to just ride or die with this core today in hopes it works out?
6. nebjiamn - pros- voted a wolf (luck), out of wolf range, exceedingly villagery. cons- sucks at werewolf and only suspects town after day 1.
3. Visor - pros- voted a wolf, strong SOD1. cons- not much explaining after mid-d1.
4. didistetter - pros- voted a wolf, exceedingly strong EOD1, tonally has been mostly stellar, has progressions i think she struggles to make as wolf vs this spoecific playerlist. cons- some weird posting early day 1
14. dyachei - pros- sounds like town whenever they post, several people have cleared them for a post @ sunbae. cons- activity is low so can be hard to lock in the read
10. waza - pros- objectively lots of early townsiding in the form of townreads which is very much within waza's meta, exceedingly strong EOD1 whwerein he defended towns while postcapped with votes and unvotes. cons- probably the most capable wolf in the lobby? lots of the TRs were thin/TMI-ish so could get away with it.

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

should be not-mafia barring bastard mechanics or an unclaimed town PR
11. Taffy - pros- pr claim that makes sense given rask's flip. should imply impossibility that they could be wolf pending no other town CCs. cons- nature of their KP is delayed and counterable, could be 3p as easy as they are town but doesn't really matter while wolves are alive.

same generic concern pile as everyone else
2. ladd - pros- lots of believable town reads and conviction behind them. cons- primary push day 1 was not wolf and the insistence on it was non-collaborative in ways that ring like w!ladd
7. Maple - pros- a pr claim. cons- a pr claim. both EODs have been absolutely horrendous and the rest of their dayplay isn't super inspiring either
8. Lissa - pros- voted a wolf. tonally good, 'threadspewed' town d1. cons- eod1 besides the vote is kinda rough in hindsight. last vote on the wolf and it was a 2 vote split, so in theory the vote didn't 'matter' in that sense.
12. Ender - pros- i legit have no idea? lots of the pros i had hinged on a w!arctic world. i need to dive in more on ender. cons- same idrk

[nebjiamn]

vote: lissa
vote: ender
vote: maple

if we had ranked choice voting my ballot would look like this (in reverse)

not that i wouldn't vote ladd today but i do feel like i'm least likely to land there on him for now.

i'd love to see some comprehensive game views of these 3 ppl

[didistetter]

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

wait what

you and ladd were the people i was sheeping on his meta ;-;

do i actually need to go meta dive him cause i think his posts have been weird

[didistetter]

@nebjiamn

i might be overcooking

is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?

so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
@Visor it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night

[ladd]

Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard

Doesnt make them a villager tho

I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc

I also just find them villagery even without meta

[didistetter]

Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard

Doesnt make them a villager tho

I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc

I also just find them villagery even without meta

so an ability flavored fruit vendor that marks for death would be bastard?

kk ill not get too lost in that then

possibility of wolf arso would just be p cooked for us if we cant get a correct lim today
and presumably if maple provable gave visor a track she cant be wolf kp unless its like, inventions that also douse

[didistetter]

capage wolf game

ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here

can check that off

pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully

[EnderWiggin]

capage wolf game

ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here

can check that off

pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully

Yeah.

Like unless Pzelda has improved vastly this is just their town game.

As said. As wolf is wet noodle. Is noodling not-wetly.

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn

i might be overcooking

is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?

so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
@Visor it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night

this is kind of what i was alluding to when I asked visor if there was some chance there could be consequences, but the more I think about it the less I can imagine an implementation where it isn't bastard

[pzelda]

I'm here and I'm finally in front of a normal display. I'm going to reread the game and collect my thoughts. At least that's the plan.

First about the yesterday. Shortly before the deadline it became almost evident that a miselim was about to happen. I know I was passive myself, but I think looking at players who were happy with the state of the thread is a good idea. Yeah, I def won't sheep Benneh today and I'll put some effort into solving him, knowing that most if not all of his pushes d1 and d2 were on town.
Annika dying at night is spicy and I won't read too much into it. I'm interested to hear from Visor tbh.

[pzelda]

Soe early thoughts, while catching up.

1. Wolves are not afraid of Taffy
2. People I want to tr the most rn are ladd/dya/stett/waza
3. I probably should pay more attention to dya. That's not the best d3 entrance.
4. I think Benneh started the day well. I'm not sheeping him today, but I still lean that it's more likely for him to be town. Esp. if he does another reread of the game.
5. If Ladd is a wolf, he's walking a narrow line. I mean lissa/maple makes sense. I need to check if it's clear how he arrived there.
6. Yeah, Lissa is also someone to reconsider. It would be funny if my d1 lissa/maple w/w vibes were real.
7. I keep forgetting about Ender. I think they should be town, but I admit that it's not based on much and that's not good for d3.
8. I can see an outside chance of Visor being a wolf. I think my problem with him is that I both townlean him and I want him to be town. I like being on a team with nl.
9. I should focus on whether Maple actually cares about solving the game.
10. lissa/maple/ender/ladd poe seems about right. Funny is that it's ladd's poe plus ladd. I feel that before setling on it we should talk more about Taffy (and I would like to see where they are at rn. What's their read on Benneh now?). We probably should talk some more about Visor and push him to post something more substantial. It's d3 after all. Maybe everyone posting their list in the first half of d3 would be a good idea.

tbh not sure how to approach a proper reread after such a long time. Hopefully, It's not a total mess.

[pzelda]

Also I was thinking about my d1 pushes. Usually I used to have at least one good read on a wolf on d1. I know my push on Sunbae was on a pr. I would switch after that wall tbh. My push on Taffy is unsolved, but they claimed a pr. My push on Arctic was on a town pr. So, who were other players I scumread d1? Early on Lissa and Manti, Stett. I think I stopped scumleaning Maple after finding out they were Manti. Or reading them at all for some time. I stopped suspecting Lissa after she started to be active and solving. And stett got more comfortable and active and It looked like they became interested in solving the game after some while.

[Visor]

I see two worlds

One where it is just something like ender maple and Lissa and they've just struggled on an individual level to eke out value

And then a world where we are townreading ppl like benneh who went stupidly hard on arctic

For now I think I am content to let us kill one in the former pile and see what pops out because I don't think I can do anything about the other side until people die and are forced to reconsider

[nebjiamn]

bro everything arctic has said about me this game has been so dumb

vote: ladd

feels right

arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit

everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh

sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???

njahhhhh taffy's scum tf you mean i might invent arctic a vest mfer the wolf bomb difuser died and youre an arso vests and shit dont work against ignites

we have a meowted 3p

lissa zelda vote with me

thats cap but meow meow let arctic die in the night

talk to me about your dya and ladd reads

[pzelda]

I see two worlds

One where it is just something like ender maple and Lissa and they've just struggled on an individual level to eke out value

And then a world where we are townreading ppl like benneh who went stupidly hard on arctic

For now I think I am content to let us kill one in the former pile and see what pops out because I don't think I can do anything about the other side until people die and are forced to reconsider

If Benneh is powerwolfing here it feels like he's overperforming. I think less effort would be needed to stay alive as wolf in this game. I guess this isn't the healthiest take, but it's also something I've been considering.

[pzelda]

Ender putting himself in the POE is towny from him imho.

He knows he's not the towniest player and he's not a tryhard to make himself one. Also as a wolf he would be more likely to use pushes against him (such as mine) to push his agenda without looking inconsistent.

[nebjiamn]

i hate the multiquote feature on this site.

that post was @Visor

[nebjiamn]

think im going to just ride or die with this core today in hopes it works out?
6. nebjiamn - pros- voted a wolf (luck), out of wolf range, exceedingly villagery. cons- sucks at werewolf and only suspects town after day 1.
3. Visor - pros- voted a wolf, strong SOD1. cons- not much explaining after mid-d1.
4. didistetter - pros- voted a wolf, exceedingly strong EOD1, tonally has been mostly stellar, has progressions i think she struggles to make as wolf vs this spoecific playerlist. cons- some weird posting early day 1
14. dyachei - pros- sounds like town whenever they post, several people have cleared them for a post @ sunbae. cons- activity is low so can be hard to lock in the read
10. waza - pros- objectively lots of early townsiding in the form of townreads which is very much within waza's meta, exceedingly strong EOD1 whwerein he defended towns while postcapped with votes and unvotes. cons- probably the most capable wolf in the lobby? lots of the TRs were thin/TMI-ish so could get away with it.

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

should be not-mafia barring bastard mechanics or an unclaimed town PR
11. Taffy - pros- pr claim that makes sense given rask's flip. should imply impossibility that they could be wolf pending no other town CCs. cons- nature of their KP is delayed and counterable, could be 3p as easy as they are town but doesn't really matter while wolves are alive.

same generic concern pile as everyone else
2. ladd - pros- lots of believable town reads and conviction behind them. cons- primary push day 1 was not wolf and the insistence on it was non-collaborative in ways that ring like w!ladd
7. Maple - pros- a pr claim. cons- a pr claim. both EODs have been absolutely horrendous and the rest of their dayplay isn't super inspiring either
8. Lissa - pros- voted a wolf. tonally good, 'threadspewed' town d1. cons- eod1 besides the vote is kinda rough in hindsight. last vote on the wolf and it was a 2 vote split, so in theory the vote didn't 'matter' in that sense.
12. Ender - pros- i legit have no idea? lots of the pros i had hinged on a w!arctic world. i need to dive in more on ender. cons- same idrk

i think i have good reasons for my poe and yes you fall into the bottom tier but i'm not really sure who you think i should be clearing less to move you up?

how should i viewing this game instead fypov? lol idgi

ignore the spoiler if you want, cause i'm just straight up venting in there, but tl;dr is tell me where / who you think you are more townie of that i need to be suspecting in your place rn? i will gladly entertain any discussion on the people above you but up until this point i don't think most of them you would have entertained besides 1 or maybe 2, and those would be on the poeple i have some of the strongest reasons to tr? but lay it out for me and ill consider it while i wait for eod

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i mean purely guessing froma poe standpoint, i'd guess you'd probably reply back that i should have more concerns with waza and visor. and I do on a tinfoil level.

but waza's EOD posting while uncapped where he basically communicated with votes seems very clearing, especially since arctic flipped town. and him posting about falling on his own sword so he coul dbe elim'd because arctic was 'outed' yesterday and he wanted to just douse him also feels good.

re: visor i could see him being a wolf in some worlds but i'd be rejecting how i feel about his day 1 posts which made me think very strongly he was town on my reread. i don't love that he can't find me here but i think the way he's framing things and referencing a mash from 8 years ago really tells me he is going hard for the conspiracy to get me killed in f5/f3 or he's just a town who is skill issuing like he has on me in the past 3 or 4 games. dude just cant find me to save his own life cause of some

cause i know you don't have an issue with me clearing dya or stett. taffy should never be wolf unless we're in a bastard game which I thinkw e both agree on is a fruitless tinfoil. and pzelda has been basically beaten over my head as a spewed townie all game long. and I agree with that!!!! but people have mostly refused to have any discussion for more than 3 seconds about htem being a wolf, so whatever.

so how on earth should i be reading this game? I put you in my poe but i gave you plenty of space today and even said i think i more likely land my vote in the other 3. then i catch shit from stett who's basically thinking i don't wolf read you enough so i OFFER HER A LINE to help me understand her pov and clarify my own to help her find me so we can find common ground and i can understand where she was on you in relation to maple/lissa ender. where the fuck do i win lol, i dont have any fuckin answers in this game, i'm doing my absolute best to try to uncover every absofuckinlutely last possible nook and cranny of this game to solve it cause its fuckin hard, so i'm sorry if i can't lock clear you with our given flips but its just my view of the game

[ladd]

i think i have good reasons for my poe and yes you fall into the bottom tier but i'm not really sure who you think i should be clearing less to move you up?

how should i viewing this game instead fypov? lol idgi

ignore the spoiler if you want, cause i'm just straight up venting in there, but tl;dr is tell me where / who you think you are more townie of that i need to be suspecting in your place rn? i will gladly entertain any discussion on the people above you but up until this point i don't think most of them you would have entertained besides 1 or maybe 2, and those would be on the poeple i have some of the strongest reasons to tr? but lay it out for me and ill consider it while i wait for eod

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i mean purely guessing froma poe standpoint, i'd guess you'd probably reply back that i should have more concerns with waza and visor. and I do on a tinfoil level.

but waza's EOD posting while uncapped where he basically communicated with votes seems very clearing, especially since arctic flipped town. and him posting about falling on his own sword so he coul dbe elim'd because arctic was 'outed' yesterday and he wanted to just douse him also feels good.

re: visor i could see him being a wolf in some worlds but i'd be rejecting how i feel about his day 1 posts which made me think very strongly he was town on my reread. i don't love that he can't find me here but i think the way he's framing things and referencing a mash from 8 years ago really tells me he is going hard for the conspiracy to get me killed in f5/f3 or he's just a town who is skill issuing like he has on me in the past 3 or 4 games. dude just cant find me to save his own life cause of some

cause i know you don't have an issue with me clearing dya or stett. taffy should never be wolf unless we're in a bastard game which I thinkw e both agree on is a fruitless tinfoil. and pzelda has been basically beaten over my head as a spewed townie all game long. and I agree with that!!!! but people have mostly refused to have any discussion for more than 3 seconds about htem being a wolf, so whatever.

so how on earth should i be reading this game? I put you in my poe but i gave you plenty of space today and even said i think i more likely land my vote in the other 3. then i catch shit from stett who's basically thinking i don't wolf read you enough so i OFFER HER A LINE to help me understand her pov and clarify my own to help her find me so we can find common ground and i can understand where she was on you in relation to maple/lissa ender. where the fuck do i win lol, i dont have any fuckin answers in this game, i'm doing my absolute best to try to uncover every absofuckinlutely last possible nook and cranny of this game to solve it cause its fuckin hard, so i'm sorry if i can't lock clear you with our given flips but its just my view of the game

What pinged me is youu saying ladd is "very concernng" like i had commited some high crime against the crown when imo i am perfectly fine and findable from how i handled arftic claim and played d2/d3 and afaict yohr only point against me is that i pushed taffy (which like sure? But i was never gonna rask d1 unless i was there for eod).

Are you not concernwd how your whole PoE came into today pushing me? Does it feel like any of thrm has a good reason to w read me?

For the spoiler-

I can argue i should be above visor and maybe waza but tbh i dont really care cause like you said i dont think they are wolves. What really set me off is you saying i am very concerning cause i am like wat?