The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Tratorix]

Its no tactic. But Sasaki was kind enough to pull of the pressure off me. Even though his standing in the chopping line and I'm his greatest rival. I just like the fair contest.

Lynching Sasaki will give town nothing I believe. Lynching me is totally useless except the fun factor you get each time for lynching me. But since both 1 & 2 is not the case, I cannot prove anything sadly.

If I got other options to vote for, I will. But if I am understanding the situation correctly, we are only allowed to vote for myself or Sasaki are we not?

Anyways because currently I cannot detect any scumness from anyone, I cannot point fingers at anyone. If you call that scummy, so be it. I personally call it lack of skill to find mafia. Out of many games I played, I only efficiently managed to catch the mafia once

You can vote for anyone you like. Which is why i'm questioning the logic of your vote.

[Beefy187]

You can vote for anyone you like. Which is why i'm questioning the logic of your vote.

In that case and combined to what GH said.

Unvote, Vote: Abstain

I am 99 percent sure that Sasaki is innocent. I suppose we can find that out by lynching him and I can say I told you so. I will not vote Sasaki for my belief of him being innocent and fact that he changed his vote from me when he is about to get lynched, increasing the chance of him being innocent.

If that doesn't make sense, which I got a feeling it doesn't then its gutted.

EDIT: Im off to do some narrative writing. Ill be back in about hour or two

[White_eyes:D]

unvote:Beefy
Vote:Lord Winter

I've worked hard enough at staying alive (STILL a good play and what I always do as town) that I do believe I'll be lynched soon. Last time voted to save myself more than once I got lynched soon after.

But a good rule of thumb for an early round lynch when there isn't much evidence is to lynch someone who doesn't post much and is gliding by:



LW is near the bottom, out of WoG range, and is displaying the risk averse mafia trait of watching and waiting. Add that to my previous post which he didn't reply to and make your choice

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quickly ;)

I don't think it is Sasaki(always a good Mafia player, townie or not).......or Beefy(Selfless townie).....and after that whole, "lurker victory" in the last game I played....I feel I should follow Sasaki's lead...Vote:Lord Winter

[Lord Winter]

If I've started posting in response, then isn't the goal of the vote taken care of?

[White_eyes:D]

If I've started posting in response, then isn't the goal of the vote taken care of?

Only because I put pressure on you...

[Lord Winter]

Sasski was the one who prompted that before. You have a whole feild of lurkers to chose from so why me?

[White_eyes:D]

Because you were at the near-bottom of the post list=Lurker.....now you spring to life like a dog on puppie chow....

[taka]

Vote: Abstain

just before everyone says im being a scummy lurker or something, i just want to say that i've been fairly busy in RL, and also i find theres too much info atm, so if i survive into the later stages i WILL contribute more

[Beefy187]

I'm back for more questionings if someone has some questions.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm back for more questionings if someone has some questions.

What's your opinion on lord winter? Despite his last post, I wasn't voting just to get him to post, I think he's our best lynch today.

[Beefy187]

Lordwinter often gets him self get lynched or killed early on. He used to be a lurker but seems to be more active in recent games.
He isn't one of the top lurkers in this game, but I cannot say he has contributed much.
Before he was accused, he kept on low profile range, just avoiding the WoG. He then managed to react to his accusation which makes him a true lurker suggesting he is either a mafia, protown.

As he was able to defend him self, I think he'll become useful asset for the towns in terms of contributing but if someone has to be lynched and those who are lagging on 1-3 posts are to be left as WoG bait, then I suppose Lord Winter is the best choice.

Wouldn't go as far as voting for him yet.. I want him to speak up a bit more

@ Ares

I do appreciate for you trusting me and going after Tincow instead but.. That post some how suggest me not being able to do something crafty.. My relative is a ninja damn it!!

[Lord Winter]

Because you were at the near-bottom of the post list=Lurker.....now you spring to life like a dog on puppie chow....

I'm not able to make it the .Org as much as I like on Thursday Fridays and Saturdays. Which is somewhat accountable for my low post count.

[ULC]

Just reading through the thread and, thanks to Sasaki, I noticed a couple things -I'll thank him later if he isn't a mafioso

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Lord Winter

Tincow put forward the idea that either the writer of the kills was either an English speaker or had English as a second language and spoke it poorly - You fit nicely into the first category, and your continued misspelling of Sasaki's name as Ssaki, and the inclusion and exclusion of letters from other words, as well as other grammar mistakes, and the case Sasaki has brought forth against you (which you have either ignored, or tried to evade most of) seals it for me.

[glyphz]

Tally:

Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
Lord Winter: 3 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC)

187Beefyz: 2 - (TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)

TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)

Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka

[Lord Winter]

Just reading through the thread and, thanks to Sasaki, I noticed a couple things -I'll thank him later if he isn't a mafioso

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Lord Winter

Tincow put forward the idea that either the writer of the kills was either an English speaker or had English as a second language and spoke it poorly - You fit nicely into the first category, and your continued misspelling of Sasaki's name as Ssaki, and the inclusion and exclusion of letters from other words, as well as other grammar mistakes, and the case Sasaki has brought forth against you (which you have either ignored, or tried to evade most of) seals it for me.

My poor spelling and what not is due to a lack of a reread. Wouldn't these errors put me outside of the killer's profile as the kills have mostly been thoroughly spell checked and have no major (open to interpretation) grammar errors?

[naut]

I don't really want to vote based on write-up assumptions and silly grammar errors. Plus I'm pressed for time, until tomorrow at least.

Vote: abstain

[ULC]

My poor spelling and what not is due to a lack of a reread. Wouldn't these errors put me outside of the killer's profile as the kills have mostly been thoroughly spell checked and have no major (open to interpretation) grammar errors?

Possibly - however, the mistakes are not likely to be intentional, if they are intentional, then we are dealing with someone trying to frame another - this is less likely, since not only would it take an experienced player to do this (which results in narrowing the list) and it would also require careful planning. It is easier and more understandable for it to be simple errors.

And yes, there were several grammar issues TC pointed out.

[Andres]

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I noticed something interesting in the second write-up, I also find it quite entertaining but more on that later.

Thefirst murder involves two people if you include said damsel. I don't think this is overly important, but it could be something to note if it is a recurring theme.



I have good reason to know that this description was written by a different mafioso from the first. I authored this one,

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with some assistance from GH for Mafia VIII, during which game 'Khaan and I were mafia. It is basically a word for word transcription.

It could be that the cunning mafiosi are trawling through various old games copying other kill descriptions in order to disguise their writing styles. It could be that someone who played in that game is attempting to frame me, although it seems that no-one else picked up on it. Shlin I hereby request that the next mafioso we catch is done for copyright infringement before we rip him apart with horses.

I'd also suggest that the last part of the write-up, the 'next morning' part if you will is authored by GH, rather than the mafiosi.

Vote: Sasaki

Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description.

I find it interesting that you have such a good memory. As far as I'm concerned, I really wouldn't be able to remember my kill write-ups as mafia like you do.

Sasski was the one who prompted that before. You have a whole feild of lurkers to chose from so why me?

This makes you sound pretty desperate. On the other hand, I have the feeling you are being used as Sasaki's scapegoat.

Vote : abstain

[boudica]

grrr. I had to go back 3 pages to find that mafia had drowned me
I hope shlinn lazerz their s off.
But maybe shlinn should be lynched just to make sure ...

[LittleGrizzly]

Im sceptical of the case built against lord winter, it seems to have been built on a case for survival rather than mafia hunting...

[Askthepizzaguy]

PS: This CoP job is really easy isn't it? All I gotta do is say something vaguely connected to the game, then I can waltz back to my Crystal Palace.

I seriously am questioning why you keep capitalizing odd letters. Since one of the killers I believe did this in a writeup, are you trying to intentionally incriminate yourself?

Are you trying to drop clues? I seem to remember there was a hint game that GH planted in one of his mafia games where he would drop odd letters, and they added up to "sans investigateur".

Either you're deliberately leaving clues, Shlin28, or you're trying to incriminate yourself for some odd reason... or you're unintentionally messing me up.

[Andres]

I seriously am questioning why you keep capitalizing odd letters. Since one of the killers I believe did this in a writeup, are you trying to intentionally incriminate yourself?

Are you trying to drop clues? I seem to remember there was a hint game that GH planted in one of his mafia games where he would drop odd letters, and they added up to "sans investigateur".

Either you're deliberately leaving clues, Shlin28, or you're trying to incriminate yourself for some odd reason... or you're unintentionally messing me up.

It's shlin28, not Shlin28

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I find it interesting that you have such a good memory. As far as I'm concerned, I really wouldn't be able to remember my kill write-ups as mafia like you do.

In fairness I've only been mafia once, and that was one of about three descriptions that I actually wrote myself. It was also one of favourites. And yes I did go and check the original before I posted my suspcions in this thread. I was more amused than anything else.

I believe Lord Winter being held up to dry is a little harsh, but also feel that Sasaki has sufficiently justified himself against the accusations that have flown his way.

Unvote: Sasaki

Vote: White Eyes

Gut instinct, and a lack of any better candidates. I feel that you jumped on LW a little quickly given your lack of reasoning. LW had already 'sprung to life' to defend himself, which he is entitled to do, and seems to be doing a reasonable job of. Have a Football game, be back tomorrow afternoon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
Lord Winter: 3 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC)

187Beefyz: 2 - (TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)

TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)

Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka, Rythmic, Andres

Thanks be to GH for extending the round.

I am highly suspicious of Gaius Scribonius Curio.

For one, he's being very analytical, which I generally approve of... but there were at least a couple of posts that jumped out at me, and they don't make sense to me from the standpoint of someone who doesn't know who is guilty and who is innocent, and there is precious little evidence so far.

I have been making a very conscious effort to refrain from doing a serious in-depth analysis until the late game, because earlier analyses give false results more often and have less data to go on. Gaius seems to be trying to mislead us, or lead us, in a certain direction.

This is also evident in the fact that he's voting for one of the top two candidates. I don't trust him.

Consequently, I am suggesting that Gaius be considered a suspect. I'll put together a case against him detailing what I find wrong with him.

I don't see a case against Sasaki, but as a rule, I do not wish to defend him, as he is a suspect as well. Lord Winter, on the other hand, seems very lurkish. Let me recheck, just got here.

I am debating whether to vote for Lord Winter.

Vote: Abstain for the immediate moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're online at the moment, Gaius.

Would you be so kind as to sit tight and answer some questions for me? You're my top suspect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because people whine when I post long analysis/accusations:

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=262


Post 262-
You restate things we already know, and quote long sections of the writeup.
You point out the obvious, esp the spelling/grammar errors. You're quite wishy-washy as to whether we should read much into this or not.

You speculate on the second death in such a way that it almost sounds like you have a planned argument to make, to make it sound like you're a contributing townie.

"As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue."
After all that analysis, you have nothing, and you vote for someone with no reasoning behind it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=334

Post 334-

You excuse yourself.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=370

Post 370-

Now it gets interesting. You are once again analyzing the writeup, and make a very interesting "discovery" that someone had basically ripped off a previous kill of yours from a previous game, if that is your allegation.

"Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description."

Once again, long analysis followed by a vote with no real reasoning behind it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=443


Voting by gut instinct and very minimal reasoning.

Bottom line: Gaius scribonius curio, I find your playing style in this game to be an act without substance. Please explain yourself. Why all these hollow analyses that lead nowhere, and votes for no good reasoning? Why were you in the lead against Sasaki?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

You're online at the moment, Gaius.

Would you be so kind as to sit tight and answer some questions for me? You're my top suspect.

Look I sorry but I really have to go, as I said before you posted. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions tomorrow afternoon my time. Outline your case, including the questions you want answers too and I shall attend to them. One by One if needs be.

I know this is inconvenient but one week out from finals my team needs me....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look I sorry but I really have to go, as I said before you posted. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions tomorrow afternoon my time. Outline your case, including the questions you want answers too and I shall attend to them. One by One if needs be.

I know this is inconvenient but one week out from finals my team needs me....

Right.

I suppose I have to accept that explanation, although you must know I will not be online tomorrow to question you.

I have a worthless case against you, I know, but even this hasty departure from you does not sit right with me, big fella.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Because people whine when I post long analysis/accusations:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=262


Post 262-
You restate things we already know, and quote long sections of the writeup.
You point out the obvious, esp the spelling/grammar errors. You're quite wishy-washy as to whether we should read much into this or not.

You speculate on the second death in such a way that it almost sounds like you have a planned argument to make, to make it sound like you're a contributing townie.

"As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue."
After all that analysis, you have nothing, and you vote for someone with no reasoning behind it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=334

Post 334-

You excuse yourself.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=370

Post 370-

Now it gets interesting. You are once again analyzing the writeup, and make a very interesting "discovery" that someone had basically ripped off a previous kill of yours from a previous game, if that is your allegation.

"Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description."

Once again, long analysis followed by a vote with no real reasoning behind it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=443


Voting by gut instinct and very minimal reasoning.

Bottom line: Gaius scribonius curio, I find your playing style in this game to be an act without substance. Please explain yourself. Why all these hollow analyses that lead nowhere, and votes for no good reasoning? Why were you in the lead against Sasaki?

Gah!

Well you did as I asked. Look will be back tomorrow but for now...

Anyone who has played with me before knows that this particular 'playing style' is one that I always use. I like to speculate. The fact that my analyses lead 'nowhere' is down to the fact that it is speculation at this early stage. Would you prefer I said nothing? I'm sharing my speculations because I might trigger someone elses feelings/ thoughts in a similar vein, or I may not? I'm merely trying to help. And yes someone ripped off my kill description. I'm not happy about that. And define in the lead against Sasaki? I don't follow.

Now I'm really sorry but I have to go...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your team here needs you as well. I don't suppose you would mind if we lynched you next round to make sure?

I know people have real lives, but real life excuses, fabricated or real, are often mafia dodges. If real life is that much of a drain on your time, then it follows that since this is just a silly online game, you wouldn't mind it too terribly much if we lynched you sooner rather than later?


edit;
And I know I haven't been here either at the right times, but I was here for 10 straight hours or more to be questioned. You seem like you're hiding.