#Hillary4prism
BD:TW
Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
My track record, in case anyone cares.
So, thats 12 or more mafia (or hostile-to-me targets) destroyed/detected out of 12 games I've been in, and hints at who the real scum are in at least one game when I was scum. My analysis is worthless. Thank you.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Edit: GH tells me he won't end the round even if I get 7 votes, because he's supposed to be impartial. I understand, and withdraw my offer. Doesn't matter anyway.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 02-14-2009 at 08:10. Reason: added part about GH
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#Montytoostronger
All I'm going to add to my last post is that Tevash's defense seems fairly solid to me. Based on that, and the fact that my attitude hasn't really changed since yesterday...
Vote: Abstain
Nihil nobis metuendum est, praeter metum ipsum. - Caesar
We have not to fear anything, except fear itself.
Ibant obscuri sola sub nocte per umbram
perque domos Ditis vacuas et inania regna:
quale per incertam lunam sub luce maligna
est iter in silvis, ubi caelum condidit umbra
Iuppiter, et rebus nox abstulit atra colorem. - Vergil
just to clarify, sasaki told me i forgot to unvote
so unvote, vote: abstain
sorry for any confusion
I can't believe your guys are putting faith in a system that has been frankly, ripped to shreds in almost every way.
You say Atpg is probably not Mafia?
Fine. I say that doesn't make him innocent at all and he is being an awful townie.
Atpg doesn't even bother addressing me calling out his inconsistencies and my charge of him construing every one of my posts and actions in an ad hoc manner and then using buzzwords such as "logic" when he either misunderstands the term or uses it so loosely to refer to a way of reasoning (not to mention that the contradictions in his post make it look worse) and now his favorite word "scummy" because he has no substance to refute my points.
TevashSzat is probably an innocent man, I already owe him for my work in Scourge of Ephesus, and everything he has done so far makes him look even more innocent. I will defend him like I defend Beefy.
Atpg got himself into this situation, but he unfortunately dragged Tevash into it too. Please redress this wrong and lynch the one detrimental to our cause. Lynch Atpg.
Your "track record" is horribly misguided. For one, you claim "victories" when you really didn't do anything. Case in point with QJC in Fillet Royale. Do you realize how tenuous your claim of "grilling QJC" was? It did nothing to add to my suspicion of him to be quite honest. I already knew that the Mafia must be either QJC or YLC beforehand, and had decided that QJC was the better choice beforehand as well.
Add to that you "confirming" I was innocent.Sorry Atpg, but nearly everyone at that point realized I was The Watcher, as the gradual letters were designed to do that. You take far too much credit here.
In Family Guy you say you nailed Rythmic and then second guessed yourself and voted otherwise, but claim Rythmic as a "victory" anyway?Come on Atpg, anyone can say at the end "I had suspicions of such and such" it's so weak.
In Whispers of the Night, the town didn't follow your lead to lynch glyphz much at all. The reason that glyphz and shlin were on the cutting block is because everyone else had revealed. And then shlin revealed. So it went down to glyphz. Recall that glyphz got very little voting support when you made your case against him, and only after shlin was eliminated as a suspect.
The Prometheus case is just sad if true? You actually intended to put clues and did put clues against your own partner?!?Remind me of that fact when I get the chance to pick partners...
I'm sorry, but I will say it's a bit self centered to associate such importance of your system in those games. Your track record is no better or no worse than random guessing, which is what I would expect from any method of analysis. Add to this that your method is essentially using Mafia cliches like lurking, 3rd on the bandwagon, and the good old misguided behavior changes to draw conclusions. It's epistemic value is not high.
I'm sorry if my criticisms of your system seem harsh Atpg (recall that I encouraged you to play in your way and still do), but you must be ready to accept it, especially when your system criticizes others wrongly and promotes itself as the best method. Don't act like the victim Atpg, you have brought this on yourself.
If you weren't afraid to die, unvote Tevash. In fact, vote yourself right now. You say you are more than willing to do it later anyway, so why not now?I've been discussed to death, and it's OVER. I'm done! I had fun, but now we are beating a dead horse. Either lynch Tevash, or lynch me. I'm beyond caring at this point. I will come back later and continue doing my work for town if I die, and I'll shut up if I am a dead mafia, so you will know. No apologies necessary, let's turn the game forward. Tevash is afraid to die, I'm not.![]()
Last edited by Reenk Roink; 02-14-2009 at 14:04.
I got an idea... why don't we lynch ATPG this round, then lynch Tevash next round? Its not like delaying a lynch is gonna make the town lose... this is just like the plan ATPG proposed, but the other way round. (ATPG is trying to force my side (Sasaki, Tevash etc) to compromise, but why don't you compromise first?
As for my "worthless" analysises (according to ATPG...), I've never been good at those things, I just get along trying to be as least suspcious as possible in the thread, not doing much. Only when I get a role do I get relatively active and gets paranoid -(See my constant reassurances to the town that I will be back in X hours in Whispers in the Night). I just play mafia for the heck of it and for fun
and a Rebuttal to his evil Wallz of Textz:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I've read about 100 posts (yes, I wasn't online yesterday evening) on frickin' Valentine's Day (in the meanwhile letting my lovely wife wait for me) because the host was concerned about things getting too heated.
It was not a fun read. In fact, I'm considering to commit suicide in this game (apologies to GH, this has nothing to do with the quality of the host, you know I hold you in very high regard, good sir) based on what I've seen.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
There is a reason why there will never be a 'ranking system' as long as I have something to say about Gameroom policy. Competition brings out the worst in people. The Gameroom is NOT a place where we compete and I find it bad taste to sum up ones' merits like that.
We are here to have fun, not to compare penis length.
I will now log out (yes, that's what I do when I get angry, to avoid typing things I shouldn't type, maybe it's a tactic some of you should consider as well) and will think before I decide whether or not to suicide from this game.
Thank you for paying attention to your boring moderator.
EDIT: a while ago, Sigurd spent a whole lot of time making this thread. I suggest you honor his efforts by reading it, especially numbers 2, 3 and 6 under the section "General Rules and Advice". Thanks in advance.
Last edited by Andres; 02-14-2009 at 14:27.
Andres is our Lord and Master and could strike us down with thunderbolts or beer cans at any time. ~Askthepizzaguy
Ja mata, TosaInu
Understand Andres
Please don't leave this game! It won't be the same without you! As the local CoP, I can make it worth your while to stay! Pretty please?
I AM SORRY I messed up.....but I well be more sportsman-like....rather then...
....(I feel like I did something really wrong so I am saying I'm sorry...
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Sorry Andres, I was totally out of line. It won't happen again.![]()
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
I have no qualms about removing BOTH Tev and Pizza. Seems practical enough. Of the two, I find Pizza's case more choppy -- Sasaki makes good points. Moreover, Pizza's offer to put his head on a chopping block is not indicative of innocence. As he and Reenk taught us in Prometheus, such a "gambit" is part of the repetoire.
Vote: Pizza
Others in serious need of swimming with our Laserine Sharks include:
Psyhco, Iggy, and Taka. WAY too much lurk and vote lurk and vote from that trio. They need to be weeded out even if NOT mafia, just because a lack of commentary and discussion always plays into the mafia's hands.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Okay, I can't believe this has gone this far already, but as per the rules of GH, the Detective cannot reveal privately to anyone.
Thats right, guys, I am the Detective. That is partially the reason why I actually made a long rebuttal to ATPG's analysis of me. I wanted to head off any votes on me so I won't actually have to do a reveal, but here we are.
If people don't trust me, fine, and go lynch me, but know that you will be killing your only detective and drastically reducing your chances of winning the game.
This is what I have gotten from my investigations:
Night 1: I investigated shlin, of course. If the mafia had somehow gotten the CoP, they would have a tremendous advantage.
Result: Innocent. That means that shlin is definately not a Grunt, but he may still be the Godfather.
Night 2: I investigated Sasaki this time. The Day lynching was somewhat of a choice between the lesser of two evils ie Seamus and Ichigo and I had no one jump out as being really scummy. Thus, I chose an old veteran that would definately be contributing to the town
Result: Innocent.
Night 3: Alas, did not manage to get in my results in time. I don't know what I was thinking, but I didn't send it in early.
By the time I got back from school the next day, I had missed the night deadline by like an hour or so.....
Night 4: Investigated YLC due to the whole thing with him there
Results: Innocent. Meh, I still didn't know from then since he screamed scummy to me, but with ATPG's whole YLC thing I guess that explains it
As for people who ask me why I didn't reveal earlier: When I had last saw the thread, ATPG was ahead of me in votes and I didn't think I was in that much of risk of getting lynched.
Unfortunately, we tied. I still didn't reveal because I have had no results so far and it would be a shame to reveal so early.
But now, here we are and I hope you guys like what you've forced me to do.
BTW, I love how ATPG thinks taka is scummy for lurking when Ignoramus, who is on his "trusted people list" is lurking even more. Rythmic has basically done the same
"I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." - Issac Newton
Dear Seamus, I hope you can get back into the thread before this round ends. It would be a terrible pity if you were to have lodged a vote against Pizzaguy just before this new information becomes available and not be able to get back and evaluate this reveal now.
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
Tevash, please post your complete role PM.
I said I would keep this game tied, and I will do everything in my power to keep it that way. We do not have to lynch either of them.
Vote: TevashSzat
Tally:
Tevash: 6 (Chaotix27, Ignoramus, Taka, Psychonaut, ATPG, YLC)
ATPG: 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, TevashSzat, White_eyes, Reenk Roink, Beefy, Seamus)
Abstaining: Ares, Gaius (possibly others, I didn't check previous pages)
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer: The Gameroom
How would you know they would both survive? As far as I recall GH has said nothing cocerning what happens after the tie vote.
In light of Tevash's reveal, I suggest we lynch ATPG and then see if Tevash gets killed. If we let them get into the murky terriotaries of what happens when they are still tied after this extended round of voting... maybe BOTH may be lynched. Who knows?
Edit: Didn't Khaan kinda claimed detective already? :S
Last edited by shlin28; 02-14-2009 at 18:17.
Chaotix27, did you see Tevashzats' role reveal?
Vote : Askthepizzaguy
1) I don't want to lynch a possible detective;
2) ATPG still looks scummy to me;
3) Tevashzat never struck me as guilty. The somewhat aggressive tone he used to defend himself is not out of the ordinary. In fact, I've seen him posting like that before when under pressure as a townie.
Andres is our Lord and Master and could strike us down with thunderbolts or beer cans at any time. ~Askthepizzaguy
Ja mata, TosaInu
For the record, if the game stays tied after the deadline passes, then the round stays extended until the tie gets broken.
Since I won't have enough time to write anything before I leave, the round will conclude in a few hours.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
I believe Tevash (sorry on behalf of the town it came to this).
Please please please try to investigate Seamus as soon as night comes. I don't know if GH is still doing the realism thing but if your order goes in before the Mafia you will get your result sooner. I think Seamus is a bad guy, let's see if he's a grunt or not.![]()
Now khaan. Revealing after death is usually prohibited in GH games, but you've been hinting at being detective for ages despite that. Surely, given what your implying here, you're at liberty to explain exactly what you claim you were hinting at in your posts before you were killed. Your behavior has been somewhat fishy.
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Standard procedure for detective claims is to leave them alive until a later point in the game and then lynch them. We can probably give tevash 5 rounds--killing the other grunt is not key really, finding him would be more useful in terms of finding the connection between the grunt and the godfather.
Nothing about tevash's claim screams innocence or guilt to me.
Last edited by glyphz; 02-14-2009 at 20:01.
Very well. You have basically decided to lynch me, but I will still help out.
Oh, I have something regarding shlin based on Seireikhaan's cryptic clues.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=351
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Eventually, Chief of Police shlin28 got wind of all these murders and grinned. The mafia hadn't been eliminated yet. That meant he got to supply another cool execution. After making a few phone calls to local farms, he gathered everybody in the town square, passing the nude unicyclist juggler and the guy with the boombox in the park. Stopping at this second guy, he asked a question.
"You," he said, "you're always at the park. Did you see anything strange?" "No, man," the guy replied. "I was too busy chilling out to Perry Mason by Ozzy Osbourne."
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Seireikhaan voted Shlin for invoking the execution method of EVIL. Seireikhaan was killed the very next night, and thusly could no longer reveal his role, which I deduce was an investigator role.
Shlin I strongly suspect is a bad guy, but not the Godfather.
Oh, and GeneralHankerchief is the nude unicyclist dropping us hints, so far as I can tell. Unless someone here wants to claim the nude unicyclist. Or the Boombox guy. I haven't quite solved that part.
The hint, by the way, was obvious... a mason died that night. I think that is what it means.
----Or at least, I believe the first part is what Seireikhaan was implying. I think there's too much of a coincidence, and Seireikhaan is totally innocent, and I doubt he would try so hard to hint at something we'd need to figure out on our own if he wasn't absolutely sure about it.
Assuming GeneralHankerchief allowed such posts, he hasn't stepped over the hinting line, and I had been suspecting Shlin for some time now, and my suspects voted him, and as soon as the thing with Tevash and Reenk was over, Shlin was next on my chopping block, for being totally irrelevant and unhelpful in his role as police chief.
Good night, Shlin. I believe you're a henchman, not the Godfather, and so therefore if the game continues, Reenk should be next, then you. No hard feelings, but perhaps, just maybe, you shouldn't have gotten your mafia buddy to vote for you. It's a bit of a telling clue, and you should really have put on a better act instead of being a non-serious jokester with no clues and no reasons and no real suspects.
If you all don't want Reenk to die next, you can choose between me and Shlin28. I for one don't care, but I suspect Reenk of being the scumbag, followed closely by Sasaki Kojiro for his absolutely stubborn refusal to listen to me and his consistent backing of my opponents.
Seireikhaan, I totally understand your immense frustration now. From this perspective, you must have been grinding your teeth and shaking your head at our collective idiocy for quite a while. I sincerely apologize for not taking a closer look sooner.
If I am dead wrong about this, so be it, but I see no other solution which explains all of your behavior.
It saddens me you won't give me a benefit of the doubt for just one day. I am sorely disappointed in you.
And yeah, I spent my valentines' day solving Seireikhaan's clues. Thanks.
EDIT:
TevashSzat's role reveal is completely bogus.
EDIT: Andres, I am sorry if I crossed a line. When confronted with numerous "my analysis is worthless" accusations I did my best to prove otherwise. And I don't flaunt my record, because I've made big errors before.
I'm scheduled to die very shortly. Would anyone care to discuss anything with me?
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 02-14-2009 at 20:35.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
How?....unless you know something we don't....I don't think Khaan is the detective...Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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I doubt much of town has time to consider/analyze the new evidence presented by both sides.
Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote: TevashSzat to temporarily keep things tied. Although individuals can simply overturn this tie. (currently, tied at 7 a piece) And yes, thiss phase has lasted a bit too long too.
@ GeneralHankerchief: HOw many hours are left before this phase ends?
Last edited by glyphz; 02-14-2009 at 20:43.
Yes, ask me anything you like and give me more time to present my case. You have nothing to lose in hearing me out.
Ask yourselves this:
Imagine if Seireikhaan is the investigator, and decided to check Shlin28. Lo and behold, it came back scum. Then, he mentioned it in the thread, in a subtle way, and voted Shlin. He wanted to survive as the detective so he didn't reveal.
Then, later, Tevash, under pressure, under threat of death, REVEALS he is the investigator, and clears Shlin28, his mafia buddy.
How convenient.
Will you do me the honor of trusting me, for JUST ONE ROUND.
Talk to me. Ask me to restate simply my case against anyone here.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=218
Seireikhaan's final vote.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 02-14-2009 at 20:48.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Note: I CAN ONLY BE A GODFATHER OR TOWNIE! If I was a grunt and tried to be the CoP, I would be found out and lynched so fast before I can think of a decent lynch method.
Why would, if I was a grunt, I take such a risk and try to become CoP?
It won't be that easy, to put more weight on such (Imagine), compared to someone claiming to be the detective. It might be easier to prove TS' innocence, by lynching you and see if TS gets targeted by next night (at which town has nothing to prevent it, I believe).
Last edited by glyphz; 02-14-2009 at 20:53.
Nailed you, Shlin. You gambled, took a risk. You lost. Stop squirming.
You haven't done anything to help us all game, you lying mafioso.
You were nailed by Seireikhaan right away and have been covering your tracks ever since. Nice of you to drop by at this critical time to give your scummy defense.
Exposed, your position is. Death will come to you, as it comes to us all.
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