OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Iskander 3.1]

Hey! That's from Meet the Spartans!

[SwissBarbar]

I would say you have to much time on your hands, but ill just give you these instead...

why too much time, it took 20 seconds to make this

hey, actually we only had to skip the building queue in Rome and Arretium, and would be able to build the MIC for Pedited Extraordinarii in Rome...

[The Celtic Viking]

jeeezus...getting so outta hand, as if we already dont have enough things that will require console use what with the family finances, events etc.

Huh? How does disbanding units require console commands?

TCV, you say that like in WotB we disband our armies??? They get experience all the time no one debates it there, i dont see how that is any different in BtSH.

Rome is the easiest faction in the game, and there's no challenge from the outside even without overpowered legions running around all over the place. With them you might as well just save time and force_diplomacy all the settlements right now.

It's not quite the same with the AS, and so there's been no problem with this in WotB. The day there is, I will take it up there too.

While I'm already writing, I might as well answer bean too...

Sounds a bit of a random test..is this for the army?

Hell no. The army and I don't mix very well, because me and taking orders don't mix very well. I'm kind of an anarchist in that sense.

This test was, by the way, not "random", but more "extensive" to check your general knowledges. It was also very exhausting on my mind. My head is dead.

[navarro951]

This test was, by the way, not "random", but more "extensive" to check your general knowledges. It was also very exhausting on my mind. My head is dead.

That would be like the States ASVAB test ya?

and i meant console use as in the whole spawn new units to RP that they are now more experienced (hastati to principes and so on)...i think someone else raised this question not you my bad.

[The Celtic Viking]

No worries then, mate.

I've never heard of the ASVAB test before, but looking at it briefly on Wikipedia, I guess it's kinda like that, yeah. I just wish they hadn't started with the math and logic right in the morning.

[navarro951]

No worries then, mate.

I've never heard of the ASVAB test before, but looking at it briefly on Wikipedia, I guess it's kinda like that, yeah. I just wish they hadn't started with the math and logic right in the morning.

haha i had the same feelings, but i did very well.

[SwissBarbar]

What is now about to happen to Legio II...? Please enlighten me.

[everyone]

things are rather dead here...

[Potocello]

yah, ive noticed that too everyone :/

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah we have to deal with whole army comander thing, get it done and move on. right now we seem to be in a slump.

[everyone]

that should be done quick.
it's not interesting if we bicker over how should command should be given and taken over IC and OOC.
heck if some people are crazy enough, they'll declare past instances of transferring command all invalid since they are decided by a simple statement by navarro, then a few agreeing, then it being implemented.

[SwissBarbar]

which all does not answer my question. I'd like to see some progress

[navarro951]

that should be done quick.
it's not interesting if we bicker over how should command should be given and taken over IC and OOC.
heck if some people are crazy enough, they'll declare past instances of transferring command all invalid since they are decided by a simple statement by navarro, then a few agreeing, then it being implemented.

sorta, but its not really MY call, its the senates you know; if you guys are okay with it ya sure i could just ya you you and you the end.

[Potocello]

why not just set up a poll with the available candidates or just pick based on seniority...

[navarro951]

why not just set up a poll with the available candidates or just pick based on seniority...

ya most likely this will be the turn out.

[navarro951]

Guys i just got an email, BtSH has now received 4 reported messages by mods, BE CAREFUL AS TO WHAT WE SAY HERE. FROM NOW ON I WANT NO MORE CURSING EVEN IF ITS ***d OUT!

[navarro951]

LEGION orders are in my SOT!

[Potocello]

sounds good navarro. i have to wait to take the save until tomorrow around 3:00, i really have to go to bed.

[navarro951]

no prob, although i will be ending the save a second time today to make up fer 2morrow want me to make your move 4 u?

[Potocello]

sure that would be great, thanks.

[mini]

But it can take ages to build an army...if we needed one quick, it could be a problem.

That's just the point..We're playign ROME..

the EASIEST faction in the game with an AI that's too retarded to mount a decent attack..

Some ppl in here do want a game that throws challenges to us. But the AI alone won't present us challenges. That is why it is up to us, to allow the AI to catch us off guard..


I have posted my 2 new rules in the Curia, so they're explained there.
Navarro: the whole disband thing doesnt count for House Legions, only provincial legions.

We now have 5 legions?

Legio V is just created, they can serve a few sessions more.
So Legio I & II may be disbanded now and recreated this sessions
III & IV nex session etc..


We dont have to do them all in 1 session.. Hell we surely do not do that.

And it's not confusing or hard work for anyone.
Just mention in the librabry or campus martius, which date the legion was created.
12 years later: return to italy and disband + recreate.


Concerning the merging thing: thats not hard either:
legion commander requests a certain unit. CoF recruits it in the nearest possible city and ships the unit towards wherever the legion is (by normal transport means).
Once the new unit arrived, the commander merges the unit and disbands the leftovers.

Really, no big of deal.
It creaties difficulties for us, agreed. But someone has to create them, the AI wont.
And for now, you may think we are not rich enough. Which is fine, cuz we prolly aren't. BUT THAT GIVES US THE CHALLENGE to work with what we got.

Besides, once we capture Greece, we're rolling in money and there will be even less challenge.


For this I ask navarro to consider the rules. It's not about realism (well it's a nice bonus) but it's about creating a game which can offer us challenges and problems to conquer.


If we don't, all we will do for the remainder of the game, is hold ellections and steamroll over Europe..

[/Bean\]

You want to disband the Legio II just as Epirus begins to counter attack? I'm afraid I cannot agree that legions should be disbanded during a war when no replacement force is sent to keep the area safe.

[navarro951]

You want to disband the Legio II just as Epirus begins to counter attack? I'm afraid I cannot agree that legions should be disbanded during a war when no replacement force is sent to keep the area safe.

technically, Beans right, its part of the rule i made anyway if you look at it. That Legions, after a period of 9 years (which im changing to 12) unless they are desperately needed on the front, are to return to an Italia city for a time of leave. A "rotation of command" will be used once they depart for campaign again.

[mini]

"for a leave"

Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

[SwissBarbar]

Don't worry, my character is such a great speaker (according to his traits), that he could convince a state of ants march into the trunk of an anteater.

With a great speech he could persuade the men of the necessity to go back to Epeiros. Since they earn more money in the Legion than at home they willingly followed the commander, aside whom they had fought many victorious battles, knowing that they would be recognised as heroes back home.

[navarro951]

"for a leave"

Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.

[mini]

psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.

I am not saying you gave the order to disband, you already clarified that.

I am also not saying that Legio II shouldnt be send back now.


All that I am saying, is that from the next session onward, the 2 rules I posted in the curia, should be taken into account.

So that in the future, when difficulties like this arise, it will be clear what to do.

for example:

somewhere during session 1 we create Legio A.
Is it in the first half of 6 turns between session 1 and 2, this year will count, otherwise we start counting from session 2. (for the example, lets take turn 3 after the first session was concluded.)

This would mean that:
session 1: decision to create
inbetween session 1 & 2 we create
session 2: legion A now served 1 session
Session 3: Legion now served 2 sessions
Session 4: Legion now served 3 sessions and should be disbanded when save turn if frozen for congressional session 4


This means that Legio A should during the 4th congressional session be disbanded.
During congressional session 4 we can (and should) commission the legion A to be reformed.

After 4th session is closed, we can create the new units for Legion A, and the cyclus repeats:
session 4: created
inbetween 4 and 5 we create
session 5: 1st served
session 6: second served
session 7: 3rd served and disbanded when session 7 starts voting again.


Only thing you need to do is:
1) keep track of the last session of the legion (easily done in library)
2) the old CoF will have to check and disband any legion whose 3 terms are over
3) the newly elected CoF must create the new units for the legion


It really isnt complicated.
For the current situation, these rules aren't in effect, as the situation i described above will be osmething voted in the next session and therefore doesnt apply right now :)

[everyone]

what is the point of all this bickering mini? just because we can get some 'historical accuracy'? or because we can give the AI a chance?

nonsense!

even the other mega PBMs don't do that; if we are to stick with historical accuracy, this game would get boring; if we keep changing our legions and stuff, it would also get boring from the amount of marching around and move_character-ing we have to do, and keeping track of every legion's progress.
you may counter this argument by making an exaggerated statement like "then we might as well let everybody be consuls" or "well let's just create a hundred legions and steamroll everything". but that's also absurd. there needs to be balance between historical accuracy and making the game playable, without making it too slow or fast; and that should in the end be decided by the GM, for navarro's probably the one who knows what this game should be.

and it's the CoL who does disbanding and such, not the CoF.

[mini]

what is the point of all this bickering mini? just because we can get some 'historical accuracy'? or because we can give the AI a chance?

nonsense!

even the other mega PBMs don't do that; if we are to stick with historical accuracy, this game would get boring; if we keep changing our legions and stuff, it would also get boring from the amount of marching around and move_character-ing we have to do, and keeping track of every legion's progress.
you may counter this argument by making an exaggerated statement like "then we might as well let everybody be consuls" or "well let's just create a hundred legions and steamroll everything". but that's also absurd. there needs to be balance between historical accuracy and making the game playable, without making it too slow or fast; and that should in the end be decided by the GM, for navarro's probably the one who knows what this game should be.

and it's the CoL who does disbanding and such, not the CoF.

Wow, why direct this to me? I'm not the only one askign for those 2 rules....
Just because I voiced them and now defend them doesn't mean this is my issue alone.

all this marching? Consider we will have provincial legions soon, and it won't be much longer until troops can be recruited in those provinces. So there will be not a lot of marching.
In fact, I even said they can be disbanded in any region that is roman territory.
Shipping the new legion is an logistical challenge, which will keep our expansion in check.
What's the use in conquering across the Hellespont if we can't even recruit units in greece?
That must be prevented..

Keeping track of legions? WOW, HUUUUGE EFFORT..
Upon creation: mention in the library or campus martius: Legion I -created sessions x-

At every freeze of save game, one of the consuls needs to check this, and act accordingly..
hohoho... huge effort and VERY complicated indeed...


And again, these rules are not for realism.
And they will not make the game too slow. Besides, with the current playerbase, we can't grow too big anyway.

[everyone]

I'll not hurl some manure back at you for now.
until those terms are properly defined in the FAQ/rules. because all these concepts are still very vague. we're half stuck between the old rules and the new rules.