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    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
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    There's a world of difference between playing to win and totally humiliating another team. Covenant had a 90-0 lead and was taking 3-pointers late in the game. Playing against handicapped opponents from Dallas Academy. Does that sound like sportsmanship?

    I don't think anybody has a problem with the team winning, and handily at that. But there's a not so fine line between playing to win, and playing to rub somebody's nose in it. It's pretty clear that the Covenant team was doing the latter, and when the coach continues to defend his actions in that regard, even after the excitement has waned, the school has a right to replace him with somebody who better represents their values.

    Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?
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    Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?
    Well we had that special olympics come to Ireland a few years ago , and the moral with it is that everones a winner ...but the bookmakers don't accept that view .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Well we had that special olympics come to Ireland a few years ago , and the moral with it is that everones a winner ...but the bookmakers don't accept that view .
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    Too bad. They shouldn't even be in the same league. What's the coach supposed to do? Tell his team not to shoot the ball? They were actually easy on them on the second half. After the first half they were up over 50 points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Screw 'em. They shouldn't even be in the same league. What's the coach supposed to do? Tell his team not to shoot the ball? They were actually easy on them on the second half. After the first half they were up over 50 points.
    How is taking 3-pointers with 2 minutes left going easy on them? I may have misread the article, but weren't their starters playing at the end of the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    How is taking 3-pointers with 2 minutes left going easy on them? I may have misread the article, but weren't their starters playing at the end of the game?
    Because they're much harder to hit. What I'm really surprised at is that the lefties aren't criticizing the firing because it was the "Christian" thing to do.

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    “It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened,” the school said in its statement. “This clearly does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. The school and its representatives in no way support or condone the running up of a score against any team in any sport for any reason.”
    I thought competitive sports were un-Christian in the first place!


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    Being neither His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI nor the Reverend Rick Warren, I don't know if I'm qualified to speak for Christianity as a whole. But as a Christian who has spent no small amount of time reading the words of Jesus, I believe I can speak to my own views.

    I don't see anything inherently unChristian about competition, in sports or in business. There is a difference however between being competitive and being exploitive. If you view business and sports as inherently exploitive, I suppose I understand your view, but what a limited view of human interaction you appear to have.

    Mercy and compassion are not weaknesses, so long as they are moderated by logic and justice.
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    What a jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    There's a world of difference between playing to win and totally humiliating another team. Covenant had a 90-0 lead and was taking 3-pointers late in the game. Playing against handicapped opponents from Dallas Academy. Does that sound like sportsmanship?
    Who cares about the score of some irrelevant junior match anyway? What's the difference between being beaten and getting trashed?

    The way I see it, this is a win-win. The winning team got some good practice on controlling matches and keeping focus, while the losing team got to know just how bad they are. Add in the fact that the losing team was a bunch of cripples, and they also got to know how it feels to play someone who doesn't treat you special. Win-win-win.


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    Because they're much harder to hit.
    is true, then it's a good thing. When you've put the score beyond doubt, you can start doing the harder, trickier, magical stuff. Well played. Fire those idiots parents, give the coach and players a medal.
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    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Who cares about the score of some irrelevant junior match anyway? What's the difference between being beaten and getting trashed?

    The way I see it, this is a win-win. The winning team got some good practice on controlling matches and keeping focus, while the losing team got to know just how bad they are. Add in the fact that the losing team was a bunch of cripples, and they also got to know how it feels to play someone who doesn't treat you special. Win-win-win.


    Keep parents out of every sport.
    Wow. Following your logic, having geeks at carnival sideshows is a good thing, as it offers the underpriveleged a means to earn an honest living, eh?

    They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?
    Uhm..... What on earth is degrading about getting a good, honest trashing? Who cares about the score?

    I mean, unless the coach and players were pointing and laughing, I see little wrong with it...
    Last edited by HoreTore; 01-27-2009 at 16:50.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    There was absolutedly no need to run up such a score. A big to the players, the league organisers, and especially the coach.

    We need to stop trying to treat disabled people as equal when they are clearly not. Why are a disabled team in the same league as normal schools?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    We need to stop trying to treat disabled people as equal when they are clearly not. Why are a disabled team in the same league as normal schools?
    I'm not sure on the specifics of how the league operates, but it's not like the Dallas Academy sucks at sports in general. According to the second article, the two schools' boys teams played shortly afterwards and Dallas won 50-38. But while their school has about 120 boys, they've got only about 20 girls. The school may be assigned to the division it's in based on its boys teams, without consideration taken that its girls teams belong at a different level. That's probably one of the first things that needs to change.

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    I guess you guy's really don't get barbarianball. There's a shot clock in hoops. When you're up 80 on another team, the normal decent thing to do would be to run the shot clock out each possession which would run the game out. No one's saying they were supposed to coddle the losers.

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    I agree with HoreTore, if they didn't want to get trashed like that, they should have found another team to play against, you can't honestly say you don't want to be treated different because you're disabled (i.e. not play in a league for the disabled only) and then complain that you got trashed by a team of able bodied people, sometimes you have to accept reality (and play with the girls, for example, or get trashed).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I agree with HoreTore, if they didn't want to get trashed like that, they should have found another team to play against, you can't honestly say you don't want to be treated different because you're disabled (i.e. not play in a league for the disabled only) and then complain that you got trashed by a team of able bodied people, sometimes you have to accept reality (and play with the girls, for example, or get trashed).


    Blame the incompetent league organizers, if you want someone to blame. The winning team just did what they wanted, and there's nothing wrong with that. Why should they be forced to waste an hour of their life to cater to the league organizers need to be incompetent? Why shouldn't they do something meaningful instead?

    They made the best of a bad situation - kudos to them for that.

    Sports teams exist to win the senior championships. Youth setups are there to create new players to reach that goal.
    Last edited by HoreTore; 01-27-2009 at 17:10.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    parents or no parents i'm surprised the winners didn't show some leniency. but i guess it is in our primal nature to drive our heels down on those in the dirt. and who among us are more primal than children... besides P.E. coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?
    Where´s the moral of putting a team of handicapped kids up against teams that don´t have the same handicap?

    like someone else already said the fact that they where throwing for 3 pointers in the end of the game shows that they were going out of their way to make it more difficult for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?
    I don´t think playing a half-assed game and "going easy on them" would be any better...it would be worse in fact.
    then they would really be patronizing them..and it could even be discussed...making fun of the weaker team.
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