Closing Down Club Gitmo

[lars573]

Good. This was a long time coming. An end to the 21st centuries first concentration camp.

[Strike For The South]

Good. This was a long time coming. An end to the 21st centuries first concentration camp.

The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is

[LittleGrizzly]

About damn time we stopped trying to bring ourselves down to the level of the terrorists, maybe now america can lecture other countries on justice and torture without being hypocritical...

[Mooks]

About damn time we stopped trying to bring ourselves down to the level of the terrorists, maybe now america can lecture other countries on justice and torture without being hypocritical...

I really doubt that will ever happen.

[Hooahguy]

aw.... now where am i going to get my strippers from?

[CountArach]

About bloody time.

[BigTex]

The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is

What do you mean lately? There's always been a flare for melodrama in the backroom, something to do with bleeding hearts and hormones.

As for the topic, pretty neutral about it, it served a purpose.

[Watchman]

You mean they were actually planning to drag the US name through the mud ?

[lars573]

The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is

I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.

[Strike For The South]

I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.

Indulge me, if you would.

[lars573]

All NAZI concentration camps were built originally to house political prisoners like socialists and communists. And later POW's. For example Auschwitz (well the first one anyway, there were 3) was built to house Soviet POW's in 1941. They didn't start to house Jews and other "undesireables" till later on. Soviet GULAG's (GULAG is actually an acronym for the NKVD branch that ran them) were built political prisoners. Most of whom had been kidnapped in the middle of the night. And shipped to a camp and held without trial for years on end. Stop me if that sounds familiar. Soviet GULAG's also housed criminals who's crime didn't warrant an imediate execution. And during WW2 Germans were also guests.

For fun GULAG means, The Chief Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Colonies (bolds are where the letter for the acronym come from). And in Russian that comes out to GULAG.

[Lord Winter]

I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.

Not even close, there's a difference to be something that is a threat to human rights and the full scale indiscriminate murder of a race.

[HoreTore]

Not even close, there's a difference to be something that is a threat to human rights and the full scale indiscriminate murder of a race.

As Lars correctly pointed out, and you would've known if you bothered to read his post, is that the nazi concentration camps wasn't about extermination until later in the war(after Hitler's "final solution").

[Lord Winter]

As Lars correctly pointed out, and you would've known if you bothered to read his post, is that the nazi concentration camps wasn't about extermination until later in the war(after Hitler's "final solution").

I'm sorry he posted at the same time I was composing mine, I didn't see it.


It's still an incredibly major stretch. Gitmo isn't being used domestically to enforce Bush's rule. Its a botched, immoral holding place for POW's. Random democrats aren't being arrested in the middle of the night for opposing the state. Comparing Bush to the nazi's is laughable, honestly I don't like Bush but he's no hitler or Stalin, or even any other lesser dictator.

Godwins law by the way

[Husar]

That Bush isn't Hitler doesn't mean that his camps aren't similar to Hitler's.
FYI similar is similar, not equal.

Anyway, good to know that America is removing this ugly stain from it's gray west.

It's vest, isn't it?

[lars573]

I'm sorry he posted at the same time I was composing mine, I didn't see it.


It's still an incredibly major stretch. Gitmo isn't being used domestically to enforce Bush's rule. Its a botched, immoral holding place for POW's. Random democrats aren't being arrested in the middle of the night for opposing the state. Comparing Bush to the nazi's is laughable, honestly I don't like Bush but he's no hitler or Stalin, or even any other lesser dictator.

Godwins law by the way

Godwins law no , you don't suppose I knew full well what I was doing. Do you? Any how it's not as much of a stretch as you might think. Gitmo has people inprisoned for years without any kind of trial for political beliefs and political action (or just the suspicion of action). Action in the form of revolutionary violence. Soviet GULAG camps had the same kind of prisoners. NAZI concentration camps too (in the begining). But as similar as Gitmo and the GULAG camps/Concentration camps were their are differences.

Firstly is that the US military and intelligence services wants it's Gitmo inmates alive and talking. I'd have a hard time believing that the NKVD and the SS wanted the same for their camp inmates. The US government used a military base in a hostile foregin nation so that they could get away with this illegal operation. The Soviets and the NAZI's has no such needs. Any person who complained about the camps (if they knew about them), woud become their next guest. Also the NKVD had the power to imprison people for 5 or 10 years with no trial at all. Being suspected/accused of actions "against the revolution" was enough. The US doesn't work the Gitmo inmates half to death either (google the road of bones for more on that).


Gitmo and the Soviet/NAZI camps may not be exactly alike. But they are discomfortably similar.