The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Er... how is Seamus the detective? How would you know that?

I get the first part about RR's accusation of Seamus, I totally agree with you on that one (NOTE: I am not in communications with anybody on my "side" as it were, so I have no idea why he accused Seamus). But then you went on to say Seamus is a detective? isn't revealing it in the thread... if it was true, a teeny tiny dangerous?

I DONT KNOW THAT! I DONT KNOW ANYTHING!!! All I can be sure of is my own innocence, and my lack of a role. I also have deduction on my side. Seamus is partly responsible for my death. I am totally responsible for my death. I am responsible for Lord Winter's death, and we've had one murder every night since then. No mafioso would vote for his partner when he could KILL THE INVESTIGATOR!!!!


Reenk made a terrible mistake, and I deduced based on his horrible, absolutely horrendous townie logic, that he doesn't actually think either of us are guilty. I know that his defense was atrocious, as was TevashSzat's. I know all the mafia supported Tevash, because they EASILY could have killed me at any time via vote if there were more of them hiding in the wings! WHAT ARE THE OTHER POSSIBLE CONCLUSIONS??? Answer me that, and we can have a civilized discussion again. Prove me wrong, and I'll shut up for a good long time.

Let's say Seamus WAS my mafia partner. The jig is up! He's totally going to die! I could have kept my mouth shut! Now, Shlin, what do you have to say?

[shlin28]

Its kinda a valid strategy to NOT vote for the investigator in the day, but vote for the other guy, and then kill the detective in the night. That way = less suspicions.

Anyway, at that stage at the game I believe Tevash was winning the vote, so you could had your mafia partner to vote you as you were quite safely behind Tevash.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Its kinda a valid strategy to NOT vote for the investigator in the day, but vote for the other guy, and then kill the detective in the night. That way = less suspicions.

Anyway, at that stage at the game I believe Tevash was winning the vote, so you could had your mafia partner to vote you as you were quite safely behind Tevash.

The VOTE WAS TIED!


*Hits shlin over the head with Occam's Razor, thus slicing it off completely.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You aren't listening to me. So what if Tevash or I were temporarily in the lead at any point? If I am the mafia, my partner voted for me, and I killed a fellow mafioso. Why do you keep insisting on concluding everything besides the most obvious answer?

Why do you conclude that if you flip a coin, it will fly off into space or turn into a brain-eating marshmallow, instead of landing heads or tails?

It didn't land on tails. What is the other most likely answer?

Cue the jeopardy music.

If you don't reach the correct conclusion soon, your alignment will be revealed.

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Edit: While I am being talkative, here's an update on the post count:

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Gray = Dead

Askthepizzaguy 148
Sasaki Kojiro 80
GeneralHankerchief 64
Beefy187 61
TinCow 51
777Ares777 47
Andres 47
shlin28 44
seireikhaan 41
YLC 37
White_eyes:D 34
LittleGrizzly 32
Reenk Roink 30 - Clearly wants townies dead.
Seamus Fermanagh 29 - Who Reenk wants dead, who voted for me.
Psychonaut 24
Quintus.JC 24
TevashSzat 18 - Suspect Detective reveal.
Gaius Scribonius Curio 17
Lord Winter 17
Chaotix27 16
glyphz 16
CountArach 15
Sigurd 14
boudica 13
Jolt 13
Tratorix 9
taka 8
Ichigo 8
Ignoramus 4

[shlin28]

Sorry, was having breakfast.

You were probably NOT guilty, but it was either you (Either guilty, or a townie) or Tevash (Either guilty, detective or a townie)

Now, who would you lynch? You of course. You were simply the guiltier of the two, plus Tevash may genuinely have a chance of actually being detective...

Also, as I said before, just because Seamus voted for you over a supposed detective is not a proof of not being mafia, as a mafia would will kill the detective in the night, not during the day.

PS: Did anyone actually read my post about my crazy answer to SK's clues?

Edit: Spellings

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, to be sure I understand you:

It's heads, I was mafia, tails, I was mafia.

[shlin28]

You don't understand... we HAVE to lynch either you or Tevash. So we went with the slightly better option of lynching you (even if you are innocent) than getting rid of potentially one of our most powerful power rules.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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And the scummy detective reveal, which cleared Shlin28, Sasaki Kojiro, and YLC (even though he didn't stand up for YLC at all) didn't strike you as odd?

I love how he missed a day, too. Suuuuuure, he just forgot to send it in.

I predicted he'd reveal as detective. And he's no detective.

Those who supported me are innocent, but by all means TevashSzat, investigate them. If you were actually innocent, maybe you would investigate the people who supported you... oh wait, you already did and proved them innocent, how convenient. How serendipitous. How extraordinarily coincidental. How delightfully cosmic. How amusing. The stars must have aligned ever so delightfully for you to have "just happened" to investigate the very people I'm accusing. You must be psychic. You must be able to see into the future. You must have incredible telepathic powers which greatly overpower mine.

You must be desperate beyond imagination.

There will be egg on my face if I am wrong, but the evidence is so extraordinary that you're a scumbag, I won't believe you're innocent until the game is over and there was a townie victory.

[shlin28]

Any detective worth his salt would investigate the people anyway:

shlin28 - CoPs must be investigated
Sasaki - Too good at this game...must be investigated
YLC - well.. er... he's pretty good I guess, plus in the thread he was behaving really weirdly (even before his whole vote himself thing)

So yeah, those three investigations were quite valid (if they were true), people don't have to be psychic to choose to investigate those three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now this is a bit strange......Before YLC's self vote, Sigurd had 3 votes on him while YLC only had 1 which was from Sigurd.

A productive and useful townie would actually make a case towards a defence. Trying to state that you're getting really busy so just lynch me is a bad idea since the town would be wasting a lynch and you could just go get WOGed later on if your activity stays truly low....

Also, just because you were lynched doesn't mean that you're innocent. Don't try to say the mafiosos won't do so because that just leads to WIFOM.

Anyways, I will Vote:YLC for now.

Edit: updating tally

Tally:

Sigurd: 3 (Sasaki, Andres, Seamus)
YLC: 3 (Tevash, Sigurd, YLC)

Glyphz: 1 (Chaotix)
Taka: 1 (Beefy)

_______Ready?________

Day 4 tally:

Sigurd: 6 (Andres, Sasaki Kojiro, Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz, taka, Reenk Roink)
YLC: 5 (Quintus.JC, Chaotix27, TevashSzat, YLC, Ignoramus)
Jolt: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
taka: 1 (Psychonaut)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Sigurd)
Psychonaut: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Jolt)
Ignoramus: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, 187Beefyz, White_eyes:D)
Didn't vote: 1 (777Ares777)

So, Tevash voted for someone he cleared via investigation, over Sigurd, someone he had not? Or how about anyone else in the game?

That makes a whole bucket of sense.

[shlin28]

Tevash investigated YLC on night 4, so his vote on Day 3 means nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Uh huh. That was after his convenient "absence".

Let's see if his activity matches his story. Uno momento!

02-12-2009, 15:30 TevashSzat shows up, was silent all night, which ended at 13:39 that day. Missed it by that much. So, he shows up right at the beginning of the following day.

[shlin28]

Night 3 lasted from the 9th to the 10th, during this time he made two posts relatively early in the night phase. This does not prove or disprove his claims.

[Beefy187]

Fact that no one counter claimed it shows that either the real detective is already dead or Tevash is for real.

Since there is no one counter claiming, only option we got is give Tevash a day or two before he gets up on the chopping board again.

[ULC]

Believe, not believe? Does it even matter? I am truly apathetic to the town's situation as of right now, and as far as I care, every last one of you can take a long walk on a short pier. Right now, I am getting really sick of mafia games, the main reason is being called a liar - I am one of those people who take it very personally when they are called a liar, and the last few days have done nothing to improve my ability to handle that.

I refuse to read through this thread, which is filled with slander, anger, downright depressing amounts of antagonism. I refuse to help the town anymore in anyway shape or form. I refuse to vote one way or the on any matter, and I honestly hope the mafia win at this point, it would serve every last one of you right.

In short, I ask that I suicide before I continue on and say something that will not only ban me from the gameroom, but the Org as a whole, if I have not already.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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02-11-2009, 14:00

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Voting closed.

I'll start taking PMs now.

GeneralHankerchief ends the round 2-11-2009 at 1400 hours.




02-11-2009, 14:48
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...76#post2134376

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Well....I'm always quiet in mafia games.

I don't post unless I have something relatively meaningful to contribute or I don't want to get WOGed. I usually don't have that great of an insight so most games I'm not that active....

IIRC, it said in the rules that you can only interact with people in the same location you're at.

TevashSzat is online at 14:48. And playing mafia games. And he forgot to send in his "investigation" that night and didn't participate in the discussion that night.



02-11-2009, 17:11

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2134530#post2134530

Well I have to play Concertino de la Camera for a competition next Saturday and I am not prepared at all.

Even worse, I have an accompanist practice in about 2 hours and I am not really ready......Now I think of it, I better go practice.....

TevashSzat is online at 17:11 that night, and still just hanging around, couple hours later. Probably watching the events unfold in the Godfather game, but not commenting. Plenty of time to send in that investigation.





02-12-2009, 15:30

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ATPG I am sorry that you are indeed quite wrong.....I am just a townie as always and here is my rebuttal to your analysis.

____________later___________

Sasaki made a good argument against YLC and want him to respond. Sigurd votes YLC as a pressure vote.

Now instead of YLC responding to an attack on him like myself, he votes for himself, which IMO, is incredibly scummy.

Quick question: Had I not responded like so and simply voted myself saying that oh there is no point in staying alive at all? Does that make me more or less scummy?



ATPG I must applaud you for your effort, but I seriously doubt your reasoning behind my supposed scumminess.

You claim that I voted for the CoP, tried to stop bad arguments and point out WIFOM beforehand, don't post a great deal, which is my normal behavior, and vote on a clearly scummy or at least, not very helpful townie.

I am ambivalent as to whether you are a mafioso with WAYYYYYY too much time on your hands or just a misguided townie. Your rather poor analysis and almost capricious choosing of scummy people, however, make me think that you will do little but distract the town's discussion.

Vote: ATPG


Edit:

I strongly encourage people to actually read ATPG's analysis before just capriciously bandwagoning for whomever he deemed to be scummy.

Edit 2:

FOS: Quintus No comment regarding ATPG's analysis at all. Did you even read his analysis of me?

And so he shows up the next day, just after the night phase ended, and says that YLC is still a suspect. Fine... but then what happens?





02-13-2009, 14:49

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Okay, this is getting really really stupid here

FOS: Quintus.JC, YLC, Beefy187, Askthepizzaguy, Psychonaut

ATPG I love how you haven't answered my rebuttal AT ALL

I spent the time to go through your comments so shouldn't you?

Seriously, I REQUEST THAT EVERYONE WHO VOTES FOR ME ACTUALLY READS MY DEFENCE FIRST BEFORE JUMPING ONTO THE BANDWAGON

@Sasaki,

Thank you for actually reading over things

After clearing YLC of suspicion via investigation, he points the FOS at YLC.




Yesterday, 11:01

Night 3: Alas, did not manage to get in my results in time. I don't know what I was thinking, but I didn't send it in early.

I disagree.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Post 801

Okay, I can't believe this has gone this far already, but as per the rules of GH, the Detective cannot reveal privately to anyone.

Thats right, guys, I am the Detective. Night 4: Investigated YLC due to the whole thing with him there

Results: Innocent. Meh, I still didn't know from then since he screamed scummy to me, but with ATPG's whole YLC thing I guess that explains it

Post 882

Okay, this is getting really really stupid here

FOS: Quintus.JC, YLC, Beefy187, Askthepizzaguy, Psychonaut

Your explanation for this apparent lack of rational thought processes? YLC, who basically committed suicide, is the GODFATHER???



Tevash doesn't seem honest to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In short, I ask that I suicide before I continue on and say something that will not only ban me from the gameroom, but the Org as a whole, if I have no already.

Shhh... be nice, it is just a game. Please. You're my friend, don't do that.

[Beefy187]

I cannot quite say that I understand how you feel. But I used to get angry when I used to get lynched for what I do, especially when I did everything for the love of the town. I got in to few fights with my fellow players and I did concider punching the screen a couple times.. But mafia game is about lying. And I always found joy after confusion, some annoyence after the game.

As one of the player I feel responsible for making one of us feel like that. For that I want to apologize.

If you are truly leaving us then its your choice. But I will be miss you heaps.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Beefy, what do you think of Tevash pointing the FOS on YLC after he basically committed suicide and voted himself and nearly got lynched, and after Tevash already cleared him of suspicion with an "investigation", and after he had already revealed he was a "detective"?


Can anyone explain it? Tevash, do you have an explanation? Shlin? ANYONE?


By the way, Shlin, how was your breakfast? 20 minutes from sitting in front of the keyboard to sitting in front of the keyboard, you must have had reason to eat it up real fast!

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Sorry, was having breakfast.

You were probably NOT guilty, but it was either you (Either guilty, or a townie) or Tevash (Either guilty, detective or a townie)

Now, who would you lynch? You of course. You were simply the guiltier of the two, plus Tevash may genuinely have a chance of actually being detective...

Also, as I said before, just because Seamus voted for you over a supposed detective is not a proof of not being mafia, as a mafia would will kill the detective in the night, not during the day.

PS: Did anyone actually read my post about my crazy answer to SK's clues?

Edit: Spellings

Changing the subject much?

[Beefy187]

Beefy, what do you think of Tevash pointing the FOS on YLC after he basically committed suicide and voted himself and nearly got lynched, and after Tevash already cleared him of suspicion with an "investigation", and after he had already revealed he was a "detective"?


Can anyone explain it? Tevash, do you have an explanation? Shlin? ANYONE?


By the way, Shlin, how was your breakfast? 20 minutes from sitting in front of the keyboard to sitting in front of the keyboard, you must have had reason to eat it up real fast!

My dinner was fantastic. Thanks for asking

Voting for your self is considered suspecious. FoS is completely understandable.

As YLC didn't get lynched that night, I think it makes sense to investigate him as he did explain his motives. God Father is not likely to do a risky stunt that early in the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Why FOS someone you cleared via investigation, after revealing that you cleared them?

Only explanation is that Tevash thought YLC was the Godfather. YEAH. That's likely.

[Beefy187]

Im not Tevash so I cannot be sure what he meant by it.

But im guessing by not including YLC may have put Tevash in risk of night kill as it may somehow hint that he investigated YLC, there fore Tevash is innocent

Or for the safety of YLC as he is comfirmed innocent. Mafia should be killing those who are comfirmed innocent as it is impossible to get them lynched.

Or he just went copy paste everyone who voted for me (Tevash)..

And yes YLC has a possibility of being the God Father.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Beefy, he was here for several hours the night he supposedly forgot to investigate, playing mafia games. And he was here for a while between each post. And if he's the investigator, playing mafia games, active on this forum during the Godfather's NIGHT PHASE, not contributing to the DISCUSSION and not investigating ANYONE....

What is he?




Hey Shlin, I'm waiting to exhale. Any more scummy defenses of Tevash? Running out of excuses, eh?

Would anyone care to grab some torches and pitchforks? Oh, and go wake the other dead people. They deserve a share of the carcass.

[Beefy187]

Did he make any post in other section of the forum?

(Sorry if its in your wall of text. Like I told you on pm Im watching TV )

I personally am against posting during the night phases. As it gives out hint to the mafia who to kill.

Or he left the org on and was doing something ales.. Which is what I did yesterday..

Again. Its only theories

[shlin28]

ATPG... Tevash investigated YLC on NIGHT 4, AFTER YLC got scummy, so what is this focus on Tevash's inactivity on the 3rd night? His vote for YLC on Day 3 were valid and quite sensible at the time, as he (claimed) he had no results at that moment. His actions afterwards... meh. It does seem odd, but it still does not detract from the fact that as he is a potential detective, he should not be lynched last day phase.

Why couldn't YLC be the Godfather anyway? Its a 1 in 28 chance, he is no more likely to not be a Godfather than me...

Anyhoo, got to go now, be back in 3-4 hours. I hope you'll still be online then ATPG!

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Did he make any post in other section of the forum?

(Sorry if its in your wall of text. Like I told you on pm Im watching TV )

I personally am against posting during the night phases. As it gives out hint to the mafia who to kill.

Or he left the org on and was doing something ales.. Which is what I did yesterday..

Again. Its only theories

Yes, he made two. One 48 minutes after GH asked for NIGHT ACTIONS. Then, again, a few hours later. He's no detective.

I've proven that he lied about things.

He stood by and said nothing that night. He was here for hours and didn't send in his investigation. He was online when GeneralHankerchief asked for Pms. He could not have possibly missed it.

He FOS'ed someone he cleared as innocent, after revealing. His detective reveal was done under scummy circumstances. His defenses have been riddled with holes, his behavior prior to all that was entirely low-key and unhelpful.

There is no need to wait. TevashSzat is a liar, has poor reasoning, and could only have thought that YLC was the Godfather, which... duh... he cannot possibly be.

ATPG... Tevash investigated YLC on NIGHT 4, AFTER YLC got scummy, so what is this focus on Tevash's inactivity on the 3rd night? His vote for YLC on Day 3 were valid and quite sensible at the time, as he (claimed) he had no results at that moment. His actions afterwards... meh. It does seem odd, but it still does not detract from the fact that as he is a potential detective, he should not be lynched last day phase.

Why couldn't YLC be the Godfather anyway? Its a 1 in 28 chance, he is no more likely to not be a Godfather than me...

Anyhoo, got to go now, be back in 3-4 hours. I hope you'll still be online then ATPG!

Running away, eh? If I may quote Monty Python:

"You yellow ! Come back and take what's coming to you, I'll bite your legs off!"



He wasn't INACTIVE night 3, he was LURKING and he claims he "forgot" to send in the investigation! His reveal came when he was about to die! He is FOS'ing people he declared innocent.

[Beefy187]

ATPG... Tevash investigated YLC on NIGHT 4, AFTER YLC got scummy, so what is this focus on Tevash's inactivity on the 3rd night? His vote for YLC on Day 3 were valid and quite sensible at the time, as he (claimed) he had no results at that moment. His actions afterwards... meh. It does seem odd, but it still does not detract from the fact that as he is a potential detective, he should not be lynched last day phase.

Why couldn't YLC be the Godfather anyway? Its a 1 in 28 chance, he is no more likely to not be a Godfather than me...

Anyhoo, got to go now, be back in 3-4 hours. I hope you'll still be online then ATPG!

Just to be a prick I am its 1 in 18 chances. As the 6 killed cannot be and after we lynched 4 the game goes on

Sorry I couldn't resist

[Askthepizzaguy]

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HAHAHAHA!!! Good one, Beefy.

YLC is totally, totally suicidal in this game. Seireikhaan has suggested we use our heads. Why don't we?

YLC is as much the Godfather as TevashSzat is the detective.