The Settlement [Concluded]

[Andres]

Townie Information Networks are a bad idea... especially when they go big scale... almost always end up infiltrated in the end...

Im intrested in your offer Andres... but TC raises a good point, what if we get to the last turn with one good man left, you could go against the town and kill him without retribution...

Ehm, that would still be a town victory, wouldn't it?

My objectives are : exterminate good men + outlive usurpers.

Town objective is outlive usurpers.

Both me and town would win. And if it's me and good man in a day phase, then I'll get lynched, since the good man has 2 votes.

Also your a proven killer... who was going to keep killing until he got caught... why should you now get away with it because you don't want to die ?

I was not going to keep killing until I got caught, I would have stopped once all good men were gone and then I would still have to work with town, since I also have to outlive the usurpers.

Besides seen as you can only kill good men how much use could you be... we have limited numbers of good men left anyway...

If one of or more the remaining mafiosi in the late mid/end game is a good man, then my role can be critical for town victory.

[Andres]

I think there's a second Netherworld complex as well. Something about not trusting a solo killer who has already killed 3 times and who claims he now wants to help the town with vigilante kills.

For the sake of conversation though, I'm curious to know who Andres think we should lynch in his stead and why.

Any of the good men would do

[TinCow]

I was not going to keep killing until I got caught, I would have stopped once all good men were gone and then I would still have to work with town, since I also have to outlive the usurpers.

Good to know you would restricted yourself to only killing 5 more people. Clearly anyone who was going to kill less than HALF of the town should be given the benefit of the doubt.

If one of or more the remaining mafiosi in the late mid/end game is a good man, then my role can be critical for town victory.

If we know a particular good man is a mafioso, why don't we just lynch him? What do we need you for?

[Andres]

Good to know you would restricted yourself to only killing 5 more people. Clearly anyone who was going to kill less than HALF of the town should be given the benefit of the doubt.

You are ignoring the fact that I am exposed now and that I can no longer kill if I want to stay alive. Which I do. We have a common goal: get rid of the usurpers. Town has me in its' power and can order me to do a vig kill.

If we know a particular good man is a mafioso, why don't we just lynch him? What do we need you for?

My ability to kill at night can be crucial in the end game, if let's say the two top suspects are both good men and could dominate the voting procedure with their votes.

Town already has me in its' power and my ability can be of use for you.

[FactionHeir]

I think we can let Andres live for now, he kills again without our say, he gets lynched anyway.

[Yoyoma1910]

If there were an assassin whose job were to Eliminate all the Men, I would vote him.


And who is to say that Andres didn't simply alter or forge his Role PM to make it seem more settler friendly?

[pevergreen]

I think there's a second Netherworld complex as well. Something about not trusting a solo killer who has already killed 3 times and who claims he now wants to help the town with vigilante kills.

Lynch Andres.

I'm still in disbelief over that game. Not joking...some nights my mind turns to mafia and I just go....what. just. happened.

[Andres]

The thing is, I can no longer kill without the approval of the town, since that'll get me lynched

EDIT: as for suspects, I'm most suspicious about FactionHeir at the moment, so that's where my vote will go:

Vote : FactionHeir

[Yoyoma1910]

Sure... sure.


A bit late for that, eh young man? Should have maybe though of your new found social concience before you started spilling blood everywhere.


Edit:

And look, even you are suspicious of one of the few people who support you!


What kind of a sick man are you?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote: Tristan

Though, as this is mafia, I'd like to see a copy of the admittance form.... (kidding!).

Vote: Andres

Note, if a deal is brokered and I'm online to read it, I'll change to conform to the town's deal with Andres.

It really hinges on what you believe of his reveal. There is too much that rings true in there for this to be utterly fabricated...but that does not mean that the reveal is completely unaltered.

Serial Killer roles are traditionally a "last and only" winner. Reenk may not have kept such a tradition -- Reenkster's creative -- but then again.....A serial killer who has altered his PM to read "get the good men only" has a convenient fallback position if discovered.

Trust in such an ally would be difficult. Remember the one about the scorpion, the dog, and the river to be crossed?

[Andres]

Sure... sure.


A bit late for that, eh young man? Should have maybe though of your new found social concience before you started spilling blood everywhere.

Ha! Stop filling the minds of these poor oppressed peasants with your filthy lies. I am an educated man!

As much as I dislike it, I'm willing to ally myself with you to get rid of the usurpers.

Besides, if the game doesn't end with all usurpers gone, the good men can still lynch me with their unfair advantage in voting power.

[boudica]

Seamus has been all to quiet for my taste...sigurd as well.

Also, I find the weird accent stuff impossible, so can anyone tell me if boudica has actually commented on the game?

(ooc: Not that I have much - if anything - to add to the wealth of investigation so far, I shall forego my 'Somerset' accent, given Sasaki's comment and attempt to contribute in a more coherent fashion than simple fire-side narration)

Given Hankerchief, the self-styled General's vehemence regarding Faction Heir and Andres - I would conclude that he is - was - a detective and cannot reveal this because he has been killed, I don't know if ATPG - who claims he knows who the detective is - can confirm this given that he is dead also.

The lack of certainty about the initial claim to Faction Heirs' guilt (???), and now given his confession; Andres therefore seems the best lynch target unless people agree with him that his skills may prove of some use to us.

I am also interested why Pisuf has not struck again. His existence would suggest that there are indeed many individual victory conditions tacked on to outlasting the Usurpers - It makes sense that these would conflict with one another.

How Pisuf would know that Sasaki was a worshipper of another God is maybe not so mysterious. I would guess that Pisuf investigates/kills on alternate nights and got lucky investigating Sasaki on night one.

There are several players who have me sniffing a bit, but that is mainly down to their general lack of contribution/lurkiness. I want to hear Faction Heir comment on General Hankerchief's claim about him - other than that I am fairly non-plussed - There has been some incisive detective work by many that I'm not sure how I can add to atm, but unless a better choice is revealed, or people think he can be made good use of, I shall vote for Andres, as I don't think an admitted assassin would be welcome at the Dog & whether he claims to be for the common man or not.

(also - If someone can clarify why Yoyoma keeps getting drunk and missing things, I'd appreciate it - not sure if I missed something myself in an earlier post.)

[Andres]

Serial Killer roles are traditionally a "last and only" winner. Reenk may not have kept such a tradition -- Reenkster's creative -- but then again.....A serial killer who has altered his PM to read "get the good men only" has a convenient fallback position if discovered.

Trust in such an ally would be difficult. Remember the one about the scorpion, the dog, and the river to be crossed?

Fair enough.

However, you can always lynch me if the game goes on after the last usurper died

Besides, I'm an incapacitated killer, since killing will get me insta lynched from now on. However, my ability may well be the towns last chance when in the end game with one or two usurpers-good men still alive.

It's up to you to keep all options open or not.

[TinCow]

(also - If someone can clarify why Yoyoma keeps getting drunk and missing things, I'd appreciate it - not sure if I missed something myself in an earlier post.)

The way it is written makes me think it is the work of a role blocker. It happened to Yoyoma on N1 and N3 and CountArach on N2.

[_Tristan_]

Just went over the write-ups and something jumped at me that I thought I'll bring to you :

What's with those mentions of CountArach and Yoyoma joining late and drunk at meetings ? Is there any clue to be had in these mentions or are they purely "background" material ?

As to Andres, I'll vote against lynching him. I think he might prove useful seeing how the town has seemingly already been deprived of several valuable roles (GH and Shlin).

There's something I can't fathom about Tincow (perhaps his insistence that we lynch Andres, though he's been exposed and his next kill would spell his certain doom) that leaves me wanting to put a noose around his head.

Vote : Tincow

EDIT : Late...

[Jolt]

How dare the burglar murder the fine men of our society?

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Andres

Off with his head! Though your offer seems interesting Andres (As the townies would gain a killer), the fact that I am myself a Good Men in risk of being murdered by yourself forces me to not care what the plebs think. You will be lynched whether the plebs wish for your help or not. Furthermore, what's to stop the Mafia from killing you if you survived? It would actually be a good way to waste a Mafia kill, but I don't think (At least myself) is worth the risk.

EDIT: Actually, since we have still a handful of Good Man, phreaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to accept his offer. If any of us good men die by his hand then he is dead. If Good Men dwindle through lynching and killing to one, we insta-lynch Andres.

[Yoyoma1910]

I guess I might as well fess up:



My character is an old drunk.

[Andres]

How dare the burglar murder the fine men of our society?

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Andres

Off with his head! Though your offer seems interesting Andres (As the townies would gain a killer), the fact that I am myself a Good Men in risk of being murdered by yourself forces me to not care what the plebs think. You will be lynched whether the plebs wish for your help or not. Furthermore, what's to stop the Mafia from killing you if you survived? It would actually be a good way to waste a Mafia kill, but I don't think (At least myself) is worth the risk.

Come on now. It should be clear to you all that I'm no longer able to kill at night, since I would get lynched if I'd do so. And my ability could be very useful, as I've said numerous times before.

Yes, I'm the most unlikely ally, but an ally nonetheless. And as long as there are good men alive, I can still be lynched at your leisure.

As it stands now, it's not reasonable to waste the abilities of a killer who is a puppet in the hands of the town.

[boudica]

I guess I might as well fess up:



My character is an old drunk.

hmmm - but if what TinCow suspects - that you were blocked - is true and that Count Arach was blocked on night 2, then there would be no need for you to 'fess up' no?

[Jolt]

What does fess up mean? Reveal?

[Andres]

What does fess up mean? Reveal?

I think he meant "confess".

It didn't strike me as a reveal though, more as something meant in jest.

[Yoyoma1910]

I was being facetious.

[Jolt]

I think he meant "confess".

It didn't strike me as a reveal though, more as something meant in jest.

Confess, reveal... Ends up being the same. >_>

[Yoyoma1910]

Someone keeps sending me bottles of delicious wine tied with a pretty ribbon.

How could an old man such as myself resist such a gift?

[Andres]

Someone keeps sending me bottles of delicious wine tied with a pretty ribbon.

How could an old man such as myself resist such a gift?

Any reason why that someone would want to keep blocking you?

EDIT: Unvote ; Vote : Yoyoma1910

[boudica]

No one would have a concrete reason to block Yoyoma on night 1.

Roight, let's lynch this assassin. Seems he's ready to jump on any chance of savin' his sorry skin

vote: Andres

[Yoyoma1910]

No, there is no reason anyone should be blocking me, murderer.

[Andres]

Seems he's ready to jump on any chance of savin' his sorry skin

I won't deny that

Still, instead of the "Oooh! A killer, lynch him!" reasoning, you should really think this over.

What harm can I do? I can no longer kill at night, unless town orders me to.

If you lynch me, I will also no longer be able to kill, but without the possibility of performing vig kills ordered by the town.

I think you all understand that my ability could be crucial for the town's victory in case of an end game with one or two good men-mafiosi still standing.

-> Lynch me : killer can no longer kill who he wants.
-> Do not lynch me : 1) killer can longer kill who he wants; 2) town gains a vigilante that is under its' complete control.

And yes, there would be no reason to block Yoyoma N1, but with two killings on the nights Yoyoma1910 got blocked and three killings on the one night Yoyoma1910 did not get blocked, Yoyoma starts to look very suspicious, no?

[CountArach]

I've skimmed the thread and given that I'm a bit more sober than earlier in the evening:

Vote: Andres

[_Tristan_]

My heart balances between Tincow and Yoyoma...

Unvote : Tincow
Vote : Yoyoma