Great Britain is not an Island

[Incongruous]

Eh, no, if only humans were individuals without that hive-mind-like thinking of nationalism that creates virtual hives they call nations which then engage in pointless wars over made-up constructs of glory and honour.

WTF?

What on earth does this have to with the discussion. No matter how Humans see themselves they will always fight and kill, be you Tribesman or Citizen. It matters not.

What this discussion is really about, is taking the UK down a peg or to by trying your hardest to tell us who were are or are not, for no good reason.

[Husar]

WTF?

What on earth does this have to with the discussion. No matter how Humans see themselves they will always fight and kill, be you Tribesman or Citizen. It matters not.

What this discussion is really about, is taking the UK down a peg or to by trying your hardest to tell us who were are or are not, for no good reason.

So first you complain that my post has nothing to do with the discussion and then you complain about the discussion, which has a very good reason, having fun.

But I do not see how the discussion is supposed to bring you down, it's supposed to make you accept your european brothers instead of trying to stay alone on your little island playing empire when you aren't one anymore. The world wants to welcome the British but for some reason they don't want to welcome the world.

[Furunculus]

couple of points:
1. We accept our europeanness, but that does not mean we wish to be assimilated by the EU 'borg'.

2. We do accept the world, we trade all over it, more as a percentage of the total than any other EU nation i'll wager when considering trade outside the EU bloc.

3. Maybe a freudian slip on your part, but the EU does not equal the world.

[Husar]

couple of points:
1. We accept our europeanness, but that does not mean we wish to be assimilated by the EU 'borg'.

Okay, maybe i got a wrong impression there about your europeanness.

2. We do accept the world, we trade all over it, more as a percentage of the total than any other EU nation i'll wager when considering trade outside the EU bloc.

Yes, that is nice, but trade isn't everything.

3. Maybe a freudian slip on your part, but the EU does not equal the world.

Well, it is the first step in europe towards the world government, you may not believe it but your great grandson will live it.

[Furunculus]

Okay, maybe i got a wrong impression there about your europeanness.

Yes, that is nice, but trade isn't everything.

Well, it is the first step in europe towards the world government, you may not believe it but your great grandson will live it.

very nice of you to admit it.

so as well as trading with the world, and travelling in droves all over it, and acting as a massive hub for education from other parts of the world, we are still lacking a certain something?
perhaps we should have mandatory world empathy sessions set-up in every village across the land to ensure we are suitably 'nice' world citizens.

i certainly hope not!

[Louis VI the Fat]

The topic of this thread is not 'the UK must/musn't be a member of the EU/Euro/European federation'. The topic deals with the step that precedes that. With the myths that surround and cloud the debate about the EU in Britain. The subject is to rubbish several of these national myths about Britain.
These myths play a large part in the British debate about the EU. Which, of course, is why I brought them up. That is only the relevance of this thread and the topic, but not the topic itself.

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A box of crayons.

Each one is different. But, none can claim to be unique in being different, since all of them are different from one another. This is the fallacy.

There is no such thing as 'this set is divided in two: a singular pink crayon and the continent of the other eleven crayons'. Even if indeed the pinky crayon can rightfully claim to be different from all the others.

[Husar]

That's a nice box of crayons.

[Furunculus]

The topic of this thread is not 'the UK must/musn't be a member of the EU/Euro/European federation'. The topic deals with the step that precedes that. With the myths that surround and cloud the debate about the EU in Britain. The subject is to rubbish several of these national myths about Britain.
These myths play a large part in the British debate about the EU. Which, of course, is why I brought them up. That is only the relevance of this thread and the topic, but not the topic itself.

A box of crayons.
Each one is different. But, none can claim to be unique in being different, since all of them are different from one another. This is the fallacy.

We are not interested in ever deeper union. And it certainly is not a price we are willing to pay given that many of the understood benefits of that ever deeper union do not really apply to us.

Here is a national myth for you; we don't get invaded very much. that certainly does influence my thoughts when i think about the EU.
You haven't managed to rubbish much of anything, you haven't managed to demonstrate much of anything, this thread is dead in the water as far as advancing your intention goes, but it has been an excellent thread insomuch as it has allowed me to explain why we don't really give a damn about ever deeper union.

Your crayon analogy doesn't really apply, because there are lots of continental nations that are willing to move with the ever deeper union momemtum, which is there choice, but does remove the defence that they are all unique in this respect.

[Incongruous]

So first you complain that my post has nothing to do with the discussion and then you complain about the discussion, which has a very good reason, having fun.

But I do not see how the discussion is supposed to bring you down, it's supposed to make you accept your european brothers instead of trying to stay alone on your little island playing empire when you aren't one anymore. The world wants to welcome the British but for some reason they don't want to welcome the world.

Oh please, I am not and niether are my countrymen playing Empire and niether are we closing ourselves off to the World, you know this and what you posted was garbage, I have not enied the UK as being part of Europe, its just that as far as I and the vast majority of my fellows are concerned, it is an Island.

What this boils down to as it seems to me, is about some people being all upset by our continued national narrative of an island, part of Europe, but not bowed to the same continental winds as you are, somehow different.

In effect, a petty grievance and nothing more.