Israel: Murdering scientists?

[tibilicus]

In my opinion, pragmatism involves proper planning. Realistic and practical goals work.



So you are troubled by a country possessing nuclear bombs in a defensive manner, a country that has been repeatedly attacked by surrounding nations which happen to hate it, and yet you are either not troubled by Iran and/or don't mind if they expand their arsenal?

No, I'm not troubled by Iran yet hence I see the killing of scientists pointless. Your simply wrong if you buy in to the belief that Iran posses some kind of major military threat. Just like everyone else in the region its military is pretty much a joke when compared to Israel or any other western country.

I mean seriously its air force consists of old 50's and 70's knock off's, the same can probably said for their armour and their foot soldiers consist of millions of loonies armed with AK's.


I know I wouldn't be scared if I had my modern multi role fighters and mechanized military.

[Furunculus]

No, I'm not troubled by Iran yet hence I see the killing of scientists pointless.

Your simply wrong if you buy in to the belief that Iran posses some kind of major military threat. Just like everyone else in the region its military is pretty much a joke when compared to Israel or any other western country.

you don't live in israel, so no, i imagine you don't feel terribly threatened by iran. quelle surprise!

i don't take seriously the possibility of a conventional war between iran and israel, what i do take very seriously is an unstable and despotic regime against israel holding nuclear weapons.

[LittleGrizzly]

irrelevant, nobody should want excitable revolutionaries anywhere near big red buttons.

Thier recent revolution was getting rid of the puppet we installed, no more excitable revolutionaries than the founding fathers...

What I am basically saying is they were well within thier right to get rid of our puppet and decide thier own direction, which isn't really an arguable point...

the moment iran stops funding hamas/hezbollah/others we are very likely to take the pressure off.

Why should they whilst we still fund Israel, or is it only ok for us to fund proxys ?

because it is a representative parliamentary democracy.

errm, i never said that.. ohh you mean Israel, I don't see why representative parlimentary democracy should affect it, considering some of the democracys (israel palestine) there are probably less aggressive warlike dictatorships about that i would trust more with nukes, besides Iran has a kind of democracy going, the mullahs have to approve the candidates but they are not exactly extremists, they have fairly liberal candidates able to compete, the only real difference from somewhere like US or UK would seem to be the mullahs have to vet the candidate as well as the political party, whereas over here its just the political party...

Damn got to go... ill finish the rest of the points later...

[Yoyoma1910]

Dans la nuit, tous les chats sont gris.


Does anyone here live in a nation without a military or intelligence agency? Congratulations.

[Furunculus]

errm, i never said that.. ohh you mean Israel, I don't see why representative parlimentary democracy should affect it, considering some of the democracys (israel palestine) there are probably less aggressive warlike dictatorships about that i would trust more with nukes, besides Iran has a kind of democracy going, the mullahs have to approve the candidates but they are not exactly extremists, they have fairly liberal candidates able to compete, the only real difference from somewhere like US or UK would seem to be the mullahs have to vet the candidate as well as the political party, whereas over here its just the political party...

see above.

[Hooahguy]

No, I'm not troubled by Iran yet hence I see the killing of scientists pointless. Your simply wrong if you buy in to the belief that Iran posses some kind of major military threat. Just like everyone else in the region its military is pretty much a joke when compared to Israel or any other western country.

I mean seriously its air force consists of old 50's and 70's knock off's, the same can probably said for their armour and their foot soldiers consist of millions of loonies armed with AK's.


I know I wouldn't be scared if I had my modern multi role fighters and mechanized military.

i repeat: the most dangerous thing in the world to do is to underestimate your enemies.

btw, AFAIK russia sold iran some very advanced AA technology, among other things, a few years ago.

btw, what about the fact that iran has EMP capability?
EMPs are much worse...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

How dare they arm themselves after being demonized for 20 years!

[Hax]

what i do take very seriously is an unstable and despotic regime against israel holding nuclear weapons.

Iran has democratically elected presidents. Or was Khatami a joke?

[Furunculus]

Iran has democratically elected presidents. Or was Khatami a joke?

what a nice soundbite............... but does it have any substance. lets see:

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/D...ex_2007_v3.pdf

Iran = 139th out of 167 and filed under authoritarian regimes.

Israel = 47th and filed under flawed democracy just underneath Poland.

no, your statement has zero worthwhile content.

[Ser Clegane]

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/D...ex_2007_v3.pdf

Very interesting - something worth to take a closer look at

[CrossLOPER]

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/D...ex_2007_v3.pdf

That looks somewhat flawed. Looking at one of the category scores, II Functioning of government, a country becomes more democratic if people "feel like" they're a democracy. The questions also appear to be either somewhat subjective or really technical. I think it could be much better if factors such as stability and well defined social conditions were added in.

[Furunculus]

That looks somewhat flawed. Looking at one of the category scores, II Functioning of government, a country becomes more democratic if people "feel like" they're a democracy. The questions also appear to be either somewhat subjective or really technical. I think it could be much better if factors such as stability and well defined social conditions were added in.

a bit like a political stability index:
http://www.pwc.com/extweb/service.ns...571d8005f0b12#
medium = israel
medium/low =
low = iran

or Eurasia Groups political risk index:
http://www.eurasiagroup.net/download...0Index%20(GPRI)

or a bit like the human development index?

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

israel = 24
iran = 84

regardless, anyone got a better democratic index..............................................................?

[Hooahguy]

How dare they arm themselves after being demonized for 20 years!

people said that about Nazi Germany too....

[Hooahguy]

ignore- dang this lousy internet connection...

[tibilicus]

i repeat: the most dangerous thing in the world to do is to underestimate your enemies.

btw, AFAIK russia sold iran some very advanced AA technology, among other things, a few years ago.

btw, what about the fact that iran has EMP capability?
EMPs are much worse...

Well if I'm reading what I am about EMP's they seem very advanced and other than a few sources there is no major evidence to suggest Iran has them.

Also if I'm understanding what an EMP does on a bit of a side not couldn't some one like Russia use an EMP to disable the US anti nuke shield? Does it work in a sense like that?

[Hooahguy]

Well if I'm reading what I am about EMP's they seem very advanced and other than a few sources there is no major evidence to suggest Iran has them.

Also if I'm understanding what an EMP does on a bit of a side not couldn't some one like Russia use an EMP to disable the US anti nuke shield? Does it work in a sense like that?

EMPs shuts down communications and other such things, AFAIK.
with that, they could shit down israels nuclear capability, then launch a nuke.
and IIRC, http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=44017