Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Totally not Taffy]

im so tunneled on annika rn

reading arctic's posts today i can totally see him being a dumbass who doesnt actually read his role. i know gemma RCs are a bit much w/ flavour and very dif formatting to what he might be used to

doubt he's not not going over here, would rather hvae him get his action off and just ignite the dude like what possible role could he have that matters that much if the wolves have a doc i doubt they ALSO have kp so like why are we killing him rather than optimizing our KP?

i dont get that from ben, cause he talked about kp optimization but like waht could arctic possibly have thats so bad that we can clear out poe cause i HIGHLY doubt that taff gets a kill of this game *if she even is town*

1) You could be a mafia inventor who plans on giving Arctic a vest and then he lives and you use the "Sunbae must have saved Arctic" theory to clear him
2) I could get roleblocked and then Arctic lives etc. etc.
3) Arctic could be N2 mafia kp

if everyone would please stop finding reasons not to kill Arctic I'd be able to sleep
I very desperately need sleep

Vote: Arctic

please

Taffy (20)

[Lissa]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 656

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (48), Visor (50), ladd (34), waza (56)
3	Arctic	EnderWiggin (54), Lissa (49), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	ladd	nebjiamn (53)
1	Maple	annika (49)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (43)
1	annika	Maple (49)
1	Raskolnikov	didistetter (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

vote: maple

i meant to also get these in there idk how that didn't happen

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becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.

Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.

The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.


a few hedges:

972 was probably the best post from his spiel

He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.

He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.

that doesn't actually confirm him. it just confirms he used An Action that wasn't a kill

[Maple]

sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???

[annika]

wait when was he top wagon?

i went and checked and he was never fully top wagon in the last few minutes of eod

i mean i pretty strongly believe that he is a wolf

but the thing about top wagon is just factually incorrect, he was tied for a VERY brief window between visor and your rask votes and iirc that window wasn't all that long? i miss second timestamps lol

wasntit like 2/2/2/2/2 and then 3/3/3

[Maple]

njahhhhh taffy's scum tf you mean i might invent arctic a vest mfer the wolf bomb difuser died and youre an arso vests and shit dont work against ignites

[Lissa]

wasntit like 2/2/2/2/2 and then 3/3/3

he might've been tied in the 2/2/2/2/2 but I don't really like. count that as being top wagon because lol, fair enough if you do I guess. it was also a bit earlier though if so, I'm not sure exactly when

then it was 3/3/3 but like

not for very long I don't think? if I remember the timing right

[annika]

can i just like not read am i losing my mind?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

(at this Exact point arctic was in a 3 way tie)

I'm confused about why we're talking like there was some kind of meaningfully long window where Arctic was top wagon.

ooop I must've misremembered then

[Maple]

furthermore

95% of hosts dont let vests work the same night you get them

[nebjiamn]

Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town

yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol

i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result

on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.


im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!

[annika]

yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol

I don't think it's you, I think we probably have the same mindset wrt EoD

[Lissa]

curios what were these silly reasons? @Lissa

gotta be real I don't remember lmao.

I thumbed through the posting to try to jog my memory and I'm still not sure.

it MIGHT have had something to do with this post

also ftr your annika read is also premature but you already know all your reads are

if they were any good at the game ladd and visor would get in here and call you bronana and espouse the the reality of you being town while giving a read on a 3-word-posting bee and stett's intro

but c'est la vie and all

or it might've been more of like a general thing

one of those lol

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arctic trying to suggest that me + ben are the wolves is some wild stuff

i do not believe that he ever believes that

[Lissa]

Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town

yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol

i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result

on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.


im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!

you might genuinely be one of the most obvious villagers i have ever seen idk what some people are thinkin

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 1122

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Arctic	EnderWiggin (21), Lissa (33), Totally not Taffy (19), dyachei (13), pzelda (31)
2	dyachei	Visor (26), didistetter (44)
1	EnderWiggin	waza (45)
1	Lissa	Arctic (48)
1	ladd	Maple (40)
3	Not Voting	annika (32), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)

[Maple]

vote: taffy

straight meowted honestly this is never village


poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)

annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender

for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v

non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit

[pzelda]

I might feel alien because I haven't been able to properly get the feel for the game today. Esp, after the claim. I believe Benneh, but I also had some doubts. Now, I'm back to almost blidnly trusting him. And that means trusting Lissa too. The thing with Benneh is that I not only read him as town I trust him enough to sheep him and to keep my vote on Arctic. You might have noticed that I was exploring some options, but I kept my vote firmly on Arctic.

[Totally not Taffy]

sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???

Idk and I'm not going to go check but the other reasons are still valid either way

Taffy (21?)

[Lissa]

reading this EoD i think sunbae got NKed tbh. He was pretty heavy handed with the PRs soft

wdym soft lol

he straight claimed pr

honestly i kinda wondered if it was fps because i didn't think he was really in true danger but i might've misread the room a bit

obv him claiming made more sense seeing what the pr WAS

but thats a bit of a tangent

random setup spec thought - rask role being an hard counter to taffy is a bit weird cause like if taffy is the only villa kp and they are being countered this hard its kinda useless? rask role basically means that realistically no wolves would die to bombs until that role is alive

part of why i feel like it makes a lot of sense for taffy to be a neut

[Maple]

yall hear me out

how funny is it if we grief gemma by killing the 2 roles most central to this setups gimmick d1 d2

hilarious

[annika]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over

[Arctic]

@Totally not Taffy since im confirmed town in 15 minutes you should listen to me and douse lissa then kill her the next night

[waza]

Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town

yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol

i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result

on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.


im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!

ironically enough when i was tinfoiling you near sod i thought in my head it was justified but then when i see others do it i think "how are you possibly scumreading this guy!!?"

[waza]

vote: taffy

straight meowted honestly this is never village


poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)

annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender

for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v

non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit

how is taffy outed and never village iyo?

what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)

but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol

[Lissa]

i think waza's reaction to arctic being 'outed wolf' overnight is near lock clearing? volunteering as the elim for his 'abhorrent wolfsiding' fhpov so arctic can be ignited just doesn't seem like how a wolf reacts to the news, whether its real or fake?

agree

i do think dya has had some villagery moments tbh it just doesn't seem as strong as the reasons a lot of people are super villagery itg and there's also been some stuff that felt weird

also pog let's go audrey

yall hear me out

how funny is it if we grief gemma by killing the 2 roles most central to this setups gimmick d1 d2

hilarious

LMAO

[pzelda]

Vote: Ender

Let's see if we can make him appear.

[Totally not Taffy]

See now this is a lot more how I expect wolf!Maple to behave when a buddy is getting yeeted

Taffy (22)

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 1136

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Arctic	EnderWiggin (21), Lissa (35), Totally not Taffy (21), dyachei (13)
2	EnderWiggin	pzelda (33), waza (47)
2	dyachei	Visor (26), didistetter (44)
1	Lissa	Arctic (49)
1	Totally not Taffy	Maple (42)
3	Not Voting	annika (33), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)

12 minutes left.

[Maple]

how is taffy outed and never village iyo?

what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)

but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol

the shit shes saying about her role just doesnt line up

accuses me of being w/w with arctic and taht i'll save him with a vest even tho shes ARSO and im INVENTOR which doesnt make SENSE

plus

none of the 3 PRs knew about the anticlaim but somehow taff did but that doesnt make sense more likely taff kenw about anticlaim because 3p

and idcccccccccccc people are gonna suspect me as long as im alive because im me so it literally doesnt matter

[annika]

guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over

how is taffy outed and never village iyo?

what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)

but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol

See now this is a lot more how I expect wolf!Maple to behave when a buddy is getting yeeted

Taffy (22)

lmao
just when I changed my mind..

[Maple]

like youre telling me

the arsonist sees a wolf firefighter flip

and then is like

hmmmmm the inventor might be a wolf

because she could possibly invent a vest to anotehr wolf and stop me from igniting

hello?

[waza]

the shit shes saying about her role just doesnt line up

accuses me of being w/w with arctic and taht i'll save him with a vest even tho shes ARSO and im INVENTOR which doesnt make SENSE

plus

none of the 3 PRs knew about the anticlaim but somehow taff did but that doesnt make sense more likely taff kenw about anticlaim because 3p

and idcccccccccccc people are gonna suspect me as long as im alive because im me so it literally doesnt matter

yeah but like why didnt u say any of this sooner, you had the whole day whilst arctic was getting buried to interject and push taffy