Just how messed up is Israel?

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-12-2009, 23:10

Originally Posted by Hax

Well sure, look at the random bombing of non-military targets during the Gaza war.

I'll let someone else rip this apart...

Then I have nothing to say in return. To each his own opinion.

If you can't honour a military alliance you may as well not have any at all.

I would also like the see the responses if I should take a signature picture which has a Hamas soldier with a Palestinian flag in the background.

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a huge variety of nations, and should be treated as such by Orgahs if it was displayed in a signature. If you want a Palestinian flag, so be it, that is no different than having any other flag in your signature.

**Hax** · 04-12-2009, 23:14

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a huge variety of nations, and should be treated as such by Orgahs if it was displayed in a signature. If you want a Palestinian flag, so be it, that is no different than having any other flag in your signature.

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

I'll let someone else rip this apart...

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields. Is Hamas now using the earth against Israel? How about the destruction of the planned harbour of Gaza?

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-12-2009, 23:19

Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Obviously it was blowing up Palestinian orphans. In a petting zoo. A petting zoo of kittens and puppies. Adorable ones.

I would personally love to visit the Palestinian petting zoo, which is next to the Palestinian marshmallow mountain, on the corner of gumdrop lane.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-12-2009, 23:27

Originally Posted by Hax

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

Of course they weren't. There is not a country in the world, from Liechtenstein to the United States, that can claim to be perfectly legitimate. However, there is a difference between a legitimate state and a terrorist organization.

When even the EU calls Hamas terrorists, you can be pretty sure that they are.

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields.

I have not seen the documentary in question, and as a result I do not know why the spring was bombed, where it was located, when it was bombed, or who was using it. I could also not identify the spin in the documentary. Regardless, you can be sure that Israel did not bomb it for fun. Bombs cost too much money to do that.

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

Every state has problems, and Israel certainly does as well, but to say that it is "messed up", which is apparently proven by the fact that we are "having these discussions" is silly. If Israel was "messed up", and that was proven, then there wouldn't be two sides to these arguments.

**Sheogorath** · 04-12-2009, 23:43

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I would personally love to visit the Palestinian petting zoo, which is next to the Palestinian marshmallow mountain, on the corner of gumdrop lane.

Too bad. The Israeli's blew those up too.

**Hax** · 04-12-2009, 23:45

I have not seen the documentary in question, and as a result I do not know why the spring was bombed, where it was located, when it was bombed, or who was using it. I could also not identify the spin in the documentary. Regardless, you can be sure that Israel did not bomb it for fun. Bombs cost too much money to do that.

Yes, and incidentally, as soon as the Israelis start to bomb something, the European nations will jump in and give them money to rebuilt the stuff they just bombed. Also, doesn't the state of Israel receive millions if not billions of dollars each year from the United States. It's not really as if they have to be careful with their money.

Too bad. The Israeli's blew those up too.

Aww, man. That's a shame.

**Pannonian** · 04-13-2009, 00:06

Originally Posted by Hax

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

By Middle East standards, Israel is as westernised as they get. By western standards, Israel is an alien country. It depends on what standards one judges Israel by. Probably as good an ally as one can find in the region for our interests, but certainly not something to model a western country on.

**tibilicus** · 04-13-2009, 00:15

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Your signature has a man with a vulture on his head. You must endorse eating rotting corpses, right?

No, because my signature isn't related to war and isn't suggestive that im a fan of or down with the Israeli/American military. Nor does it suggest that I support their actions. That's a poor comparison you made. I'm disappointed..

And if that sigs ok with you then I guess it's ok if I change my sig image to this. http://themustardseed.files.wordpres...as_war0402.jpg

I have another one with some civilians in a cross hair but apparently the Israeli military stole it for their new t.shirts..

Anyway back on topic, as I said earlier I have no problem with hooahguys sig, but I can see why some people might. If you can't see why some people find it offensive then it's your failure to see that. Now, as I mentioned, I don't find it offensive, I'm simply stating why some people would find it offensive, clear?

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-13-2009, 00:19

Originally Posted by tibilicus

No, because my signature isn't related to war and isn't suggestive that im a fan with the Israeli/American military nor that I support their actions. Nor does it suggest where my political views are coming from. I though you were a clever man, you surprise me...

So only things that are related to war are bad? Being a fan of the IDF or US Army is a bad thing? Really? I find it offensive that you endorse the consumption of carrion, but hey, if it isn't related to war, that must be alright.

And if that sigs ok with you then I guess it's ok if I change my sig image to this. http://themustardseed.files.wordpres...as_war0402.jpg

I have explained the difference.

Your a man of freedom and all that so that's cool right?

It is perfectly OK for you to have it, but you will receive criticism and you will deserve it more than hooah.

**tibilicus** · 04-13-2009, 00:24

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

It is perfectly OK for you to have it, but you will receive criticism and you will deserve it more than hooah.

Oh really? Surley that depends what view point you perceive it from? As you said about the Israeli/American sig is it not ok to be a fan of hamas?

Also I never said I'm going to put that in my sig, I never would, just wondering how you would feel if I did. I'm assuming though that as you don't find images of war offensive it's ok. And yet you can't understand why people do find such images offensive?

Hmmm...

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-13-2009, 00:39

Originally Posted by tibilicus

Oh really? Surley that depends what view point you perceive it from? As you said about the Israeli/American sig is it not ok to be a fan of hamas?

Hamas = Terrorist Organization
America =/= Terrorist Organization

Simple.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 04-13-2009, 00:43

I am just gonna throw this out here, I hope no one gets offended but...

Stuff in the Middle East is getting seriously messed up.

Just my insight.

**tibilicus** · 04-13-2009, 00:49

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Hamas = Terrorist Organization
America =/= Terrorist Organization

Simple.

So there both terrorist organizations? Now I'm confused.

I think this topics gone way of from my original point which was about Israels new justice scheme..

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-13-2009, 00:51

Originally Posted by tibilicus

So there both terrorist organizations? Now I'm confused.

= means equals.
=/= means does not equal.

**Hooahguy** · 04-13-2009, 01:26

Originally Posted by KarlXII

Images of soldiers and destruction with a combined US/Israeli flag raised some of my eyebrows.

well, actually, ill be joining the IDF in about 2 years, so....
the US soldier pic i did not choose, but i thought it looked cool.
no mods have approached me about it, plus tosa said flags in your sig can be the flags of your country. since i have dual citizenship, no problems here.

cheers!

**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-13-2009, 01:29

There are pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel people here, and both should be free to express their viewpoint in a civil manner. I have no issue with flags of any nation, even nations hostile to the united states. This is an international forum, and my personal grievances with Palestine have no place here.