O frabjous day! Calloo callay!

[Banquo's Ghost]

The 12th of February 1809 saw the birth of two of the most influential men of any century.

Charles Darwin revolutionised everything we understand about biology and articulated perhaps the most important thought ever to occur - the idea of the evolution of species through natural selection. His books on the subject are paragons of observational science and critical self-examination.

Across the Atlantic, Abraham Lincoln also came into the world, destined to preserve the most important experiment in human liberties. The extraordinary courage and principle he brought to politics has rarely, if ever, been matched.

What a day, 200 years ago. What an extraordinary day.

[Vladimir]

That's amazing! I was unaware that these two shared a birthday.

At least it seems like you're in a better mood now.

[InsaneApache]

Where did Frags post go? Must have been the fastest hi-jack of a thread in the interwebs history.

[drone]

Charles Darwin revolutionised everything we understand about biology and articulated perhaps the most important thought ever to occur - the idea of the evolution of species through natural selection. His books on the subject are paragons of observational science and critical self-examination.

Awaiting post by Navaros in 3...2...1...

Not a bad day in history.

[Hooahguy]

they also share a birthday with me.....
=P
i feel so honored!

[rasoforos]

This is all good but you should remember that Darwin's birth date is merely a theory and not a fact

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Across the Atlantic, Abraham Lincoln also came into the world, destined to preserve the most important experiment in human liberties.

Whether those jerks in the south wanted it or not!

[Xiahou]

Why does the topic title remind me of Vogon Poetry?

Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee
That mordiously hath bitled out
Its earted jurtles
Into a rancid festering [drowned out by moaning and screaming]
Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles
Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts
And living glupules frart and slipulate
Like jowling meated liverslime
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
With crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon
See if I don't.

[CrossLOPER]

Came for the title, stayed for the content.

[PBI]

A great day indeed.

And a great thread also, for having references to both the Hitchiker's Guide and the Jabberwocky on the opening page.

[Strike For The South]

Whether those jerks in the south wanted it or not!

Slave owners and inbreeds.

[CrossLOPER]

Slave owners and inbreeds.

...and those who followed.

[Xiahou]

A great day indeed.

And a great thread also, for having references to both the Hitchiker's Guide and the Jabberwocky on the opening page.

Ah, that's why!

[Strike For The South]

...and those who followed.

Ok. I deserved that one

[LittleGrizzly]

They were discussing this on radio 4 this morning... they pretty much came to the conclusion that what both did was probably inevitable anyway... even if that is true.... they are two top guys who changed the world (at the very least more quickly...)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I just find it ironic that we killed a bunch of people who wanted leave a country to "preserve" liberty...



/mind you, my regionalism means I'm not rooting for the South...

[Strike For The South]

I just find it ironic that we killed a bunch of people who wanted leave a country to "preserve" liberty...



/mind you, my regionalism means I'm not rooting for the South...

The civil war is very misunderstood by traditionalists and there southern brethren who like to whitewash the peculiar institution.

The bloodiest war in American history is the most misconstrued.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Certainly, and that goes for both sides. Really, both sides should've lost.

[Strike For The South]

Certainly, and that goes for both sides. Really, both sides should've lost.

Well if you had to pick a side it would be the north. Imagine a shattered union leading to British or German or Russian Hegonmoney. I shake at the thought.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Those things happened anyway. No foreign power was going to actually take land in the US.

[Strike For The South]

Those things happened anyway. No foreign power was going to actually take land in the US.

I mean as a superpower. The north and the south need eachother (and still do)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

It's only earned us ruin. Heck, an alternative might not have even lead to WW2.

[LittleGrizzly]

The best thing i can say for the South is state's rights, If the states were more independent then maybe US presidents wouldn't have been able to get away with so much bad stuff... on the flipside you probably could have done as much good stuff either...

I have thought about it a few times... would we be better of if the south won...?

[Strike For The South]

It's only earned us ruin. Heck, an alternative might not have even lead to WW2.

If by ruin you mean TEH BEST COUNTRY EVA. Then yes.

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I have thought about it a few times... would we be better of if the south won...?

No. Eventually the slavery and feudal like system of the antebellum south would've ended with more blood than before. Blacks were used as boogeyman to keep poor whites (90% of the pop) in there place.

You hear stories of integrated schools and how people were downright scared of the blacks. It comes from all the years of some one telling you these subhumans will destroy all that is good in the world and should be kept under bondage (did we mention make the rich richer? that to!)

Also Texas would've probably broken off and fought another pointless war with Mexico. Our TRUE enemy lol.

[LittleGrizzly]

based purely off assumptions and logic i assumed that system would have been dropped as it was in the north, when the south become more industrialised..

[Strike For The South]

based purely off assumptions and logic i assumed that system would have been dropped as it was in the north, when the south become more industrialised..

It was more than the money. It permeated the whole social fabric. Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

[LittleGrizzly]

Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

One of my assumptions was that the South would industrialise after being seperated from the industrial north

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

Doesn't this kind of back up my point, they managed to 'grow out of it'

Wasn't the socail fabric of the north somewhat similar not too long before the war started..?

Im not so much arguing to prove you wrong here, i don't doubt you now more on the subject then me... consider this a cross examination of your beliefs on the matter to further my knowledge!

[Strike For The South]

Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

One of my assumptions was that the South would industrialise after being seperated from the industrial north

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

Doesn't this kind of back up my point, they managed to 'grow out of it'

Wasn't the socail fabric of the north somewhat similar not too long before the war started..?

Im not so much arguing to prove you wrong here, i don't doubt you now more on the subject then me... consider this a cross examination of your beliefs on the matter to further my knowledge!

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

The Irish had the awesome trait of being light skinned and light eyed. Once you lose the accent and have the traditions beat out of you people tend to notice you less. You cant get rid of black skin. There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

[LittleGrizzly]

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

For the south to be a workable entity it needed to industrialise assuming the states could organise themselves well enough industry could have been established... im assuming there were some capable leaders in the south... states right could have been a barrier to success...

There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

Wouldn't mexicans or north north americans become the new boogeymen... overtime at least...

I think the one big thing that would sway me here is every other single european owned, european descended or in europe got rid of slavery through thier own accord eventually...this leads me to think the south would come around to this idea soon enough...

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Happy BD Chuck!
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