Closing Down Club Gitmo

**HoreTore** · 01-08-2009, 12:33

Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

Illegal detention and torture seem to be quite similar to me. Mind you if I was in charge I'd have done the same and then killed them so hey ho.

Now what was that reason we invented the legal system again...?

**Ja'chyra** · 01-08-2009, 13:14

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Now what was that reason we invented the legal system again...?

To ensure the people sent to these camps are the right ones?

**HoreTore** · 01-08-2009, 13:26

Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

To ensure the people sent to these camps are the right ones?

Aha!

And with your "kill them all" attitude; would innocent people get killed as well?

If the answer is yes; isn't that a rather silly thing?

**Ja'chyra** · 01-08-2009, 14:24

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Aha!

And with your "kill them all" attitude; would innocent people get killed as well?

If the answer is yes; isn't that a rather silly thing?

Obviously not as my government would be infallible.

But anyone found commiting or planning to commit terrorist acts against my country would be detained, information about terrorsist activities extracted and then would be quietly disposed of. Tbh I can't see any other way of eradicating fanatics that doesn't involve global war.

**HoreTore** · 01-08-2009, 15:00

Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

But anyone found commiting or planning to commit terrorist acts against my country would be detained, information about terrorsist activities extracted and then would be quietly disposed of. Tbh I can't see any other way of eradicating fanatics that doesn't involve global war.

Do I have to remind you why we invented our legal system yet again?

We cannot, under any circumstance, allow one branch of our government perform investigation, trial and sentence. To do so would ensure the murder of innocents by the government, something which is done in systems of government other than civilized democracy's. And the number of completely innocent people having spent years on Gitmo certainly proves that.

There is a reason why we have courts. Sentencing people should not be done lightly, quickly or without proper checks and balances. The court system ensrues that. The CIA or FBI alone does not. Period.

It's not about giving a fair trial to Osama Bin Laden, it's to ensure that the guy you have actually is Osama Bin Laden.

The only real way out of the mess Gitmo has made, is to instantly give full criminal rights to each every prisoner there. Treat them exactly as you would've treated any other criminal, which is what should've been done in the first place. Yes, I do realize that means that most, if not all, cases will be thrown out of court due to the extreme number of illegal practices they've been subjected to. But the lives of a few hundred of these guys aren't even close to worth as much as the american legal system.

I'd take a shining and fair legal system over the vengeance on a few hundred bearded idiots any day of the week. These are the western values everyone are talking about, why aren't we defending them? Why are we throwing them in the garbage to sate our bloodlust?

**Ja'chyra** · 01-08-2009, 15:12

Where did I say they wouldn't have to be proven guilty first?

But in all reality innocent people will always be punished in error but this shouldn't be used as an excuse for not punishing the guilty.

**HoreTore** · 01-08-2009, 15:15

Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

But in all reality innocent people will always be punished in error

Our justice system is based on the opposite - thankfully.

We can never, ever accept an innocent man being punished for something he has not done.

Anyway, back to Gitmo, the trouble is that as of today, none of them are guilty. They have not been found guilty by a court of law, and thus they are to be treated as innocents, as suspects, not convicts.