Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
By that standard, all of us -- save perhaps Costa Rica -- are all immoral bastards. All of our nations have waged wars, often aggressively and some without even a "fig-leaf" to hide behind.

The only "moral" stance would be passive defense and letting the other guy kill you -- only using violence in a limited fashion and only when there existed virtually no possibility of any non-combatant taking the chop. That's as close to "never" as possible.

So, Idaho, your stance seems to boil down to -- no, you have never stated such in so many words -- "Israel should quit and cede political control to the Palestinians." That's even less likely then my "go passive" odd new approach suggestion.
Indeed, we are all... or have been, immoral bastards.

So the question is: who's job is it to solve this problem; stop this seemingly wanton killing? Israel? US? Palestine? Iran?

Idaho seems to think that absent US military hardware and support, Israel would crumble militarily. That might be a valid point.

I humbly posit that it is on the Palestinian people, those folks who feel oppressed, to get bold, throw off the yoke of perceived oppression, declare themselves an independent people, and form their own country.

Write a declaration of independence. Ignore and refuse any and all aid from their oppressors. Form a government, declare borders, fly a flag, issue a currency, form an army, construct a police force, hold verifiable elections, and so on and so on.

What's with waiting to be given freedom? It is not given. It is taken. Asserted. Assumed. Those 'inalienable' thingees a smart guy wrote about a few years back.

Wanna see US public opinion, and gov't policy change in a week? Try that.

Ditch the rockets and mortar fire. That's teeanage and tribal get-even stuff.

In this idiot's opinion.