Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[Phalanx300]

I seemed to be in a whole other battle, that was weird.

Also, when I click the replays it says I have a wrong version so they might look different? Is it because I use single player to watch em and used multiplayer to play em? Or am I just the only one having problems?

[Tolg]

I seemed to be in a whole other battle, that was weird.

Also, when I click the replays it says I have a wrong version so they might look different? Is it because I use single player to watch em and used multiplayer to play em?

That's normal, just like you said it's because of the two different shortcuts. I get the "error" as well, but my replays look exactly the way they are supposed to.

[Potocello]

Phalanx would you mind posting your replays? When we played it seemed like you were playing a completely separate game, it would be interesting to see what you saw.

[IrishHitman]

Let's have another round of 2v2s tonight.

[Tolg]

So, here's the replay of the 1v1 between Irish (Rome, Marian) and Burebista (Ptolemaioi):

Mediafire

And here's the folder with all the replays: Folder

[Βελισάριος]

But I have to mention Irish is a Makedonian player so Romans aren't his cup of tea, and I'm an avid Greek commander (as in KH), I don't really like Phalangitai.

And I'm signing up for the 2v2!
We should have someone with a ver good connection to host it, though.

[Tolg]

I'm up for the 2v2 as well.

I think my connection is pretty good BTW.

[Phalanx300]

Phalanx would you mind posting your replays? When we played it seemed like you were playing a completely separate game, it would be interesting to see what you saw.

Yeah, though when I watched the uploaded replay by Tolg it was the same as the battle I experienced somehow?

[antisocialmunky]

Excuse me, but I, as the Macedonia player, was first to attack.
With devastating effect on Phalanx's line.
I had Phalanx's units in a rout when Poto's (KH) line collapsed.

Really? Maybe one but in the replay I saw, you held the line great and routed the whole maroon Roman army though you Kelto-hellenic hoplites got cut up pretty good. My main critique was for the Roman players. The Romans don't need to be that wary of pointy sticks.

I'm not trying to Monday night quarter back you guys. You guys are doing great since real time multiplayer is hard.

[IrishHitman]

Really? Maybe one but in the replay I saw, you held the line great and routed the whole maroon Roman army though you Kelto-hellenic hoplites got cut up pretty good. My main critique was for the Roman players. The Romans don't need to be that wary of pointy sticks.

I'm not trying to Monday night quarter back you guys. You guys are doing great since real time multiplayer is hard.

It may have looked like the Maroon Romans attacked first.
I let them approach so I could engage them with my phalanx without them running away, and it was a matter of a few paces forward to attack.

We've just finished another battle, that really got me on the edge of my seat.
Very very close.

[Tolg]

It was close, though I was well aware that I was at a disadvantage. Anyway, here's the replay:



Burebista + Tolg (Rome) VS Irish + Phalanx (Macedonia):

http://www.mediafire.com/?t5wzzzfwzez

[IrishHitman]

It was close, though I was well aware that I was at a disadvantage. Anyway, here's the replay:



Burebista + Tolg (Rome) VS Irish + Phalanx (Macedonia):

http://www.mediafire.com/?t5wzzzfwzez

My interpretation of the battle:

Tolg and Bure were divided, while I quickly linked up with Phalanx.
While Phalanx took on Bure (who was at a disadvantage), I denied Tolg access to reinforce him.

Phalanx defeated Bure (which I didn't get the chance to observe due to Tolg) while a long stand off continued on a wide front to the right flank of the first battle area. Tolg began to flank my phalanx, and I moved my phalanx forward to prevent it.
A large fight ensued.

Cavalry skirmishes continued throughout, with Tolg's Triarii chasing my cavalry everywhere, giving his own cavalry a chance to attack the back of my pikes. Luckily, I moved a free pike unit in, trapped his cavalry, and hit it with my own from behind. By now, Phalanx had come to my aid to fish the battle out of the fire, and the routing Roman cavalry combined with being surrounded caused a general rout of the rest of the Roman forces.

[antisocialmunky]

I wonder if having one guy control all the infantry and the other guy control all the cavalry would work better :-p

[Potocello]

I wonder if having one guy control all the infantry and the other guy control all the cavalry would work better :-p

that could be a good idea but there would be a lot of cavalry on the field. I'm picturing 20 units of companions which doesn't seem fair to me.

[the man with no name]

You have to use a program like photoshop to make signatures no name.

That sucks I don't have any of those. Unless Word works, which i doubt it does.

[antisocialmunky]

Well, it doesn't have to be all the cavalry. One guy is in charge of holding the line and the other guy is in charge of flanking the line. Divide up the duties of hammer and anvil.

Also, @ the last replay:

It was pretty much like the other 2 vs 2 until Tolg went nuts and killed nearly 1.5 armies.

[Potocello]

Tolg is unbeatable i'm convinced...

[Phalanx300]

Yes he pretty much is, he certainly knows how to lead the Romans to victory.


Irish and I played another 1V1 battle.

He was Makedonia and I was the Romani. The battle started with some positioning, he succesfully retreated his line by using some Hoplitai to cover his main line. After that I moved in to release all my missles, then I engaged the front with Hastati and moved my Principes to the flanks where they were winning against his Hoplitai. There were continious small cavalry fights between my equites and his hetairoi where my velites and some triarii helped. After a some fighting his flanks were treatened and he moved some center units to the flanks and I used surviving Hastati to try to stop them. In the end my right was destroyed, except for some units which I quickly moved to my left. With my cavalry and velites I was able to chase his Hetairoi away and with all my units was able to completely destroy his left. After that he formed a noob box/napoleonic box or however it is called, I tried to assault it but 5 almost full units of pezhetairoi in a box with 1 in the center formed in a box is not going to get beaten by some depleted hastati/principes/triarii and velites and cavalry. His cavalry did some hammer and anvil and in the end my army was destroyed. Against a box it is mission impossible.

[antisocialmunky]

Boxes suck unless you have elephants.

[IrishHitman]

Phalanx300 (Rome) vs. IrishHitman (Makedonia)

Victory to IrishHitman (ish).

http://www.mediafire.com/?jynyhyzuwyi

Large cavalry skirmishes.
Bugged areas that prevented an advance in formation of my pikes, played straight into Phalanx300's hands. In order to secure victory, I had to use my last resort, an infantry square, au Napoleon..

Phalanx should have won in all fairness.

Yes he pretty much is, he certainly knows how to lead the Romans to victory.


Irish and I played another 1V1 battle.

He was Makedonia and I was the Romani. The battle started with some positioning, he succesfully retreated his line by using some Hoplitai to cover his main line. After that I moved in to release all my missles, then I engaged the front with Hastati and moved my Principes to the flanks where they were winning against his Hoplitai. There were continious small cavalry fights between my equites and his hetairoi where my velites and some triarii helped. After a some fighting his flanks were treatened and he moved some center units to the flanks and I used surviving Hastati to try to stop them. In the end my right was destroyed, except for some units which I quickly moved to my left. With my cavalry and velites I was able to chase his Hetairoi away and with all my units was able to completely destroy his left. After that he formed a noob box/napoleonic box or however it is called, I tried to assault it but 5 almost full units of pezhetairoi in a box with 1 in the center formed in a box is not going to get beaten by some depleted hastati/principes/triarii and velites and cavalry. His cavalry did some hammer and anvil and in the end my army was destroyed. Against a box it is mission impossible.

Agreed.
Though I'd hardly call it a noob box.

[Phalanx300]

A nice battle none the less.

[IrishHitman]

A nice battle none the less.

Without that fifth unit in the centre, you would have murdered the main unit you were attacking.
They were already out of formation by the time I used my cav.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Yes he pretty much is, he certainly knows how to lead the Romans to victory.


Irish and I played another 1V1 battle.

He was Makedonia and I was the Romani. The battle started with some positioning, he succesfully retreated his line by using some Hoplitai to cover his main line. After that I moved in to release all my missles, then I engaged the front with Hastati and moved my Principes to the flanks where they were winning against his Hoplitai. There were continious small cavalry fights between my equites and his hetairoi where my velites and some triarii helped. After a some fighting his flanks were treatened and he moved some center units to the flanks and I used surviving Hastati to try to stop them. In the end my right was destroyed, except for some units which I quickly moved to my left. With my cavalry and velites I was able to chase his Hetairoi away and with all my units was able to completely destroy his left. After that he formed a noob box/napoleonic box or however it is called, I tried to assault it but 5 almost full units of pezhetairoi in a box with 1 in the center formed in a box is not going to get beaten by some depleted hastati/principes/triarii and velites and cavalry. His cavalry did some hammer and anvil and in the end my army was destroyed. Against a box it is mission impossible.

Seems a very interesting battle (left flank, rgith flank). About this box, it´s not a feasible formation in real life, is it?

[Phalanx300]

Agreed.
Though I'd hardly call it a noob box.

Its how such a tactic is called on vanilla multiplayer, I used to play alot of vanilla multiplayer. As the name suggests, its mosty used by noobs. Strategically it is a good tactic though, Alexander also used some sort of semi box at Gaugamela.

About this box, it´s not a feasible formation in real life, is it?

I doubt that in the middle of battle Phalangites would be able to form a box, at Cynophefalai(sp) it took very long to just form up lines, let alone a box.

[IrishHitman]

Its how such a tactic is called on vanilla multiplayer, I used to play alot of vanilla multiplayer. As the name suggests, its mosty used by noobs. Strategically it is a good tactic though, Alexander also used some sort of semi box at Gaugamela.

I doubt that in the middle of battle Phalangites would be able to form a box, at Cynophefalai(sp) it took very long to just form up lines, let alone a box.

It's called a noob box by those who let their enemy form one......

[Phalanx300]

It's called a noob box by those who let their enemy form one......

Not really, considering alot of vanilla players who use it form in in deployment phase. And game wise there is no way one can beat it without elephants or artillery(though in EB very toned down I gues?)

[IrishHitman]

Not really, considering alot of vanilla players who use it form in in deployment phase. And game wise there is no way one can beat it without elephants or artillery(though in EB very toned down I gues?)

Phalanx almost beat mine with a heavy combined attack on one side.
Only intervention by my cavalry and a centre unit to delay the fall saved me.

He almost had it beat.
EB pikes don't hold back the enemy as effectively as in RTW vanilla.

[Aemilius Paulus]

EB pikes don't hold back the enemy as effectively as in RTW vanilla.

You are kidding us right??? The EB phalanxes are near invincible. Please, someone help me out here. RTW phalanxes are ultra easy to get through, while the EB ones seem to employ some sort of magic to hold back just about anything excpet heavy cavalry.

[BurningEGO]

Hell, the box aint noob, but it is an extremely lame tactic!

Irish, you little lamer.

[A Very Super Market]

I don't like doing that. For me, if I can't form an effect phalanx line, I consider the battle lost. Though I wonder if a looser box formation would be acceptable?