The Settlement [Concluded]

[FactionHeir]

So you are claiming a detective type role.

Well, there were 4 nights, you gave 2 results (CA doesn't count because he contacted you). Which would the other two be?

[TinCow]

Actually, I only told you one of my results, not two. As I stated, the Andres result came from another person, not me.

My investigations:

N1 - Sasaki - Guilty
N2 - GH - Innocent
N3 - FactionHeir - Innocent
N4 - Living Person Who Will Not Be Named Unless They Are About To Be Lynched - Innocent

I also have knowledge of several other investigation results for other living people. They are all innocent so I will similarly withhold that information until it is needed, for the protection of those people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Somehow I don't think TinCow is telling the truth when he says he has no side goals

I would advise the town to focus on lynching usurpers...

[naut]

Yeh. Good one TC. I don't believe a word of it. Somehow CA killed as Pisuf on the night he was blocked. Thanks for that wonderful tid-bit.

[TinCow]

Who says getting drunk is a role block? Oh, that's right... I did. I wonder why I said that? Could it have been to protect CA from being IDed as Pisuf?

[naut]

Who says getting drunk is a role block? Oh, that's right... I did. I wonder why I said that? Could it have been to protect CA from being IDed as Pisuf?

I'd take the word of the roleblocker over yours anyday.

[Sigurd]

Oh, this will be a classic for sure.

I just finished reading this thread and I must be honest with you, I am completely dumbfounded. I don't know what to say or who to suspect. Two great manipulators have possisioned themselves as directors of the town's effort. Sasaki and TinCow can't be trusted. Even if it is most likely that only one of them are lying through his teeth.

Am I the only one worried about there not being any good men in the lynched list? (I am not helping to change this, I know)
Has anone tried to figure out what the quoted text in our role PMs signifies?

I am on a cellphone, so I might be only on sporadically through this week. At least during work hours.

[boudica]

Nice to see you Sigurd :)

Urg - so sorry to have been only sporadically online for the weekend - I only had time to read up on the fact that I've been killed for the second time in ATPG's Psycho mafia .

If I'd had a chance to catch up on this thread I would have certainly tried to save TinCow over Ichigo any day and my vote would have made it a tie at least. Ach sorry TinCow - I haven't thought of you as scummy throughout the thread. I'd like to hear from CountArach obviously in response to TinCow's accusation. If the mafia don't kill him then I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch him - twice if needs be!

I was happy to vote for Andres when he 'confessed' to a SK role and I'd be happy to vote for CountArach too unless there is a persuasive response to the charges against him.

[TinCow]

I'd take the word of the roleblocker over yours anyday.

Even if it was a role block, it obviously didn't work because CA killed Sasaki. That's a fact. If you don't believe me after everything I've disclosed, there's not much else I can say to convince you. I've given you more than enough evidence to do what's necessary to save yourselves. If you choose not to act on that, you'll realize your error soon enough.

[LittleGrizzly]

Still no response from CA, i suspect the next day or two could be very intresting...

Tell me TC, does CA have (in a way) 2 lives ?

So 2 lynches, or 1 lynch and a night kill or 2 night kills ?

Or does the 2 thing only count for lynches

[TinCow]

Still no response from CA, i suspect the next day or two could be very intresting...

Tell me TC, does CA have (in a way) 2 lives ?

So 2 lynches, or 1 lynch and a night kill or 2 night kills ?

Or does the 2 thing only count for lynches

As far as I am aware, it only works on lynching. If he has a method of surviving a night kill, I do not know about it. He does have a very high duel score and I would not recommend that anyone duel him for this reason, but as far as I can tell from the write-ups, duel scores do not appear to impact night kills.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Even if it was a role block, it obviously didn't work because CA killed Sasaki. That's a fact. If you don't believe me after everything I've disclosed, there's not much else I can say to convince you. I've given you more than enough evidence to do what's necessary to save yourselves. If you choose not to act on that, you'll realize your error soon enough.

You've "disclosed" that pisuf is responsible for your death, despite CA not voting today and pizza having revealed that there's a role that can manipulate vote counts. You "disclosed" that pisuf was your friend, only to disclose ten minutes later that pisuf was evil incarnate. You "disclosed" that there was someone among us who could kill pisuf and then begged the mafia to do it for you. You "disclosed" that pisuf had to alternate between investigation and killing, and then said that he wasn't. You "disclosed" that CA investigated you night one, discovered that you were a god hating atheist, and confessed to you that he was a god. You "disclosed" details about pisufs role (side with mafia, win on own) that no one in their right mind would have confessed to you. You "disclosed" that you were a detective but never investigated CA to check up on his story.

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I have no reason to care overly about Pisuf...

Pisuf seems more like a character who is trying to eliminate certain people. Presumably he investigated me and found that I was a servant of another god, and eliminated me the next night (that's usually how the Investigator/killer roles work--you have to have a result on someone before you can kill them, you can't simply be told or guess). It seems that his task was to eliminate TinCow, who all of the gods disliked:

Deep in the Divine Forest the gods watched the proceeding execution with glee. All their differences disappeared as they saw the molten tin enter Tin Cow's throat.

Vode remarked: "I now somewhat regret plotting against this priest king, for he has done such a great deed in our eyes." OsiOsi nodded and handed the god of wars and foreign peoples a drink.

Kefy however, quickly got over her glee and snapped at OsiOsi: "You have no need for Pisuf now, destroy him!"

OsiOsi replied: "Rather I will let Pisuf lead himself to destruction."

So Pisuf is supposedly leading himself into destruction now. Seems to be a wild card of sorts.

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Eliminating Pisuf is a fine, but the usurpers are more important, and TinCow is trying to lead us astray (he is roleplaying rather hard). If one of pisufs goals was to kill TinCow he would have eliminated him rather than reveal to him that he was a killer. CA was roleblocked on the night of the pisuf killing, which TinCow first responded to with "no he wasn't" and next with "yes but obviously it didn't work!".

In summary: Ignore TinCow and try to find the usurpers

[Askthepizzaguy]

One or both of you are talented at subterfuge. My brain hurts.

[TinCow]

The information I obtained on Pisuf did not come from Pisuf. It was sent to me by a person who was aware of what happened to me after I was lynched. Hence the about-face. I have no desire to explain the inconsistencies in my story because doing so would make the person who informed me vulnerable.

I agree that the usurpers must be killed. If you know who one is, by all means dispose of them. Just be aware that neither the usurpers nor the settlers will win this game if CountArach is alive at the end. If you let him survive, he will be the only victor.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

One or both of you are talented at subterfuge. My brain hurts.

Oh, both of them are. Now, as to who is using subterfuge....

Info on vote shifter? PM maybe? Thanks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oy. Should I even trust you, Seamus? LOL

You're not dead yet, after all. Tell you what... he should come forward and tell you in private. It would be good of him to do so.

[FactionHeir]

I do find it disturbing that the 3 investigations on N1-3 resulted in the death of that person on the very next night. So is the N4 person to go next?

IMO this seems to suggest to me that whoever TC is in contact with IS the sorcerer of Vode. Or TC was the sorceror...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oy. Should I even trust you, Seamus? LOL

You're not dead yet, after all. Tell you what... he should come forward and tell you in private. It would be good of him to do so.

Fair enough. The more info I have the more I can organize my thoughts.

Part of why I did so big a reveal all at once, Pizza. I figured that if I had more or less everything out in the open and published, there would be little reason to whack me immediately. Better to go for another as yet unknown threat. I could always be sworded down by one of the usurpers as a "bonus" once they think victory is close. So my death has been foretold, but not acted upon. Actually, my murder would almost be a positive for the town, since all the town loses is a lynch vote and I might even have a protector who would expose a bad guy as I died (not that Reenk would let me know of it).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe you Seamus; I just don't want to be responsible for any more leaks. That's all.

Ask around; ask everyone who voted for Tincow. One of them probably was responsible.

[TinCow]

IMO this seems to suggest to me that whoever TC is in contact with IS the sorcerer of Vode. Or TC was the sorceror...

If I was the Sorcerer or was helping the Sorcerer, presumably Vode wouldn't have been so pleased with my death. All the Gods hated me because I did not believe in them. It is perfectly reasonable to assume from that that I would also want to eliminate the Gods (though that wasn't my objective), but it's a bit of a stretch to say that I could have been actively in league with Vode.

I believe you Seamus; I just don't want to be responsible for any more leaks. That's all.

Ask around; ask everyone who voted for Tincow. One of them probably was responsible.

I'm well aware of who caused the vote switch, but I think that person is still working towards a victory for the settlers. As such, I will not expose them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm well aware of who caused the vote switch, but I think that person is still working towards a victory for the settlers. As such, I will not expose them.

Me too. If it's the one thing I do right this game, that's it.

[LittleGrizzly]

So we are sure the vote switching guy is a good guy... well if he puts it to good use then great... if not...

[FactionHeir]

Still, how do you explain that people die the night after you investigated them? 3 times in a row so far.

[TinCow]

Still, how do you explain that people die the night after you investigated them? 3 times in a row so far.

The explanation is simple: you're attempting to manufacture evidence to support a pre-conceived notion that I am somehow untrustworthy.

I've specifically said that I caused Sasaki's death. That was not a coincidence. It was also very clear that Pisuf killed Sasaki, so I don't see how you could possibly allege it had something to do with me being aligned with the Sorcerer.

GH was then killed by the assassin Andres. Not only was he also not the sorcerer, but I was the person who sent GH the detective result on Andres, which then prompted GH to speak out against him and resulted in Andres' lynch. Why would I finger Andres (incidentally, probably sparing you from the lynch at the same time) if GH's death at Andres' hands was my fault? Also, if I gave info on GH to Andres to get Andres to kill GH, why hasn't Andres said anything about this?

Finally, you were killed by the sorcerer. I have no idea why you were killed, but whatever reason it was had nothing to do with me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Convincing argument. Deserves brownie points if it's total hogwash. I'll buy it just for the sheer entertainment value if I am wrong.

[Jolt]

I have no idea why you were killed, but whatever reason it was had nothing to do with me.

Obviously (If it was an intended hit, as is most likely) because he was an investigator, and if he was discovered by the mafia/leaked to the mafia, I doubt they would allow an Investigator on the loose (As they didn't), which could unmask them. If they follow the same pattern, then the sorcerer will surely hit Pisuf tonight.

[CountArach]

Alright I completely admit it - I lied to TinCow about my side role. Unfortunately though the bus to Uni leaves in 10 minutes and I can't do a detailed breakdown until the next day phase. In the meantime, here is my role PM:

Hello CountArach, thanks for playing

I shared a bottle of wine with him once and woke up with a terrible pain in my loins...

Kefy the goddess of the earth on you

You are Pisuf

Background:

The god of the arts, you are the patron of the things which some misguided fools, both divine and mortal, call low. You inspire man to create the most exquisite works of pornographic poetry and pottery from his deepest and most basic instincts.

You are a free spirit and some call you a troublemaker, including that hard*** OsiOsi, lord of the sky and king of the gods. He didn't give a damn when you bedded his wife Remi along with three mortal woman in his chambers. Yet when you farted during the assembly and then blamed it on him he banished you from the Divine Forest and forced you into a mortal form...

As you walked among the mortals you made your presence felt in many ways. Primarily though, you were the soul who ended the great Civil War by turning the priests of the false gods amongst each other. Unfortunately you invoked the ire of the ‘Great ***hole in the sky’ when you ‘accidentally’ tripped and stabbed the high priest of OsiOsi in several of the other cities.

Your actions have been labeled as many things by the gods, but they can do little for you are still a god, far above the standards of men, and so it bothers you little that you have been accused of indulgent caprice, especially when it comes to stabbing things.

OsiOsi has given you a redemption quest which you have ignored for far too long. You are to find and kill a certain group of men who lurk amongst a new settler group who go against the will of OsiOsi. Any fun you might wish to have must take a back seat to your mission.

Battle Rating:

10 - Although your status as a god has been stripped from you, you still are the most powerful mortal being on the world. Standing over nine feet tall in this mortal form, you are more fearsome in war than the greatest heroes of legend ever were. Your knowledge far surpasses the greatest sages of this world and you have an incredible command of magic. You will indeed seem like a god to these mortals.

Abilities:

Investigation: Every odd-numbered night period, you may attempt an investigation on one settler. This will involve making a request to OsiOsi who will then send you down the exact knowledge on that settler.

Resistances: Due to your unique status, you will be unaffected in many ways from the world around you. However, you do not know the limits of your resistances and they may change depending on the path you choose.

Kill: Every even-numbered night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. You will have many methods at your disposal to perform this deed

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Outlast the Psyensil

Public Role:

Can I get it with chicken?

A customer when buying a bowl

You are a Potter

Background:

Why did you become a potter? You often think about this question when your mind is idle on the wheel.

The most widely held theory is that you are descended from a tribe which incorporated pottery into a central position of their hunting rituals. Your tribe believed that if the hunter cannot see the prey then the prey cannot see the hunter and so one man of the tribe ingeniously instructed the hunters to put clay bowls over their heads so as to increase productivity during a famine.

Other theories have recently been advanced, more based on actual reality, such as the theory that you have inherited your profession supported by the fact that your father and your father’s father were potters, but so far these have not gained popularity from academics or the general public at large.

Whatever the reason, every new settlement needs a potter to make sure that the history and culture of a people is remembered when the potsherds are dug up thousands of years later (as well as the less important reason for providing vessels for various uses).

Battle Rating:

1 - You continue the traditions of your tribe by putting a pot over your head when you go into battle. Unfortunately, baked clay is not that effective at protecting against blows and also a pot over the eyes impedes vision.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)

Reenk added this after my kill:

Resistances: Should you get lynched, you will continue on in the game unaffected. However, this ability is used up after one lynch and should you be lynched again, it will be the normal case.

As TinCow said this can be confirmed by another player. And now I will probably need protection...

Oh damn, 3 minutes to the bus and it's a 5 minute walk...

[TinCow]

He has omitted multiple things from that role PM, including the victory condition to outlast the settlers.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There is stuff cut out of that pm...

depending on the path you choose.

No mention of this in the body. No mention of who the group of settlers you are supposed to kill are.

Seems to be a theme...investigators who have to kill certain townies as part of their goal (in this case CA's "redemption goal" which is clearly not mandatory. Decent way to balance the game, kudos reenk.


I think that next round it is vital that we begin challanging people, and lynching those who refuse. Unless we get better evidince, we need to do better than "lynch ichigo becaus he hasn't posted at all".

Outlast the Psyensil

Wasn't there the first time I opened the thread, who is or what are the Psyensil?

[TinCow]

I was the Psyensil. It was the name of my role, which I can presumably say since it has now been posted. Since CA has so graciously posted at least part of his role PM, where I could not previously do so, I would like to point out a few things.

1) Whether you believe CA about his true objective or not, the goal of eliminating the Psyensil was separate from the goal of elimating the usurpers in his role PM. This shows that I cannot be a usurper, because if I was my elimination would already be covered by the "outlast the usurpers" goal. I am therefore not a usurper.

2) This presumably puts an end to the debate about me lying about the role blocking. Pisuf killed on Night 2. CA was the 'drunk' on Night 2. CA admits he is Pisuf. This should confirm what I was saying, namely that the drunkness is not a block, or if it was a block, it's a very ineffective block.

[edit]Also, to restate what I said previously, CA has falsified the information about his night actions in that role PM. He can kill or investigate on any night he chooses. He is not limited to even/odd nights.