The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

Andrres

he spelled the hosts name wrong in the double-quoted pm....does it mean it is faked?

[Askthepizzaguy]

YLC

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YLC_

Vote:CA, OMGUS vote. 112
WIFOM 115.
Acceptable post, 119
Good defense 128
Goes after Reenk after his oddness, 130
Super aggressive... 133. Occam's razor suggests this is townie behavior, not WIFOM.
questions Reenk with a good question: 135
Inquisitor: 138
keeps up the discussion 140
LOL: 143
Good posts rest of page.
vote: tevash 178
Bold defense: 182

Good discussion: page 3

Too aggressive to be mafia, occam's razor suggests: 245.

Good play if mafia. Surely fools me.

247, more of the same. He's an inquisitor like me

Part of Tevash bandwagon...
Paying attention, page 5

LOL prefers I'd be dead... 408. Scummy, but typical YLC

Pretending to be a killer 410. Mafia keeping him alive because of that.

Finds me suspicious... scummy, but typical YLC.

Mafia is trying to frame YLC, or he's got big fat cojones and WIFOM with post number 507:

"GAH! When will it end? Why do I so accurately guess who is going to die each night? I say you to the mafia, and the Vig/SK - stop trying to frame me, I'm not your shield! If I say I want Sigurd dead tonight, what are you going to do? If I say Boudica, what will you do?

*breathes* I see the win in front of me, and oh how bitter does it taste..."

Contributes page 7
Part of Sigurd lynch... unfortunately. Bad YLC.

Votes for Tiberius... odd that you'd vote vor WOGbait, but it's a legitimate pressure tactic... soo..... 594

Inquisitive: 604
Aggressive: 606
Accusatory: 608

Sticks his neck out there a LOT: YLC page 8

Blocked by GH
Bandwagons CA, unfortunately...

Aggressive under fire: 721
believeable excuse: 723

Helpful: 750
Refuses to defend himself; 822

Blatantly acts like YLC and refuses to read GH's post. HAHAHAHA

If YLC is scum, he has freaking SOLD it like nothing I've ever seen before. I choose to reward his inquisition, his boldness, and his characteristic "himselfness" with trust.

Although he has bloody hands, he has been bold and helpful and prosecutorial and the mafia would have good reason to keep him alive as lynch bait.


I will not fall for it. Stellar performance, if mafia. You deserve people having faith in you after all that.

Analysis: 30% mafia.

Best performance I've ever seen. Kudos for the large cajones. You were yourself and you never backed down.


You have your suspects.

[GeneralHankerchief]

he spelled the hosts name wrong in the double-quoted pm....does it mean it is faked?

I have an idea. We'll see if I'm right in less than an hour, assuming Andres is on time.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

GH.. since YOU did not received this pm then YOU can not decide whether it is real or not. You can only speculate.

I think he forwarded this message to ALL the townies so I would like someone else who were townie to confirm this.

Edit: And it is quoted twice only because I couldn't quote the title of that pm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed GH, but I needed investigate EVERYONE's dirty laundry.

You yourself have been badgered enough by everyone in the game, including me. And I found some dirty laundry. Let's see who is barking when the next writeup comes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's not the message I'm interested in, it's the fact that you have Andres and, bizarrely, "The Scourge of Ephesus" misspelled in the title.

"The Scourge of Ephesus" was in the subject line for the PMs, not the title. It boggles my mind how it got in a title.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH.. since YOU did not received this pm then YOU can not decide whether it is real or not. You can only speculate.

I think he forwarded this message to ALL the townies so I would like someone else who were townie to confirm this.

Ibn, in most of these games now, the host provides a mafia with the townie PM so they can do what you just did.

And I am guessing it was revealed earlier somewhere, too, but I am burnt out and I cant be bothered to go look.


Your reveal proves nothing, your votes and actions and reasoning speaks VOLUMES.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It's not the message I'm interested in, it's the fact that you have Andres and, bizarrely, "The Scourge of Ephesus" misspelled in the title.

"The Scourge of Ephesus" was in the subject line for the PMs, not the title. It boggles my mind how it got in a title.

So??

You got pm that was meant personally for you. I got message that was for all townies(at least I think so because it makes no sense to write the same old message to more than 25 people!)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also find it interesting that you're online during this night phase, not contributing positively, and invisible.

Not proof, but definitley odd.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And how do you explain Andres's misspelled name?

It's not like he changed his username to "Andrres", sent out the PM, and then changed it back.

[White_eyes:D]

So??

You got pm that was meant personally for you. I got message that was for all townies(at least I think so because it makes no sense to write the same old message to more than 25 people!)

I must say....you just messed up if you tried to fake it misspelling the hosts name and the title of the game....Andres doesn't make mistakes like that.....your own Fake reveal is your downfall

[Askthepizzaguy]

I only have two suspects, really. There's Beefy, who is supposedly not here, and Ibn-Khaldun, who is nearly 100% mafia and is here, active but unhelpful as usual, and posting BAD defenses. Then there is lord winter, who, due to the clues, should actually be our number two suspect.


Ibn-Khaldun
187Beefyz
Lord Winter


But dont you think someone trying to finger Lord Winter would put such obvious clues in after him?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn, in most of these games now, the host provides a mafia with the townie PM so they can do what you just did.

And I should know this because... ???

In how many mafia games I have been?? This is second one.

In your Simpson mafia game I was a townie. Did I participate there a lot?? Can't remember that I did.
And when was it?? Quite awhile ago!!

And this is my second one and suddenly I should know ALL the things that have been done in the previous mafia games??? Gah!!

If that makes me a bad mafia game player because I don't read ALL those previous game threads then.. I really don't know why I joined this one!
Wait .. now I remember why I joined.. Andres promised cookies!!

Edit: White_eyes:D .. so you did not get that message??? Anyway.. that is the original message that I got.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*notes that IK has once again ignored the "Andrres" question*

[Askthepizzaguy]

And I should know this because... ???

1. In how many mafia games I have been?? This is second one.

2. In your Simpson mafia game I was a townie. Did I participate there a lot?? Can't remember that I did.
And when was it?? Quite awhile ago!!

3. And this is my second one and suddenly I should know ALL the things that have been done in the previous mafia games??? Gah!!

4. If that makes me a bad mafia game player because I don't read ALL those previous game threads then.. I really don't know why I joined this one!
Wait .. now I remember why I joined.. Andres promised cookies!!

1. Why is this a defense?

2. Why is this a defense?

3. Your noobishness is actually why your bad townie/blatant mafia behavior is so easy to read. Veteran players would read more like 75% mafia or lower if they are really good.

4. To have fun?




You lose, Ibn. Please do not vote.

EDIT: actually go ahead and vote. I want to see who you want dead.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

*notes that IK has once again ignored the "Andrres" question*

Should I give you my password so you could check that PM out???

4. To have fun?

Most likely.

You lose, Ibn. Please do not vote.

Since vigilante killed you then you must of been more scummier than me.
Actually, no wonder you were killed if you go after people without any evidence!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nice, you still didn't answer me.

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is hilarious, Ibn. Please continue.


I want to hear your defense.

[White_eyes:D]

Nice, you still didn't answer me.

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

No kidding.....it take 2 months to change your name back....and if you were just qutoeing a role PM sent by the host....then his name should not have been wrong...because then your saying you got a Role-PM from "Andrres" rather then "Andres"

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Nice, you still didn't answer me.

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

Think I just said that before??

Oh yes.. I did here:

And my role pm from Andres:

EDIT: Gah! Wait.. GH .. are you referring to this:

Originally Posted by Andrres

I just made a spelling error here. But that Ehpesus thing was in that pm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're not giving me a very convincing case.

I am about to start hardcore prosecuting you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No no no, instead of your PM looking like this:

You are a mafioso.

BTW, here's the townie PM:

[...]

It looked like this:

You are a mafioso.

BTW, here's the townie PM:

[...]

...with "Andres" in the TITLE misspelled.

Which means you misspelled it yourself when posting it here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Ok. GH, get ready for me to swallow my pride and apologize.

If it's not...

"too late to apologize.... it's too late.... yeah it's too late to apologize.... YEAHHHHH"

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IBN KHALDUN

Votes Caius without a reason, 122. First day vote, thats acceptible.

Quickpost with smiley 125.

Nothing page 3.

Votes tevashszat without a reason. Shady character. 277.

Quickpost, adds nothing really: 279
Gah! Post 301. Things aren't adding up;
"Gah! Just when I thought that I could change my vote! "

Nothing else page 4

Blatant bandwagon on Seireikhaan. That's 3 bad, reasonless votes.
341

Quickpost with smiley 348.

More or less useless promissory post 351
Another Gah! post... sort of an exercise in futility 385.

By page 6 I am smelling scum.

Votes Shlin 476... again, without a case.
Unvotes, votes Jolt instead. Blatant bandwagonner
(479)

Bloody hands: against Jolt, and all votes so far have been bad.

quickposts with smileys 485

quickpost. 487
Unvotes jolt, abstains. Probably to make himself look less scummy, as he was sticking his neck WAYYYY out there.

Votes yoyoma, no reason given, 540

Says he doesnt need to explain himself 553.

I DISAGREE.
Doom and gloom: "if you lynch me you will lynch another townie"

Starts yapping more... 568.
Long analysis, at last.

Chaotix voted Ibn.

Votes yoyoma again 581. No reason.

Defensive. 584. No defense offered. POOR LOGIC.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=584
Read this post carefully.

586, terrible post.

QJC points out how bad he's been. 587.

Defensive, 590.

Lord Winter votes Ibn. 627

Votes CA without a reason. 697. No further analysis given. Lurking again. Only shows up to accuse others and defend himself, doesn't converse with many people.

Deciding vote on CA.

Defense: I followed Tincow's analysis. Blatant bandwagoner.

EXCUSE POST 851.
Abstain after all those suspects you've thrown out there? SCUMBAG

Tincow doesnt seem to be detecting Ibn.

"Yes, please dig. I must say that you wouldn't find anything except that I am a townie!" Post 864.

I strongly disagree.

870:
"So we should lynch Seamus? "

How about we lynch you, Ibn?

Closer examine on Ibn-Khaldun reveals he is the mafia we are looking for.


Looking for further suspects....

1. "Blatant bandwagon on Seireikhaan. That's 3 bad, reasonless votes."

from my opening statement against you. Why have you bandwagoned all game against people who turned out to be innocent? Why are your hands so dirty? Why don't you put some thought into your votes?


I'll ask these one at a time so you can give an honest try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2. "Votes CA without a reason. 697. No further analysis given. Lurking again. Only shows up to accuse others and defend himself, doesn't converse with many people."

You did lurk much of this game, only showing up to add to the lynch tally, voting for any number of people and following bandwagons, all for your own survival.

Do you deny any of this?

Why when you voted and accused people, did you give few, if any, reasons?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll wait for a living townie to confirm the misspelling of "Ephesus".

-edit- although FWIW, it was perfectly spelled in my subject line and the second part, instead of saying "Role PM", said "The Guide".

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Why when you voted and accused people, did you give few, if any, reasons?

Well.. TC and GH gave me reasons.

I'll wait for a living townie to confirm the misspelling of "Ephesus".

And if no one confirms then I know that everyone else are mafia!

[TinCow]

Uh, yeah, that's a fake role PM. I won't even bother with the formating from the QUOTE= lines. Instead, there's an even better way to spot the fake. On the second to last line, Ibn's PM says:

Good luck

The real PM (as posted by Andres here) shows the line as:

Good luck

If you can't tell, Ibn's is missing a space between the words and the smiley. While I am dead and cannot comment on my own role PM, anyone with a townie role PM should be able to verify whether that space is in theirs or not. There is no way for that space to be missed if the role PM was quoted. PMs can be quoted in their entirety, but quotes in threads cannot. Thus, in order to copy a post from a thread, one has to copy and paste it and then add the editing back in. Thus, because of the missing space, Ibn copied and pasted his role PM, he did not get it directly from a quote. Yet, he felt the need to add all the bolding back in and put something in the QUOTE= line. The only reason to do this is to make it look like it was quoted in the first place.

Copy and pasted role PM + intentional effort to make it look like it was quoted = scum

Don't con a conman.

[Askthepizzaguy]

(laughs like a raving maniac...)




Snagged you in my poke' ball.

Ibn-Khaldun, I CHOOSE YOU!!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

And bam. Nice work, everybody.

I think at this point it's safe for me to say now that one of my two blocks this night was IK.

[White_eyes:D]

Yep, his townie PM is 100% taken from the therad.....

Townie

You are one of the tourists.

During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.

When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.

Good luck

Andres.

Can you spot the errors??