The Settlement [Concluded]

[Jolt]

TinCow apparently says the truth when he refers to CA lying about his objectives. If not, let's see the following.

The usurpers are apparently servants of Vode, yet CA has killed Sasaki which was a servant of Kefy. Since Sasaki was a servant of Kefy he wasn't therefore a usurper, yet CA killed him. CA is lying about his goals, and I am inclined to believe TinCow says the truth and that he is a SK. We therefore lynch him in two days.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Problem is, TinCow and CA have both lied...hmm. This statement:

As TinCow said this can be confirmed by another player. And now I will probably need protection...

CA is familiar with TinCow's source? Or some other player who knows things?

Clearly we don't know the whole story. Maybe there is an anti-pisuf character...perhaps a high priest of osiosi. What reasons do you have for trusting this person tincow? They should also send the same information to someone else who is trustworthy. 2 days lynching is a quite a commitment...

[Reenk Roink]

Night will be extended to allow for a new time slot (12:00 - 16:00 EST). Also all PM's have not come in yet!

[CountArach]

Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment.

What source would this be?

Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes.

Nope, I’ve posted my role PM and you know that I’ve been checked out by another detective who received the exact same role PM. I know he did because I asked that he leave out the part about the Psyensil and this other person complied willingly when I made up a PM saying that you were against me.

Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill.

Alright here is the first major problem with your theory… Because:

Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill

What happened within that time frame?

Because he was biding his time waiting.

Yes indeed, I was going to kill you after I found out who the evil roles were so that I could win the game in the simplest matter possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if other God-related roles also had my death as a side objective.

I doubt it, I think we would have heard about it in the write-up, in the same way we heard about my success in the side objective.

Yeh. Good one TC. I don't believe a word of it. Somehow CA killed as Pisuf on the night he was blocked. Thanks for that wonderful tid-bit.

Alright on the night I was ‘blocked’ by the alcohol I received a PM saying I was essentially immune, because I am a God… which makes sense. However I was blocked on night 3 by a religious role when I was supposed to be investigating LittleGrizzly. Here is the PM that Reenk sent me:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You begin to approach LittleGrizzly’s tent, yet as you near it you hear a voice behind you.

“Repent ye sinners! The day of reckoning is upon ye!”

A man in a black cape runs past brandishing various religious tools. You know that these mere talismans have no real effect on anything and yet you move back behind the nearest tent flap, a whorehouse that you have used from time to time. Several other villagers follow closely behind this man and a couple of them lean up against LittleGrizzly’s tent for a breather. Unfortunately they are so enamoured by the whorehouse that they decide to stay there for a number of hours.

“Screw this,” you mutter, “I’m going home…”

As far as I am aware, it only works on lynching. If he has a method of surviving a night kill, I do not know about it. He does have a very high duel score and I would not recommend that anyone duel him for this reason, but as far as I can tell from the write-ups, duel scores do not appear to impact night kills.

To the best of my knowledge this is the correct interpretation of my second life. Of course my role PM is ambiguous about Resistances and as such I might well be immune to night kills as well. We shall find out in the morning I guess… after all I suspect to be killed…



As for Sasaki’s guilt, here is the PM TinCow sent me that he received from Reenk that was the reason for me killing him.

As you slip into the tent of Sasaki Kojiro, you roll your eyes as they pass over the many alters to various gods, although it puzzles you when you encounter large detailed tomes that one would expect a well read priest to posses, not a common man like Sasaki Kojiro.

The thing that most disturbs you however is the shelf of powders and liquids of odd consistency and color. Also on this shelf are various books and scraps of papyrus. Some of the books have detailed information on the gods that you would expect only a priest to posses, not a common man. More troubling are the loose sheets of papyrus, which contain high level notes about the chemical reactions of what you guess are the substances on the shelf with water. The writings are so high level that even you cannot make full sense of them despite all your education in the chemical sciences.

Making inferences from the evidence you have gathered, you come to the conclusion that Sasaki Kojiro is indeed guilty.

I’m sure TinCow can confirm this if need be. Of course it is entirely possible that he has side roles that I was not informed of when I investigated TinCow that involve killing and one of those roles is to kill off the religious characters. He might have investigated Sasaki and found him to be something religious then faked the PM when he saw I could kill. The PM does look legitimate though.

He has omitted multiple things from that role PM, including the victory condition to outlast the settlers.

How would you know?

There is stuff cut out of that pm...

depending on the path you choose.

No mention of this in the body. No mention of who the group of settlers you are supposed to kill are.

After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction.

1) Whether you believe CA about his true objective or not, the goal of eliminating the Psyensil was separate from the goal of elimating the usurpers in his role PM. This shows that I cannot be a usurper, because if I was my elimination would already be covered by the "outlast the usurpers" goal. I am therefore not a usurper.

No you are indeed not an usurper as far as I can tell, but that does not mean you don’t have extra roles.

[edit]Also, to restate what I said previously, CA has falsified the information about his night actions in that role PM. He can kill or investigate on any night he chooses. He is not limited to even/odd nights.

You have yet to provide any evidence of this.

CA is familiar with TinCow's source? Or some other player who knows things?

We have a mutual acquaintance who is a detective. He investigated me and recevied my role PM.

Also to everyone who is advocating lynching me, I will remind you that you will have to lynch me twice, thus meaning that the mafia get a free day without conversation. At the very least, try to find the mafia first and then lynch me if the game does not end.

Alright now a question for TinCow. If indeed we are to assume I could kill on each night and investigate on every night, why wouldn’t I tell you that in the first place? To what point or purpose would I lie about something like that?

Any other questions or explanations?

[White_eyes:D]

After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction.

After reading that....sticking to lynching him for two days, does not sound bad.....(Can't have a super powered god on the loose)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am hungry. Feed me some Pisuf, bathed in blood, and I will go away.

[CountArach]

I just got more powerful - and I doubt I would be able to get even more powerful. What could Reenk possibly do to me to make me even better?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Make you invisible?

[CountArach]

Or X-Ray vision...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think some lovely A1 steak sauce will do. Where are my manners. What kind of wine would you like to be served with?

[CountArach]

I think some lovely A1 steak sauce will do. Where are my manners. What kind of wine would you like to be served with?

Something expensive... I am a God after all.

[LittleGrizzly]

The main thing im thinking CA, is your friend is very conspicious in his absence, you mention him as a source of info and someone that can confirm your role pm... but he is strangely absent... surely saving a super powered god would be his top priority... unless he is worried about were your loyalty's lie...

[CountArach]

The main thing im thinking CA, is your friend is very conspicious in his absence, you mention him as a source of info and someone that can confirm your role pm... but he is strangely absent... surely saving a super powered god would be his top priority... unless he is worried about were your loyalty's lie...

Why would we risk revealing yet another detective to the town? TinCow can confirm that this other player received the role PM I posted and forwarded it to him.

[LittleGrizzly]

Well it doesn't need to be revealed in the thread...

Perhaps a 3rd player, a trusted source could be used, surely between your investigations you have someone who fits the bill ?

Your friend could confirm through this trusted source that your role pm is as it should be.... or not

Because at the moment i see 2 players who i thought were pro-town going at each other, one is dead and thus any side goals he had are over... all he can hope for is settler victory... whereas you still being alive can complete any side goals...

So why would an innocent player go after you like this.... it doesn't seem tincows style to go for pure revenge, otherwise he would have made an effort to go after the vote changer...?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd trust TheFlax, considering I cannot be trusted to keep stuff secret.

[CountArach]

So why would an innocent player go after you like this.... it doesn't seem tincows style to go for pure revenge, otherwise he would have made an effort to go after the vote changer...?

I think someone has sent him information on Pisuf that is just plain wrong. There's no reason I would possibly lie about my night role.

As for the third party source, that is up to the third party to decide. I would appreciate it if they could find someone who is confirmed innocent.

[TinCow]

The night result action CA posted on Sasaki is correct. That is what I received from Reenk, verbatim.

CA's entire defense is based on the idea that there's a person out there who can confirm his innocence because he investigated CA. This person has not spoken up to aid him. While the role PM that CA posted is basically what he sent me on Turn 1, after he told me exactly who I was without being prompted, it is not his full role PM. I was sent a full copy of his real role PM shortly after my lynching. This is why I made an about face and warned the town about him, instead of leaving him in peace as was my original intention. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who sent me the real role PM.

You made your move too early CA. You should have waited until you were only a couple night rounds away from victory, since you could have survived a single lynching.

"Patience is the greatest of all virtues."
- Cato the Elder

[LittleGrizzly]

Im sure CA, but the main thing sealing the case for me is the lack of information from this 3rd player, im pretty damn sure he could find someone to pass on this information if needed. Even without players you or 3rd player know the innocence of you still have an option like seamus left, but you need this guy to pm seamus backing up what you have been saying and calling TC out on his lies.

If you can do this i shall have a hard decision to make and will be somewhat nuetral in the matter... until such a point i find myself siding with TC...

Not just because of TC mind you, Sasaki said there was stuff missing from your pm even though he was arguing against TC's case, so no obvious reason for him to back TC...

[naut]

Interesting to see if the block works tonight then...

[CountArach]

I've PMed the third party to see if they trust me and are willing to help. Now it is only a matter of time.

[LittleGrizzly]

Then for the moment i shall reserve judgement until we hear from the 3rd player... perhaps through another player... either that or until the day phase comes... though i think the day phase could be pretty soon... so im willing to give a few hours after the day phase starts...

[TinCow]

While we are waiting for CA's savior to arrive, I suppose I should explain why my information is superior to any that this person may eventually produce. As I noted shortly after I was lynched, in death I received enlightenment. You see, we live in a world ruled by Gods. In life, I did not believe in these Gods. I thought they were silly notions created by man to explain the things that he was too stupid to comprehend. As I was not stupid and comprehended all, the Gods were a joke to me.

In death, it quickly became clear to me that this was not true. The afterlife is not something that I can readily refute, and OsiOsi has appeared to me directly to scold me for my previous ways. OsiOsi is a generous and forgiving God, however, and he was grateful that I had been aiding his Settlers and fighting against the Usurpers, even while I continued in my heresy. So, he gave me perfect knowledge of Pisuf, who apparently had been given a choice of which path to follow and had chosen... poorly. (Read: Reenk sent me CA's full role PM, with some fun backstory.)

This is why my information is correct and should be acted upon. It comes from the ever-merciful and enlightened OsiOsi himself. He gave Pisuf a task to fulfill, namely my death, but also gave him a test to see whether he would be virtuous or not. When Pisuf strayed from that task, my newly pious self was tasked to dispose of him. Balance, in all things.

[CountArach]

I doubt Reenk would send you my role PM after your death. That just seems game breaking.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As you slip into the tent of Sasaki Kojiro, you roll your eyes as they pass over the many alters to various gods, although it puzzles you when you encounter large detailed tomes that one would expect a well read priest to posses, not a common man like Sasaki Kojiro.

The thing that most disturbs you however is the shelf of powders and liquids of odd consistency and color. Also on this shelf are various books and scraps of papyrus. Some of the books have detailed information on the gods that you would expect only a priest to posses, not a common man. More troubling are the loose sheets of papyrus, which contain high level notes about the chemical reactions of what you guess are the substances on the shelf with water. The writings are so high level that even you cannot make full sense of them despite all your education in the chemical sciences.

Making inferences from the evidence you have gathered, you come to the conclusion that Sasaki Kojiro is indeed guilty.

Either TinCow hasn't properly explained who his character thinks is "guilty" or he changed the last word. The result on Andres had an incriminating writeup, but the end line said "not an usurper". My write up is not incriminating...a healing priest who is voluntarily a common man. FH visited me and stole a healing potion.

After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction.

Yes, I suppose it would be rather confusing with parts of your intro pm cut out.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I doubt Reenk would send you my role PM after your death. That just seems game breaking.

On the one hand, TinCow's "source" is himself, on the other hand, if what he said was false you should be able to do more than "doubt".

[TinCow]

Either TinCow hasn't properly explained who his character thinks is "guilty" or he changed the last word. The result on Andres had an incriminating writeup, but the end line said "not an usurper". My write up is not incriminating...a healing priest who is voluntarily a common man. FH visited me and stole a healing potion.

The result on Andres came from a different investigator, not me. I've said this many times. As for you not being guilty, you've already spilled the beans on that one...

And you gave me information, hence proving me point...

Now that my only recruit has been lynched I'm solidly pro-town

You had a recruit, therefore you recruited. You are NOW "solidly pro-town" which means you were not beforehand. Beforehand, you were up to something nasty.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You had a recruit, therefore you recruited. You are NOW "solidly pro-town" which means you were not beforehand. Beforehand, you were up to something nasty.

Even in death you are still a recruit of the evil healing cult TinCow. Carry on, but remember that...you cannot escape your past!

[TinCow]

Was your recruit's name Robert Paulson?

[FactionHeir]

That and you were clad in white and had performed a night action that day (you came back late)

[Jolt]

Was your recruit's name Robert Paulson?