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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good View Post
    They felt the tax was unfair, which is part and parcell with not being represented.

    Meanwhile, the loyalists are wondering why the tar and feathering of the Crown's tax agents, the destruction of national tea, and obviously open rebellion do not fall under "anarchy or mob mentality."
    An unfair tax and being taxed without representation are two different things.

    No, it was not anarchy or mob mentality (at least not completely) because the rebellion was an organized effort where the states came together, formed a Congress, a government based on the Articles of Confederation and an army to present themselves as an independent entity, able to defend themselves. Then, when the Articles of Confederation were breaking down after the war had ended, they manged to build an even more solid government and instead of the Federalists and Anti-Federalists breaking out in all chaos over the Constitution, they worked things out in the end and compromised (they wrote towards each other!), which is how the Bill of Rights was presented and ratified into the Constitution.

    Did things get out of control on the individual level toward some key loyalists, sure but thats hardly something that can be stopped, especially when you have millions of pissed off people wanting to do something.
    If you think that is anarchy, tell me how you think the country could have been formed with more civility.
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    When the Spanish monarch wants to introduce a 10% income ta-

    10%??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    When the Spanish monarch wants to introduce a 10% income ta-

    10%??????
    It was more like a value added tax, IIRC.

    I sometimes sympathise with people who rise up against their respective governments, but I don't think there's any "right to revolution" because I don't believe in natural law in general. Governments don't recognise the right to revolution and neither do they have any reason to. I wouldn't want my (relatively democratic) government taking a soft stance on sedition or treason either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    An unfair tax and being taxed without representation are two different things.

    No, it was not anarchy or mob mentality (at least not completely) because the rebellion was an organized effort where the states came together, formed a Congress, a government based on the Articles of Confederation and an army to present themselves as an independent entity, able to defend themselves. Then, when the Articles of Confederation were breaking down after the war had ended, they manged to build an even more solid government and instead of the Federalists and Anti-Federalists breaking out in all chaos over the Constitution, they worked things out in the end and compromised (they wrote towards each other!), which is how the Bill of Rights was presented and ratified into the Constitution.

    Did things get out of control on the individual level toward some key loyalists, sure but thats hardly something that can be stopped, especially when you have millions of pissed off people wanting to do something.
    If you think that is anarchy, tell me how you think the country could have been formed with more civility.
    Umm, well, wouldn't you say that Britain rather deserved those taxes? Since Britain had just spent a massive amount of money defending the colonies? Ro be honest, it was only avery small amount of money and the colonists all owed their land to the Crown.
    In my view, the men whom formed the Congress were nothing more than middle class wigs who saw an opportunity and took it, thus why they used such absurdly high minded language, to hide the fact that they were base opportunists.
    And in some regions of America, it was nothing but bloody mindedness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar View Post
    Umm, well, wouldn't you say that Britain rather deserved those taxes? Since Britain had just spent a massive amount of money defending the colonies? Ro be honest, it was only avery small amount of money and the colonists all owed their land to the Crown.
    In my view, the men whom formed the Congress were nothing more than middle class wigs who saw an opportunity and took it, thus why they used such absurdly high minded language, to hide the fact that they were base opportunists.
    And in some regions of America, it was nothing but bloody mindedness.
    The causes of the revolution were many, what it boiled down to was fear among the Americans that britain would descend into tyranny as had several other countries in that time period.

    The whiskey tax, though unfair, was not reason enough for rebellion, no more so than the stamp tax alone would have been.

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